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Simply Warhammer has a leak video as well where he says he was told that Krieg will feature in the 9th codex and will be getting a 10th edition codex

https://youtu.be/BePpLrvJs8I

He says the source is reliable, but I don't know if anything he's passed on has been verified yet.

Voss wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.

I'm not expecting Guard (or daemons after that) until after Leagues and World Eaters, both of which are officially stated as having 'months' of previews before release (or the release of the 'advance force' in the case of Leagues)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/

The Leagues of Votann are coming to Warhammer 40,000 later this year, but there are still a solid few months to go before we get a good look at their advance force.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/

We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.

While both say 'few months,' obviously LoV was announced about a month before WE, so they're likely first.

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.

Agreed. Though just to add. I think after LoV will be other stuff before WE.
They seem to be very concept stage almost (well sculpting point etc).
More like how they announced Sisters. Or Old World..
So I expect Guard before.

I'd be careful buying too heavily into this.

I've heard of pranksters creating false rumors of new IG as an April Fools prank, even generating fake images to go with it.

I agree with Kid. Look at this year's April Fools. Somebody said that Squats was coming back, and even generated some renders.

M.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.

Back in the day prominent families would very often adopt to keep a line going.

In a techno-medieval society where things like belief in bloodlines are strong, and technology like IVF and cloning are around I would expect that making a Creed Jr (Yarrick Jr etc) would be fairly easy and desirable. Even if not, handing the name to the next person (like how Caeser became the word for Emperor in Rome, and then in Russia and Germany too) would make sense. You don't have time to tell the man the new commander's whole resume, so you say this is the new Pask and go from there.

I buy less into the new regiment boxes then a new codex coming.
Though I do think we will get Kreig.

Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.

 Miguelsan wrote:
I agree with Kid. Look at this year's April Fools. Somebody said that Squats was coming back, and even generated some renders.

M.

I remember that, someone even did some flash animation to fool the gullible.

Disgraceful.

Danny76 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.

I'm not expecting Guard (or daemons after that) until after Leagues and World Eaters, both of which are officially stated as having 'months' of previews before release (or the release of the 'advance force' in the case of Leagues)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/

The Leagues of Votann are coming to Warhammer 40,000 later this year, but there are still a solid few months to go before we get a good look at their advance force.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/

We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.

While both say 'few months,' obviously LoV was announced about a month before WE, so they're likely first.

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.

Agreed. Though just to add. I think after LoV will be other stuff before WE.
They seem to be very concept stage almost (well sculpting point etc).
More like how they announced Sisters. Or Old World..
So I expect Guard before.

I don't think World Eaters are in the early stages anymore. GW outright said so for Sisters, The Old World and just recently for Dawnbringer Cursades in AoS. Showing renders rather than anything tangible is more likely down to the codex being so far in the future that GW doesn't want to show models just yet, but feels obligated to announce the codex so World Eaters fans don't riot at the idea of being downgraded to a White Dwarf list.

I find the volume of model releases all of these are supposed to get interesting. Squats obviously need the release of their full roster similar to how Sisters were handled. World Eaters I expect to be the same, as we know between Death Guard and Thousand Sons how GW wants a legion codex to look like. And Guard seems to be getting quite a few kits as well. All that after a massive push to plasticize Horus Heresy and with those four battletomes also getting released in the second half of the year, of which we know at leasdt Slaves to Darkness gets more than just a clampack character with their book. That's a lot of stuff in not a whole lot of time. Makes me think we won't even see Guard this year and that the army may be a January release instead.

Again regarding the Sentinels: I just had the thought that it might also be that the new kit will really be the just the armored Sentinel (therefore the beefy look) while the old kit (with or without the roof) remains the Scout Sentinel. It would keep the balance between not completely invalidating the Sentinels in our collections while simultanously give an incentive to buy the new one. Especially if it has some new and better rules.

Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.

My retcon sense is tingling.

I like the sentinel and don’t see it as a kit that needs an upgrade but never mind, I hope the atillans aren’t coming back, that’s too much nostalgia. They were a cliche at the time and jarred with anyones army. Some standard looking rough riders would be lovely but I have just converted some deathkorps ones so not too bothered either way.

As for creed not mentioning kids, why would it need to? Just because they haven’t talked of them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Chances are most “human” characters will have off spring.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thing is that Creed never has been mentioned as having a daughter before...but given that he was a war orphan with no real known family, it wouldn't be crazy for his name to become a kind of honorific title in a way amongst the remaining Cadians.

Back in the day prominent families would very often adopt to keep a line going.

In a techno-medieval society where things like belief in bloodlines are strong, and technology like IVF and cloning are around I would expect that making a Creed Jr (Yarrick Jr etc) would be fairly easy and desirable. Even if not, handing the name to the next person (like how Caeser became the word for Emperor in Rome, and then in Russia and Germany too) would make sense. You don't have time to tell the man the new commander's whole resume, so you say this is the new Pask and go from there.

You made me think for a second. What if the Orks used cloning? Took Yarrick's arm and cloned him with a bit of Ork thrown in to boot to make a new Bale Eye .....That would be Kunnin'

They probably would just loot his bionics and put them on a squig or something

Finding out what has happened to Yarrick would be something interesting in the lore section of a new IG codex.

Last seen pursuing Ghaz away from Armageddon with a BT crusade, if I'm not mistaken - and both Ghaz and the BT have reappeared without him...

He was already reaching the end of his life, even before time jump shenanigans started...I'd prefer we just let him drift off.

But people like Yarrick. He's fun.

The saga of the beast plot should have been him and the death watch instead of Ragnar and the wolves.

Could have ended with him using his klaw as a last act of defiance to cut off Thrakka's head and then getting crushed to death.

 Dysartes wrote:
Finding out what has happened to Yarrick would be something interesting in the lore section of a new IG codex.

Last seen pursuing Ghaz away from Armageddon with a BT crusade, if I'm not mistaken - and both Ghaz and the BT have reappeared without him...

Clearly Ghaz sat on top of him by accident.

Six year wait for a codex, a disappearing model line with no replacements in sight nor anything for that matter. And nothing more than baseless speculating from unknown sources telling you to believe them with nothing.

My head canon is that the Emperor's 'chaos gift' equivalent is resilience and unyielding will.

Yarrick, St Celestine, that Crimson Fist dude, Legion of the Damned, all have some version of 'get knocked down but I get up again'.

So a 200-300 year old Yarrick still chasing his white whale appeals to me.

I forget who wrote it but there was a really good Yarrick novella a few years back that turned Yarrick into Captain Ahab and it really worked. Ghaz is tougher, stronger and smarter (yes I went there) than Yarrick but Yarrick will never give up no matter how many men or worlds he must destroy in his quest.

Ghaz knows this, and admires it, and so lets Yarrick live as an 'ommie he respects.

And that is both grimdark and awesome.

So yeah bring on Lady Creed Jr and Pask's nephew and Trooper Slystalone Marbo IV esq, but give me the old man, held together by cyberware, spit and bad temper.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
...that Crimson Fist dude...

Ballerina-Captain Cortez.

I don't think his 3+ invulnerable save was based on his ability to take hits...

I'm with the others thinking this is sus, doesn't entirely jive with what we were told previously by other sources we now know to be reliable and accurate. No mention of Lord Solar Leontus or what he is riding, which is a rumor delivered to us by the verifiably reliable OK_Entrepreneur3004 via reddit.

 Geifer wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.

My retcon sense is tingling.

Mmm.. that only became the case when GW got rid of all the other kits and made an ingame reason for them being lazy bastards. It's a shame because the lore has so many cool regiments out there but it's a hard to create something unique with so few kits available.

A smart thing to do would be to create a standard kit similar to the old RT imperial guard and to have called that the new standard infantry kit alongside the Indomitus Crusade.

Um, that's basically what they did with the Cadian pattern armor?

Is "Cadian" (read: the most mass-produced flak armor design in the galaxy) armor gunna become the new gatekeeping BS that we see coming out of 30k?

If GW decides to make new troop boxes, yay. If they don't, boo. Everyone, every fan of every faction, wants more options rather than less.

If true, the rumors feel like the same way GW is handling Eldar. A big update that updates a bunch of old stuff and gives us a few new things. It's big, but it's incomplete, and will leave room for more later on.

The painful part with Astra Militarum, as it was with Chaos Marines, is the fact that the wait for the new update was so long, and on top of a long wait, it doesn't sound like the complete update that people were hoping for.

Well, here's hoping for the next one, after 3-4 more updates for space marines.

 Olthannon wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.

My retcon sense is tingling.

Mmm.. that only became the case when GW got rid of all the other kits and made an ingame reason for them being lazy bastards. It's a shame because the lore has so many cool regiments out there but it's a hard to create something unique with so few kits available.

Yeah. It's kind of a no model, no fluff deal. A very GW thing to do.

 Olthannon wrote:
A smart thing to do would be to create a standard kit similar to the old RT imperial guard and to have called that the new standard infantry kit alongside the Indomitus Crusade.

As Kanluwen says, we have that. Personally I don't see how it would be desirable to lose the great variety of Guard to a novelty regiment any more than losing it to Cadians. It's the same loss either way and just makes the faction less interesting.

Kanluwen wrote:Um, that's basically what they did with the Cadian pattern armor?

Right and as the kit is close to 20 years old, let's go for a refresh.

Geifer wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Way too much talk of, now Cadia is gone we won’t (or shouldn’t) have that armour any more.
Like it isn’t the most mass produced armour on thousands of worlds now. That’s like standard uniform, whatever colour it is or place they’re from.
Like 80% of Guard in the universe wear that.

My retcon sense is tingling.

Mmm.. that only became the case when GW got rid of all the other kits and made an ingame reason for them being lazy bastards. It's a shame because the lore has so many cool regiments out there but it's a hard to create something unique with so few kits available.

Yeah. It's kind of a no model, no fluff deal. A very GW thing to do.

 Olthannon wrote:
A smart thing to do would be to create a standard kit similar to the old RT imperial guard and to have called that the new standard infantry kit alongside the Indomitus Crusade.

As Kanluwen says, we have that. Personally I don't see how it would be desirable to lose the great variety of Guard to a novelty regiment any more than losing it to Cadians. It's the same loss either way and just makes the faction less interesting.

As I posted way earlier in this thread, yes I would love to see more regiments. It's the main interesting thing about the guard. The Cadians are boring. It's why I keep saying they should do away with them. But I've had Kanluwen up my ass saying the Cadians are here forever.

However, seeing as I don't see GW really giving us multiple options in one kit, then at least a fresh pattern of guard kit would be slightly more interesting than more Cadians.

drbored wrote:
Is "Cadian" (read: the most mass-produced flak armor design in the galaxy) armor gunna become the new gatekeeping BS that we see coming out of 30k?

Probably, which is made all the funnier by some of the Siege of Terra covers literally having that Cadian style armor on them. :-D



Personally, I almost bought Mortis just because I love that expression of "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS NONSENSE?!" on the one soldier.


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 Olthannon wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Um, that's basically what they did with the Cadian pattern armor?

Right and as the kit is close to 20 years old, let's go for a refresh.

I'm 100% down for a refresh on the Cadian kit. We've got new art for them that would be aces.

As I posted way earlier in this thread, yes I would love to see more regiments. It's the main interesting thing about the guard. The Cadians are boring. It's why I keep saying they should do away with them. But I've had Kanluwen up my ass saying the Cadians are here forever.

Nah. I've just been saying that their style of gear is likely to stick around. We have a credible rumour of a more "veteran" Cadian kit that is supposed to be more ragged and battleworn.

However, seeing as I don't see GW really giving us multiple options in one kit, then at least a fresh pattern of guard kit would be slightly more interesting than more Cadians.

Did you miss where we got Death Korps?

drbored wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective

The current Sentinel design predates the AT-RT even being a thing.

That sort of detail doesn't matter to a sci-fi franchise that is trying to separate itself from an IP that the dreaded mouse controls.

If GW were at all worried about Disney, they wouldn't have given them the comic license. And unlike Disney, GW actually has proof that Marvel stole their IP if Disney wanted to press the issue.

I like this armour myself. My current project, Mad robot make these nostalgic beauts. Happily see some of these brought back.