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 vipoid wrote:
I'm curious as to whether this 'pick two traits from a list' is going to replace the named subfactions for other books, going forwards.

Personally, I hope so as I think the current system ties you down too much (in both lore and crunch).

Only sad thing to my mind is that it looks like all the regiment-based warlord traits have vanished into the aether, which is a sad thing indeed.

The current system is fine, to an extent. Marines and Eldar should've been done closer to how Tyranids and Tau work where you have the main overarching trait (so Iron Hands and all successors have a 6+++, all White Scars have Advance or Fall Back + Charge), and then the successor has certain abilities they can pick while being restricted from others. For example, an Imperial Fist successor probably shouldn't have access to Hungry For Battle vs where Duelists makes more sense for them. It just needs to be a fairly expanded table is all.

Sounds to me like platoons are going to be mini-patrols that come with a good way of mitigated CP loss.

Ah, GW is serving some old-school fan service again:

"No veterans and special weapon squads anymore! Deal with it, scrubs!"

Glad I still play Oldhammer where ALL units of my collection are still LEGAL!

Well you can still use the models, bar the demo charge and heavy flamer guys?

If this "Platoons are back, kinda" rumor is true I wonder if some of my special weapon squads will just pick up a Lt. and be basically the same.

I'd be surprised if command squads keep the 4 special weapons rather than being locked into vox, sgt, medic and flag with just one special.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I'd be surprised if command squads keep the 4 special weapons rather than being locked into vox, sgt, medic and flag with just one special.

Bingo.

Yep, Astra Militarum going the way of 'just what's in the box'? Sounds about right.

tbh, I think the new cadian shock troops are meant to be the replacement for the veteran squad, since they get access to more special weapons and higher stats or something. The special weapon squads... well, RIP.

drbored wrote:
Yep, Astra Militarum going the way of 'just what's in the box'? Sounds about right.

Sounds awful.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Yep, Astra Militarum going the way of 'just what's in the box'? Sounds about right.

Sounds awful.

But still sounds about right. That'll teach us Power gamers to use multiple Combi-Flamers in our Chaos Terminators!

In Nova Astra Militarum (tm) specialization is verbotten. No double special weapons for you, plebs!

M.

Ugh, hearing all these loadout restrictions and unit removals definitely puts a big damper on what should be a proper glow up for a long neglected faction.

 Grimskul wrote:
Ugh, hearing all these loadout restrictions and unit removals definitely puts a big damper on what should be a proper glow up for a long neglected faction.

Behold! Glow up:



Meanwhile the Warp Spider kit is older than most people playing the game...

As long as I have been an adult the imperial guard codex releases have been really disappointing. I'm especially disgusted at the weapon restrictions. I don't think it's going to look nice on the table.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Ugh, hearing all these loadout restrictions and unit removals definitely puts a big damper on what should be a proper glow up for a long neglected faction.

Behold! Glow up:



Meanwhile the Warp Spider kit is older than most people playing the game...

Yeah, it's really odd that they thought Sentinels of all things needed an update in the army, considering that the Wyrdvane Psykers and Ratlings are still in Resin and the Basilisk being updated to have more siege weaponry options like a Medusa cannon would have been nice. Are the Warp Spiders one of the oldest units in the game now that Khorne Berserkers are going to be updated?

Do we even know if Ratlings survived into the new book?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do we even know if Ratlings survived into the new book?

Haven't heard anything but I feel like they would survive, even if only to get a Kill Team kit for them at some point because they did do a plastic Ratling character duo for Blackstone Fortress, and I can see them using the same design set.

I do like the articulation on the chainsaw. The rest of it is ok... and would probably have been a great release if the existing sentinel didn't already exist.

 Grimskul wrote:
Are the Warp Spiders one of the oldest units in the game now that Khorne Berserkers are going to be updated?

Warp Spiders are older than the plastic Berserkers. They would have to be the prime contender for oldest models by this point, other than the various Made to Order offerings.

Them and the Phoenix Lords. I think that's about it as far as ancient models go.

After that it's Azrael and Dante, IIRC.

 insaniak wrote:
I do like the articulation on the chainsaw. The rest of it is ok... and would probably have been a great release if the existing sentinel didn't already exist.

This is why I recently bought two of the current Sentinels. It's not that the new ones are bad, they're just so unnecessary. The Basilisk is still using the same plastic sprues from when I was in high school, yet we are getting a new Sentinel, of all things?

So....while I do like how these are painted....

Aren't most military vehicles just thrown into the motorpool and a big paint sprayer used to put the base colors on, and then any camo colors?

Meaning that, the shiny metal bitz would be all painted as well.

Painting a good miniature is often about sacrificing what is real vs what looks good, but the shiny metal bitz have always gotten to me. I guess each to their own.

I think I have 9 sentinels floating around and I have never been happy with the paint job. Might have to go with the contrasting thing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Them and the Phoenix Lords. I think that's about it as far as ancient models go.

After that it's Azrael and Dante, IIRC.

 insaniak wrote:
I do like the articulation on the chainsaw. The rest of it is ok... and would probably have been a great release if the existing sentinel didn't already exist.

This is why I recently bought two of the current Sentinels. It's not that the new ones are bad, they're just so unnecessary. The Basilisk is still using the same plastic sprues from when I was in high school, yet we are getting a new Sentinel, of all things?

Are Swooping Hawks not of a similar vintage?

Agreed on the Sentinel. I need to pick up two to go with my current scout sentinel before they go OOP.

 Haighus wrote:

Are Swooping Hawks not of a similar vintage?

No, the current Hawks are 3rd edition models. The Spiders and Phoenix Lords are from the tail end of RT/early 2nd.

 insaniak wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

Are Swooping Hawks not of a similar vintage?

No, the current Hawks are 3rd edition models. The Spiders and Phoenix Lords are from the tail end of RT/early 2nd.

Oh, wow. They look terrible for 3rd ed models!

Swooping Hawks are my fav aspect. I prefer the 2nd Ed ones over the 3rd Ed ones, but boy do I want some plastic ones.

I mean, think of the plastic psykers they could've done for Guard (like the new Warlocks we just got!) or plastic Ratlings (like the new Rangers we just got).

Nope. New Sentinel. Cool.

At least we're getting RRs.

Do hope that the verms stay and maybe get a little buff to their saves or something, I'd love to use them more but they're so fragile, even in cover.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Swooping Hawks are my fav aspect. I prefer the 2nd Ed ones over the 3rd Ed ones, but boy do I want some plastic ones.

A little off-topic but I'll confess to quite liking a few of the much-reviled 3rd ed aspect warrior redesigns. In particular I think the Howling Banshees and Fire dragons had a much more characterful aesthetic than their contemporary designs.

So, the sentinal really didn't need a full new kit I agree.

However, the thing that is really irking me with the new kit is how weird the armoured version looks, and how normal the scout version looks. The scout version doesn't have the weird ergonomic vibes I am getting off the armoured version which is what is putting me off... The armoured version almost looks Tau-ish, but the scout does not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Swooping Hawks are my fav aspect. I prefer the 2nd Ed ones over the 3rd Ed ones, but boy do I want some plastic ones.

I mean, think of the plastic psykers they could've done for Guard (like the new Warlocks we just got!) or plastic Ratlings (like the new Rangers we just got).

Nope. New Sentinel. Cool.

At least we're getting RRs.

Plastic wyrdvane psykers, plastic ratlings, plastic priest (which would benefit Sisters too), plastic primaris psyker, plastic conscripts, plastic penal legion, plastic veterans with shotguns or carapace armour (or both), plastic Griffon/Medusa/Collossus, plastic Yarrick, plastic Last Chancers, plastic thudd gun/heavy mortar...

I can think of many things I'd prefer they had done instead of the Sentinel remake.

Just a slight backtrack to the whole "kneepad" thing popping up some pages before: I was just browsing around on Wargames Atlantics range and found these:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/all/products/spacenam


Ignore the bulky arms for a moment, but I think what I mean gets through. Those kneepads look like they are really protecting something. The ones on the new Cadians just... don't do it for me.




@ Sentinel: on the plus side I like that the chainsaw "arm" looks the same design as the legs. Logically it also makes more sense to have the canopy bigger and to have enough space for the engine (which was rather mind bending in the old ones). But... I think for me it's those smooth surfaces and rounded armor plates the keep me from liking it. The old sentinel had these rough "We have no time for elegant design bullsh** just slap together some armor plates for the cockpit - boom, done!" feeling. The new one looks... pretty carefully constructed. But I guess that's OK, I'm happy for everyone else around who will get those and stick to the old ones myself.

 Haighus wrote:

Oh, wow. They look terrible for 3rd ed models!

The 3rd ed Aspects were all fairly dire. They were done by trainee sculptors (mostly Juan Diaz, IIRC) under Gary Morley's tutelage, so for the most part they look on par with many of Morley's more awkward sculpts.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The scout version doesn't have the weird ergonomic vibes I am getting off the armoured version which is what is putting me off... The armoured version almost looks Tau-ish, but the scout does not.

Yeah, the more curved lines on the front do lend it something of a Tau look. I think the difference on the scout version is that the rollcage breaks up the panel lines, and looks enough like the current model that it still clicks.


Looking at it again, I did find something else that I like about it, though... those mudguards over the hips. That's a nice little detail.