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zamerion wrote:
If I have not misunderstood the rumours, there are only faction rules for Catachan, Krieg and Cadia in the codex?

Or does it refer to specific units with rules of these regiments?

And then what about the attilan rough riders?

And finally, is it confirmed that there are new catachans? (by rumors of course)

Rough riders and Catachans are long-rumoured from multiple sources as getting new models, but unlike some of the other recent stuff there's no picture confirmation yet. There are a few rumour engine pics that work for both though.

Regarding sub-faction rules, from what OK_E said it sounds like individual units can have one of three options including "born soldiers" and "guerillas". That will unlock a stratagem for them to use. It's unclear right now if that's to replace regiment rules, or is just a new rules system to accommodate having mixed Cadian / Catachan / Kreig models as part of the same regiment.

This is speculation but personally I'd be surprised if they scrapped regiment rules completely. Most other 40k codexes have 5+ sub-factions to choose from, often in addition to the build-your-own rules. I think it's more likely that instead of "Tallarn" or "Valhallan" we'll instead see more generic regiment rules such as "desert fighters" and "ice warriors", and the book will just show Cadians painted in an appropriate camo scheme for fighting in desert or snow.

DeadliestIdiot wrote:
Thinking about it (and I stress I have seen no rumors to directly support this), could the rumored removal of heavy weapons teams from the infantry squads mesh with the concept of a return to platoons (for which I don't think I've seen any rumors) where the heavy weapon teams would show up in a heavy weapon squad within the platoon rather than taking up a heavy slot?

Maybe. Would need some short of look out sir for hws to be relevant though.

 xttz wrote:

zamerion wrote:
If I have not misunderstood the rumours, there are only faction rules for Catachan, Krieg and Cadia in the codex?

Or does it refer to specific units with rules of these regiments?

And then what about the attilan rough riders?

And finally, is it confirmed that there are new catachans? (by rumors of course)

Rough riders and Catachans are long-rumoured from multiple sources as getting new models, but unlike some of the other recent stuff there's no picture confirmation yet. There are a few rumour engine pics that work for both though.

Regarding sub-faction rules, from what OK_E said it sounds like individual units can have one of three options including "born soldiers" and "guerillas". That will unlock a stratagem for them to use. It's unclear right now if that's to replace regiment rules, or is just a new rules system to accommodate having mixed Cadian / Catachan / Kreig models as part of the same regiment.

This is speculation but personally I'd be surprised if they scrapped regiment rules completely. Most other 40k codexes have 5+ sub-factions to choose from, often in addition to the build-your-own rules. I think it's more likely that instead of "Tallarn" or "Valhallan" we'll instead see more generic regiment rules such as "desert fighters" and "ice warriors", and the book will just show Cadians painted in an appropriate camo scheme for fighting in desert or snow.

This has basically been my theory, though I was thinking more in terms of the "type" of regiment (i.e. Siege Regiment, Assault Regiment, Shock Regiment, Mechanized Regiment, etc.)

DeadliestIdiot wrote:
Thinking about it (and I stress I have seen no rumors to directly support this), could the rumored removal of heavy weapons teams from the infantry squads mesh with the concept of a return to platoons (for which I don't think I've seen any rumors) where the heavy weapon teams would show up in a heavy weapon squad within the platoon rather than taking up a heavy slot?

I wish. Horde guard needs more boots on the ground other than conscripts. So either allow squads to balloon up to 20 men each, or bring back platoons.

M.

One more day until the ground hog sticks his head out of his hidey hole. Will he see his shadow and go back into hiding or will GW finally announce the Imperial Guard codex?

I'm Europe based and Groundhog is pretty well understood over here but I'm struggling to see how it relates in this context. I can't think of an annual event in relation to Guard you are referring to.

The Nova reveals on Thursday maybe?

Yes, they are referring to the NOVA reveals (which I thought were tomorrow (Wednesday)). The "annual event" bit might be an overly literal interpretation though, point is more that its a regular periodic occurrence that potentially portents the arrival of something we have been waiting for.

Yeah, the NOVA event. I thought it was Wednesday, but I've seen Thursday in some places. Whichever it is, here's to hoping that the ground hog doesn't see it's shadow

DeadliestIdiot wrote:
Yeah, the NOVA event. I thought it was Wednesday, but I've seen Thursday in some places. Whichever it is, here's to hoping that the ground hog doesn't see it's shadow

Wednesday US time, Thursday U.K. time

I guess I figured it would be later in the day for whatever reason and would therefore be on the same day in US and UK time heh

DeadliestIdiot wrote:
I guess I figured it would be later in the day for whatever reason and would therefore be on the same day in US and UK time heh

It is later in day...in america 8pm in New York thus 1am in London.

oof, I would have thought theyd try to schedule something like that for a time where other timezones would be awake.

They schedule it for the event it's taking place at.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They schedule it for the event it's taking place at.

NOVA runs from 31 August through 4 September - they could have scheduled the preview for their usual timeslot of 8AM EST on Saturday.

chaos0xomega wrote:
oof, I would have thought theyd try to schedule something like that for a time where other timezones would be awake.

The thing with timezones is it's always night somewhere

tneva82 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
oof, I would have thought theyd try to schedule something like that for a time where other timezones would be awake.

The thing with timezones is it's always night somewhere

Yes, but when its night over an area thats mostly ocean and outside of your core market, that "problem" isn't much of a problem at all. Turns out 9AM EST is 6AM in LA, which is early but not so early that motivated individuals won't wake up for it, and 2PM in London, 3PM in Berlin, and 4PM in Kyiv which is normal people time, and 9PM in Singapore and Perth, 10PM in Tokyo, 10:30PM in Adelaide, 11PM in Sydney and Brisbane, which is late but not so late that motivated individuals won't stay up for it. Do it on a saturday EST when people are generally more flexible with their schedules because they don't have to go to work the next day etc. and everyone can reasonably enjoy the show at the same time, rather than having your your second largest market be asleep and it being the buttcrack of dawn in Australia/New Zealnd.

I don't mind personally. If I really wanted to see it, I could watch the twitch stream whenever. But the news will be in the Communtiy Page anyway. And frankly, I have not that high expectations to begin with. Likely they will show us the final model of the LoV range and the Codex Cover. Then maybe some more views on the other LoV models we have already seen. Maybe even the Patrol Box or whatever that will be their likely outing before the actual codex hits. And then they might show the new IG tank and let us know that there is more in store for IG in the near future (Rough Riders).

For comparison: This was the reveal of LVO: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/28/lvo-2022-the-reborn-avatar-of-khaine-leads-another-new-wave-of-aeldari-reinforcements/
The Avatar (that was leaked already), Maughan Ra and the Shining Spears. So 3 kits.

They might not even show IG stuff at all but instead showcase Angron again for all we know.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They schedule it for the event it's taking place at.

NOVA runs from 31 August through 4 September - they could have scheduled the preview for their usual timeslot of 8AM EST on Saturday.

8am on a Saturday in Northern VA (NoVA) traffic? Aint no one making it there on time.

Though realistically 8pm on a Wednesday isn't all that much better, at least the people who want to attend should already be there.

Almost everyone that needs or wants to be there will already be there (its at a hotel, after all) or the other hotel across the street.

If the preview show is intended to engage with the community and benefit from audience excitement, it makes sense to put it at a time when the audience will be engaged and excited. (8am before a 9-hour tournament day is not one of those times.)

For people not at the event, an evening's delay in finding out about models that won't be available to purchase for at least another month or two doesn't seem like the end of the world.

I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Almost everyone that needs or wants to be there will already be there (its at a hotel, after all) or the other hotel across the street.

I'll go out on a limb and say that most people who attend are not staying at the hotel. Many? Yes. Most? Probably not. There were over 3000 people who attended in 2019, and I assume that number is bigger this year due to the multi-year hiatus. Even if every room in both hotels was dedicated just to this event (which they aren't), you'd still be well short.

gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

We've not seen the covers to Voltron or the Zerkers have we?

gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

I'd expect it. The pictures leaked from the World Eaters book had the new Cadians in them.

That means Guard is coming before World Eaters.

Additionally, no rumours actually said Votann and World Eaters were before Guard. Just Daemons and CSM.

KillerAngel wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Almost everyone that needs or wants to be there will already be there (its at a hotel, after all) or the other hotel across the street.

I'll go out on a limb and say that most people who attend are not staying at the hotel. Many? Yes. Most? Probably not. There were over 3000 people who attended in 2019, and I assume that number is bigger this year due to the multi-year hiatus. Even if every room in both hotels was dedicated just to this event (which they aren't), you'd still be well short.

Theres almost 1000 rooms between the two hotels alone. Given the tendency for most attendees to stay 2, 3, 4, even 5 or 6 people to a room, the hotels don't need to sell out in order for the majority of attendees to still be housed there. Having been to NOVA in the past, I also know that a substantial portion (I would say the majority) of attendees are not locals and travel far and wide to attend.

In any case, all those arguments are useless noise. The event seats 400, the lions share of attendees don't get to attend it anyway, and you can bet that most of the attendees on wednesday are going to be hotel guests, simply by virtue of the fact that as hotel guests they will have taken time off work and have nothing else to do (as opposed to locals who are more likely to be scheduling the event around their regular lives) and the schedule for wednesday is basically void of any activity whatsoever aside from check-in/registration and 3 or 4 small painting classes - not much point in locals or "locals" driving to the hotel for a 90 minute presentation and nothing else.

 Asmodai wrote:
If the preview show is intended to engage with the community and benefit from audience excitement, it makes sense to put it at a time when the audience will be engaged and excited. (8am before a 9-hour tournament day is not one of those times.)

For people not at the event, an evening's delay in finding out about models that won't be available to purchase for at least another month or two doesn't seem like the end of the world.

As is i go to sleep, wake, skim through whc. Done. More efficient than watching stream listening them go on

Rumours roudup by Mordian Glory on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNRZduTMU

Release date around february 2023, last codex of 9th edition.
And grim news ahead IMHO.

I feel depressed.

For future reference, you can save everyone having to listen to somebody ranting.

Summary of Rumours:
No OG Regiments
No Veterans, Conscripts, Special Weapons Squads
Overall more elite feel - "Last Sons of Cadia"
Officers + Command Squad Combined
New Unit - Field Ordinance Battery
Scions have a 24" Range and exploding 6s to hit
Guard Combat Patrol = Sentinel, Command Squad, Field Ordinance Battery, Cadian Shock Troops
You can mix and match regiment traits without loosing army wide bonus
Vicious Traps Strat improved
Infantry Squads can't take heavy weapons teams
Infantry Squads can take 2x special weapons
Rogal Dorn tank actually called the Praetorian Tank
Tanith will get a regiment trait
Votan coming out before Guard
Apparently the book has had to be rewritten 4 times and thats what has caused the delays.

Basically, it's all rumors we've already had.

Yeah, depressed now.

No mention of Kasrkin?

He just said he was not rehashing things we already know, that have been previewed by GW.