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 dan2026 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
So what is the difference between Kasrkin and Scions?

One's cooler.

Which one?

Neither. 2nd Edition Storm Troopers and 3rd Edition ("Inquisitional") Storm Troopers are the cool ones.

I must say I don't follow the criticism about Creed at all. It's one of the few Minis where I was like: wow, that one is really great and full of character. And I rarely feel that way about models that aren't from a faction I collect. Especially the helmeted version looks like... Everything that is 40K.

caladancid wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’re terribly sorry Ms Creed, but you’re just not attractive enough to Weebs, so I’m afraid we can’t have you as the figurehead for Cadia.

I literally choked on my drink laughing at this. Thanks.

I laughed quite hard as well, when I realized she looks like a grey haired Donald Trump.

Cannot unsee.

This is actually really unfortunate. This is a great leap forward for representation, and it is going to get co-opted by that crowd now.

We already have enough trouble with people who like the "Death Korps," if you know what I mean.

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’re terribly sorry Ms Creed, but you’re just not attractive enough to Weebs, so I’m afraid we can’t have you as the figurehead for Cadia.

I literally choked on my drink laughing at this. Thanks.

I laughed quite hard as well, when I realized she looks like a grey haired Donald Trump.

Cannot unsee.

This is actually really unfortunate. This is a great leap forward for representation, and it is going to get co-opted by that crowd now.

We already have enough trouble with people who like the "Death Korps," if you know what I mean.

Or we can behave like adults and not let someone else's enjoyment of a thing detract from our own.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
So what is the difference between Kasrkin and Scions?

Personally, I assume that the Kasrkins will have the same ''Regiment'' keyword as the rest of the regular IG, they'll integrate better than Scions in an army of Guardsmen. That's assuming they treat Kasrkins as generic Grenadiers, and not something entirely unique to Cadia. That better integration, however, comes at the cost of Deepstrike, and quite possibly the possibility to take Hotshot Volleyguns. That also means they can auto wound on 6's.

But that's all speculation/how I would do it.

Kasrkin have been soft-confirmed as Cadian locked units. Seem to also be Scout move rather than Deep Strike.

Enough trouble. Lol, okay.

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’re terribly sorry Ms Creed, but you’re just not attractive enough to Weebs, so I’m afraid we can’t have you as the figurehead for Cadia.

I literally choked on my drink laughing at this. Thanks.

I laughed quite hard as well, when I realized she looks like a grey haired Donald Trump.

Cannot unsee.

This is actually really unfortunate. This is a great leap forward for representation, and it is going to get co-opted by that crowd now.

We already have enough trouble with people who like the "Death Korps," if you know what I mean.

Well now I'm buying her and starting a MCGA army, they will Make Cadia Great Again

I assume that the reintroduction of Kasrkin points to the idea that each regiment might get a "grenadier" type unit at some point in the future, which begs the question of whats going to happen with militarum tempestus. Makes the MT as the supposed "elite of the elite" feel a good bit less elite/special if DKoK Grenadiers and Cadian Kasrkin get the same kit and comparable statlines/rules.

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’re terribly sorry Ms Creed, but you’re just not attractive enough to Weebs, so I’m afraid we can’t have you as the figurehead for Cadia.

I literally choked on my drink laughing at this. Thanks.

I laughed quite hard as well, when I realized she looks like a grey haired Donald Trump.

Cannot unsee.

This is actually really unfortunate. This is a great leap forward for representation, and it is going to get co-opted by that crowd now.

We already have enough trouble with people who like the "Death Korps," if you know what I mean.

Ugh, yeah, I know, I hate the French too

2x210 wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’re terribly sorry Ms Creed, but you’re just not attractive enough to Weebs, so I’m afraid we can’t have you as the figurehead for Cadia.

I literally choked on my drink laughing at this. Thanks.

I laughed quite hard as well, when I realized she looks like a grey haired Donald Trump.

Cannot unsee.

This is actually really unfortunate. This is a great leap forward for representation, and it is going to get co-opted by that crowd now.

We already have enough trouble with people who like the "Death Korps," if you know what I mean.

Well now I'm buying her and starting a MCGA army, they will Make Cadia Great Again

"We will build a big, beautiful wall to keep Chaos out. Also, I'm increasing conscription. The recruits are needed for the wall."

chaos0xomega wrote:
I assume that the reintroduction of Kasrkin points to the idea that each regiment might get a "grenadier" type unit at some point in the future, which begs the question of whats going to happen with militarum tempestus. Makes the MT as the supposed "elite of the elite" feel a good bit less elite/special if DKoK Grenadiers and Cadian Kasrkin get the same kit and comparable statlines/rules.

MT's are the elite of the elite in the sense that individual Scions are ''basic'' troops of the MT, whereas Kasrkins and Grenadiers are rarer and do no represent the average Guardsman.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

2x210 wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’re terribly sorry Ms Creed, but you’re just not attractive enough to Weebs, so I’m afraid we can’t have you as the figurehead for Cadia.

I literally choked on my drink laughing at this. Thanks.

I laughed quite hard as well, when I realized she looks like a grey haired Donald Trump.

Cannot unsee.

This is actually really unfortunate. This is a great leap forward for representation, and it is going to get co-opted by that crowd now.

We already have enough trouble with people who like the "Death Korps," if you know what I mean.

Well now I'm buying her and starting a MCGA army, they will Make Cadia Great Again

"We will build a big, beautiful wall to keep Chaos out. Also, I'm increasing conscription. The recruits are needed for the wall."

"Its going to be a beautiful thing. Tremendous. And we're going to win bigly."

chaos0xomega wrote:
I assume that the reintroduction of Kasrkin points to the idea that each regiment might get a "grenadier" type unit at some point in the future, which begs the question of whats going to happen with militarum tempestus. Makes the MT as the supposed "elite of the elite" feel a good bit less elite/special if DKoK Grenadiers and Cadian Kasrkin get the same kit and comparable statlines/rules.

By "grenadier" I take it you mean a special unit (or more) that is specific to a particular regiment, and not actual Stormtrooper equivalents? It doesn't make much sense for Catachans to have those, for instance. All that carapace armor messes with your ability to show off your killer abs.

 Sotahullu wrote:
I actually like this Creed (although helmet is goofy).

That helmet tho. I only think of Hans Georg Schultz. Every. Time.

It's perfect.

So I have to say, I am really impressed with the models thus far. I was hoping for Catachans, but plastic anything for the guard will be welcomed and a new Sentinel is great. The old ones were...not that great looking in my opinion. The rotary grenade launcher is just aces and will fit right into my Catachans!

I was hoping for a whole new style of guardsmen rather than "lol, Cadians" again, but I suppose they didn't want to leave the Cadians hanging.

 Togusa wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
I actually like this Creed (although helmet is goofy).

That helmet tho. I only think of Hans Georg Schultz. Every. Time.

It's perfect.

So I have to say, I am really impressed with the models thus far. I was hoping for Catachans, but plastic anything for the guard will be welcomed and a new Sentinel is great. The old ones were...not that great looking in my opinion. The rotary grenade launcher is just aces and will fit right into my Catachans!

"Cadia Broken? I see nothing, NOTHING!"

Although I was hoping for totally new minis as well. I do like this new kit the Cadians have on, it looks easier to convert into another regiment.

Whatever happened to the rumour of "2 other regiments and minis etc" is that still missing alongside the tank?

There must be more models yet to be shown because there's definitely Rough Riders from that rumour engine.

 Olthannon wrote:
Although I was hoping for totally new minis as well. I do like this new kit the Cadians have on, it looks easier to convert into another regiment.

Whatever happened to the rumour of "2 other regiments and minis etc" is that still missing alongside the tank?

There must be more models yet to be shown because there's definitely Rough Riders from that rumour engine.

I am guessing this was a super early leak, similar to the Horus Heresy box last summer. I wouldn't expect to see guard launch for preorder anytime before October 2022 at the earliest.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I was hoping for a whole new style of guardsmen rather than "lol, Cadians" again, but I suppose they didn't want to leave the Cadians hanging.

The long and accurate rumour list states there will be two other regiments released (might have even meant new but idk, equally could have meant classics rereleased).

 Olthannon wrote:
Although I was hoping for totally new minis as well. I do like this new kit the Cadians have on, it looks easier to convert into another regiment.

Whatever happened to the rumour of "2 other regiments and minis etc" is that still missing alongside the tank?

There must be more models yet to be shown because there's definitely Rough Riders from that rumour engine.

They weren't all supposed to come at once.

Also, this:



It's all "in the pipeline", meaning it could be now or a year from now or two years from now.

Unexcited by the updated sentinel and Kasrkin, but Ursula Creed is right up there amongst my favourite GW sculpts. Fantastic, characterful sculpt.

 Togusa wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Although I was hoping for totally new minis as well. I do like this new kit the Cadians have on, it looks easier to convert into another regiment.

Whatever happened to the rumour of "2 other regiments and minis etc" is that still missing alongside the tank?

There must be more models yet to be shown because there's definitely Rough Riders from that rumour engine.

I am guessing this was a super early leak, similar to the Horus Heresy box last summer. I wouldn't expect to see guard launch for preorder anytime before October 2022 at the earliest.

That doesn't seem likely. They happily ignored the 'super early' HH leak for a year or more.

The Fall of Cadia was a long time ago. Makes sense that Creed's daughter would be an old woman now.

I prefer the helmet, but I why not make it a Cadian helmet?

I both do and don't like the new Ursula model. I think it's a cool idea, and a quality looking model, but at the same time it feels like it's too heavily reliant on the previous creed. Like Ceed having the cigars, double laspistols, and coat over his shoulders all gave him his own unique feel and character, but there's not really anything particular about to give this new character her own sense of identity, it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff to replace Creed" without having her own interesting quirks too.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I both do and don't like the new Ursula model. I think it's a cool idea, and a quality looking model, but at the same time it feels like it's too heavily reliant on the previous creed. Like Ceed having the cigars, double laspistols, and coat over his shoulders all gave him his own sense of being his own unique feel, but there's not really anything particular about to give this new character her own sense of identity, it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff" without having her own interesting quirks too.

This is my issue, its just lazy

The idea of having her be Creed 2.0 is dumb enough but literally giving her his gear is just icing on the cake of lame

She should have been brand new, like make her the descendant of one of the escapees from Cadia and she is furious her people's planef fell. Hell make her like a baby that was on the last ship out and has dedicated her life to fighting against the Imperium's enemies. She could hold Creeds teachings in high regard and pattern her command style off him

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I both do and don't like the new Ursula model. I think it's a cool idea, and a quality looking model, but at the same time it feels like it's too heavily reliant on the previous creed. Like Ceed having the cigars, double laspistols, and coat over his shoulders all gave him his own unique feel and character, but there's not really anything particular about to give this new character her own sense of identity, it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff to replace Creed" without having her own interesting quirks too.

Yeah, it could be an interesting concept, that of Creed's kid picking up his mantel, but in terms of personality she seems kind of dull.
You could just use her as a generic commander choice and it wouldn't seem out of place. In fact, I thought she was the replacement for the IG commander at first.
Wearing her father's coat was a neat idea that ties into the aforementioned concept, but it's just not enough.

It would have been more interesting if she had, I dunno, a big ol' rifle instead of two pistols, or a sword cane. Or both.
Maybe drinking from a bottle of wine. Creed was a smoker, so why not make her a drunk as a vice?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
... it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff to replace Creed" without having her own interesting quirks too.

2x210 wrote:
The idea of having her be Creed 2.0 is dumb enough but literally giving her his gear is just icing on the cake of lame

What if that's the point? What if it's a commander taking on the trappings of Creed - even the name - in a propaganda effort, and that Creed never had a daughter but it's been so long since the Fall of Cadia, and all the records are gone, and Creed himself is gone, so no one will argue against the situation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I prefer the helmet, but I why not make it a Cadian helmet?

I would assume it's something she's picked up off a battlefield somewhere along the way.


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I both do and don't like the new Ursula model. I think it's a cool idea, and a quality looking model, but at the same time it feels like it's too heavily reliant on the previous creed. Like Ceed having the cigars, double laspistols, and coat over his shoulders all gave him his own unique feel and character, but there's not really anything particular about to give this new character her own sense of identity, it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff to replace Creed" without having her own interesting quirks too.

On the flipside, if you have the original Creed model you can carry on using it instead of Ursula, since they have the same gear...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
... it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff to replace Creed" without having her own interesting quirks too.

2x210 wrote:
The idea of having her be Creed 2.0 is dumb enough but literally giving her his gear is just icing on the cake of lame

What if that's the point? What if it's a commander taking on the trappings of Creed - even the name - in a propaganda effort, and that Creed never had a daughter but it's been so long since the Fall of Cadia, and all the records are gone, and Creed himself is gone, so no one will argue against the situation.

I have no issue with the idea. It's just that basing her identity almost entirely on being "Creed" again is in itself not enough to make her that interesting. I think wearing his ruined coat is a neat way to remember him and show a link to that important piece of Cadia, but having his laspistols as well while not having some own unique aspect to make her feel like her own person makes it feel a bit lacking. There are so many things they could have done to make it more than just Creed-but-not; some sort of bionics or scars and medals to show her supposed skill and combat history, maybe a personal memento of Cadia, some elaborate shoulder pads or gauntlets or boots to give her a bit more of a memorable uniform etc Like, more like this than just "Creed" again:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b3/Winter_Assult.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20120122025404

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
... it's instead near completely based around "Creed's Daughter with Creeds stuff to replace Creed" without having her own interesting quirks too.

2x210 wrote:
The idea of having her be Creed 2.0 is dumb enough but literally giving her his gear is just icing on the cake of lame

What if that's the point? What if it's a commander taking on the trappings of Creed - even the name - in a propaganda effort, and that Creed never had a daughter but it's been so long since the Fall of Cadia, and all the records are gone, and Creed himself is gone, so no one will argue against the situation.

I have no issue with the idea. It's just that basing her identity almost entirely on being "Creed" again is in itself not enough to make her that interesting. I think wearing his ruined coat is a neat way to remember him and show a link to that important piece of Cadia, but having his laspistols as well while not having some own unique aspect to make her feel like her own person makes it feel a bit lacking. There are so many things they could have done to make it more than just Creed-but-not; some sort of bionics or scars and medals to show her supposed skill and combat history, maybe a personal memento of Cadia, some elaborate shoulder pads or gauntlets or boots to give her a bit more of a memorable uniform etc Like, more like this than just "Creed" again:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b3/Winter_Assult.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20120122025404

Honestly the article even hints directly at what HBMC is saying.

Wait, could that be her father’s battered old greatcoat? But wasn’t he wearing that when Cadia fell?

Us steeped in Warhammer 40k lore know that not only was he wearing it when Cadia fell, but Trazyn scooped him up when Cadia fell. For that to be his actual greatcoat is nearly if not completely impossible. It's far more likely for her to be an imposter with fake gear running/propped up by a propaganda campaign. Bonus points if they reveal a new guy carrying a tattered flag... oh... is that... the very same one Color Sergeant Kell held??? AMAZING!

Some guy in the morale branch probably got extra rations for coming up with this idea.