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 Kanluwen wrote:

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.

Did they say what happened to the rest of the system planets?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
I've said it before, but GW could get away with doing every guard regiment with a minimum of 5 unique kits per regiment.
-Obligatory special character.
-Command squad
-Infantry squad
-Heavy Weapon squad
-Veteran/Spec Wep. duel box

That covers all your bases from top to bottom. Everything vehicle and specialist wise, is generic across regiments. Hell if they did it right, you could get away with 3 kits per regiment by providing enough gubbinz and weapons to make up the vets and SWS throughout the other kits.

40/50 new SKUs to the range and you'd cover: Steel Legion, Praetorians, Cadians, Catachans, DKoK, Mordians, Tallarn, Attilans (substitute the HWS for RR), Valhallans, Vostroyans all without any gaps.

I think you can cut that down to two, maybe three kits per Regiment by being a bit clever by it, and embracing modularity - so GW wouldn't do this.

- Universal Heavy Weapon sprue/box - like the current one, this just features the weapons themselves, including tripods, etc. No HW crew included, however.
- Command squad per Regiment - if a Regiment is going to have a SC, this includes that model as an alt-build, in the same way Nork Deddog crops up in the Ogryn box.
- Infantry squad per Regiment - includes all Special Weapons, and a lasgun option for the Sergeant.
- Veteran squad per Regiment - I'm less convinced by this one, but it could be an option, especially if not every Regiment gets the same thing. Kasrkin for Cadians being a good example of an alt-Veteran unit.

The Command and Infantry squad boxes could then include the parts for a HWT, minus the weapons themselves. I'd ideally include a HW sprue in the Infantry squad box myself, but I could see why people might prefer a cheaper IS box, then buy however many HW sprues they need as and when they need them.

I'm pretty sure previous background for the Attilan Rough Riders indicated they only raised RR regiments, so they'd get that instead of an IS box, along with the possibility of a mounted Command Squad box - maybe including the parts for a mounted Commissar?

This is all nice and all but what I think GW might do short term is make regiments being specific units.

So Cadians are your baseline troopers, with Kasrkin as an Elite.
Death korps are Veterans.
Attilans are rough riders.
Maybe they come up with something special for Catachans (like they had shotguns in DOW2, GW might refresh them as a CC and short ranged squad).

Other regiments might get sprinkled in when GW is in the mood to do so. Some Tallarn tank or recruits at some point, some Vostroyan heavy armoured guys at another.
I don't see GW putting out core units for all the regiments, the Guard is not Space Marines. But at some point in the future there might be a special box for every famous regiment that you can also kitbash/ convert to make your baseline troopers with them.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.

Did they say what happened to the rest of the system planets?

They seem to be mostly intact:

Lexicanum wrote:Although Cadia was ultimately reduced to a burning wasteland by Abaddon's assault, the worlds in the wider Cadian System fought hard to destroy the spearhead the Despoiler had plunged into their midst. The Great Exodus of Cadia had seen swathes of the Imperial defence redeployed to the sister worlds.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:

Geifer wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.

As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.

True, but Cadia is blowed up. I'd rather they gave us something different but evoking the old look.

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.

There are going to be a lot of Cadians/Cadian descendants out there. We know the Brimlock Dragoons for example follow a lot of Cadian patterning, having been founded by Cadian soldiery.

Right, sure. But what I'm saying is Cadia is blowed up. Here's an opportunity to refresh the range.

I thought it was an asteroid belt, not a wasteland...

 Pyroalchi wrote:
The only reason I could imagine would be that the current Sentinels are too close in look to the Star Wars Walkers and they (for some reason) want something more unique looking.

I seriously doubt that's the case, given the Squats are one big ripoff of Stacraft's Terrans thus far.

 Olthannon wrote:

Right, sure. But what I'm saying is Cadia is blowed up. Here's an opportunity to refresh the range.

And what I'm saying is Cadians aren't going anywhere. They always made such a big deal about how there are entire planets whose production output is stuff for Cadia's war effort.

That gear isn't just going to get thrown out because "Cadia was destroyed".

Additionally, that Cadian upgrade frame we saw last year?
It's designed for a new kit, per some more reliable accounts.

Attilan rough riders are not... what I would wish for but fingers crossed for some fun models regardless!.

This remake of the sentinel business has me nervous as well, it's one of those iconic kits that even drew me into the universe of 40K. Sure it's a *bit* close to Star Wars but in the best possible way imo.

Remaking the kit with poseable legs, weaponry and added details and options would be a dream (exposed rollcage, armored plates, parachutes, stowage, cargo, even some bits to fit it in with Necromunda Ash Wastes etc etc) but this is Nottingham's finest we're talking about so it'll be none of that

Nice to see the Rough Riders are on the way. They are a welcome return if just for the silliness of squishy humans on horses riding into power armoured super humans.

Not sure about the new sentinel though as I've a fondness for the current kit and don't really feel it needs much of an update. However I like the fact it can simply be a different pattern of sentinel for those of us who don't need anymore. More I wish they had put resources in other places, like a new Griffon or Salamander.

Very pleased with the Kasrkin as they will make excellent special weapons and veterans. Needed something distinct from the Scion which are special ops.

Garrac wrote:
Nothing about new regular guard boxes? AM really needs women models in the army (I mean, modern KT traitor HAS women models)

It would be fething hilarious that Chaos becomes more feminist than the Imperium

Chaos IS more inclusive!

A lot of this seems at least somewhat reasonable considering I think about 2/3 of the items listed were part of that reliable rumor from last year.

On Kasrkin, neat, and man it will be an amusing thing wherein the GW official price of probably 60 or 65$ for 10, or 40$ for 5, will actually be cheaper than the current ebay prices for the metals.

Not sure how keen I am on Lady Creed. On the one hand I like the idea of the badass daughter of the former commander taking charge, but on the other it feels like it makes the universe smaller if the next leader of the Cadians is just the guy's daughter. Kind of like how in Star Wars everything needs to tie in to the Skywalker family in some way shape or form. So cool in concept, and so long as we don't also see Yarrick Jr running around with the nephew of Straken while Pask the Younger is driving his father's tank, I can live with it.

It will be nice to see Rough Riders come along again, even if I don't end up getting any. Just having the rules will be nice, I bought a box of those Fantasy deer riders like 5 years ago to do a conversion project and then promptly forgot about them entirely. A return of the unit might make me actually dust off that project.

And it will be nice to have more than one Commissar again, even if I have the book reader already. The old metals have far more character to them than the current one. Hopefully this one will have options beyond swapping one gun for another.

Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.

It would make a lot of sense, considering being an orphan, for him to select a favoured underling to be his successor in name and position. Also set up down the line a plot line where daughter Creed finds her 'father' and more models are made.

It makes even more sense for an aspiring officer to cloak themselves, literally, in the trappings of someone who effectively was treated as a kind of demigod of war by their homeworld.

For me, the whole release seems sus, but here's a few points.

1. This was just what he saw out of a single picture. The Rogal Dorn wasn't in this picture, but is rumored in other places.

2. This does match up with the earlier rumors that (aside from chaos bikers and a one or two other things) have been spot on. Those were:

"Astra Militarum with veteran-style Cadians. Two new regiments are also in the works. New Kasrkin and new vehicle, designed to fit between the Leman Russ and the Baneblade.'"

So, again, there could be more we haven't seen.

3. For all we know, the Sentinel that he saw could be a totally different vehicle. A Primaris Sentinel, if you will. Unsure.

4. A lot of these kits, many guard players have TONS of. With a release like this, they're likely hoping to attract more new players than old.

 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective

The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.

It would make a lot of sense, considering being an orphan, for him to select a favoured underling to be his successor in name and position. Also set up down the line a plot line where daughter Creed finds her 'father' and more models are made.

Or for Creed to be secretly hiding a daughter in reserves, only to have her show up at exactly the right time to turn the tides of victory.

Classic Creed: Tactical Genius!

Rough Riders, with new option to have a second back seat rider with a sniper rifle would be really cool, eh?

Anyway, I really hope they dont mess up Sentinels. I love sentinels and usually field a couple in spite of their less than stellar rules.
I was thrilled to see actual rules for the chain saw in the current dex. The way GW write weapons these days, the saw will be ace once the new dex arrive

 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective

The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.

That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.

The first thing in the video he's on about is "confirm new guard...", "The Rogal Dorn is Confirmed", "I can confirm I have seen"....that's not what confirmation means.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective

The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.

I think more AT-ST, but - it's never unwise to remove the House of Mouse an opening to pull a Chapterhouse.

Maybe we'll see them return to the old model:

 Stormonu wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective

The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.

I think more AT-ST, but - it's never unwise to remove the House of Mouse an opening to pull a Chapterhouse.

Maybe we'll see them return to the old model:

This actually kind of resembles the description he gave, with a more 'pod-like' admech appearance and a higher mounted weapon (though still on the side). I guess we'll see!

I wouldn't have said the Sentinel was a kit that needed redoing. Except for how hard it is to get the legs lined up, of course

 Slinky wrote:
I wouldn't have said the Sentinel was a kit that needed redoing. Except for how hard it is to get the legs lined up, of course

That's why you just give 'em kicky legs. One on the ground, the other dancing.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Pyroalchi wrote:
The only reason I could imagine would be that the current Sentinels are too close in look to the Star Wars Walkers and they (for some reason) want something more unique looking.

I seriously doubt that's the case, given the Squats are one big ripoff of Stacraft's Terrans thus far.

AT-STs hold two crewmen (with room in the cockpit for one or even two others to squeeze in); they have a gun on each side and a mandible twin-linked gun- pure las with no optional load out; legs are 2-2.5 x the height of the cabin and they have no exhaust stacks. The similarity is that both are armless, two-legged walkers.

As for Squats and Starcraft: are you suggesting that the thing invented in 1987 pulled a Michael J Fox and went Back to the Future to copy the thing that was invented in 1998, or is it just the NuSquats that you think borrow from Starcraft? And are we talking fluff or just asthetics? And if it's just asthetics, do all the other Space Dwarves in power armour also rip off Starcraft? Or are they just ripping of GW, who ripped off Starcraft?

Don't get me wrong: 40k borrows from A LOT of sources, for sure.

But I think as many sources borrow from it.

Personally, I subscribe to Jung's theory of Archetypes, so really ALL art is derivative on some level. There's a Merlin, an Arthur, a Lancelot and a Gwenivere in almost every story ever told.

The sentinel description actually suggests to me a conversion.

Make them all like the middle one and it is just converted killa kans.

 kurhanik wrote:
A lot of this seems at least somewhat reasonable considering I think about 2/3 of the items listed were part of that reliable rumor from last year.

On Kasrkin, neat, and man it will be an amusing thing wherein the GW official price of probably 60 or 65$ for 10, or 40$ for 5, will actually be cheaper than the current ebay prices for the metals.

Not sure how keen I am on Lady Creed. On the one hand I like the idea of the badass daughter of the former commander taking charge, but on the other it feels like it makes the universe smaller if the next leader of the Cadians is just the guy's daughter. Kind of like how in Star Wars everything needs to tie in to the Skywalker family in some way shape or form. So cool in concept, and so long as we don't also see Yarrick Jr running around with the nephew of Straken while Pask the Younger is driving his father's tank, I can live with it.

It will be nice to see Rough Riders come along again, even if I don't end up getting any. Just having the rules will be nice, I bought a box of those Fantasy deer riders like 5 years ago to do a conversion project and then promptly forgot about them entirely. A return of the unit might make me actually dust off that project.

And it will be nice to have more than one Commissar again, even if I have the book reader already. The old metals have far more character to them than the current one. Hopefully this one will have options beyond swapping one gun for another.

Gws obsession with named characters and the hobbyists appetite to lap it all make the universe seem smaller.

The sentinel shape has vastly varied since the early days of metal kits. I like the second edition sentinel the most : it has a reasonably sized cabin, beefy legs with hydraulic pistons like a construction machine, and chunky feet for better stability. Here is what a V2 looks like :



Pretty different from the V3 plastic model right ? The V2 version has much better balance : it can stand up even without a base, unlike the V3 which is irrealistically front heavy. With the hinge of the legs disposed at the rear instead of center, and the cabin completely hanging on the front, it always looked very bizzare for me. The odd thing of the V2 model was a bit ridiculous assault cannon, for which no ammunition pack was provided. Since assault cannon is long gone in the Imperial Guard arsenal, I replaced it with a modified laser cannon from a bits supplier.

That one was always utterly comical to me, gigantic, thick legs but no protection for the pilot and no space for the engine

Or for the legs of the pilot.