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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Love the Second Ed company/platoon split circle icons coming back!

They never really went away tho.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The playing card suits are a cool idea, but why do them just in white and black? Surely the hearts and diamonds earn a red, at least?

I'm kinda amused that in the 38000 years of the future, playing cards finally picked up a fifth suit.

Has anywhere ever definitively laid out the entire contents of an Emperor's Tarot deck? I'm surprised GW has never printed and sold a version of it. They're printing some random KT playing card deck...

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The playing card suits are a cool idea, but why do them just in white and black? Surely the hearts and diamonds earn a red, at least?

I'm kinda amused that in the 38000 years of the future, playing cards finally picked up a fifth suit.

Has anywhere ever definitively laid out the entire contents of an Emperor's Tarot deck? I'm surprised GW has never printed and sold a version of it. They're printing some random KT playing card deck...

LOL I didn't notice the upside down triangle. I wonder what it's called?

As for the Emperors Tarot no they never did one but I'd buy it I a heart beat.

John Blanche did a standard deck a few years back with suits as Imperial, Adeptus Mech, Xenos and Chaos. I'd imagine no one below Inquisition clearance would be allowed to play with a deck like that.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The playing card suits are a cool idea, but why do them just in white and black? Surely the hearts and diamonds earn a red, at least?

You can slap a Contrast paint over the white ones and get any colour you want. If you put them on a suitably dark/saturated background you don’t even have to be too neat.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

LOL I didn't notice the upside down triangle. I wonder what it's called?

As for the Emperors Tarot no they never did one but I'd buy it I a heart beat.

The triangle could be “cups” to make them slightly more international.

As for the Tarot, I want a set that is actually a stack of ultra-thin screens that change their images based on the user, like they’re supposed to.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Love the Second Ed company/platoon split circle icons coming back!

They never really went away tho.

They kinda did though.

Such a better scheme for the Kasrkin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Such a better scheme for the Kasrkin.

This is pretty much the same as my original Cadian paint scheme, used on my first 40k army. Obviously much better painted by 'Eavy Metal!

It makes much more lore sense too- grey armour on black fatigues is the camo pattern used by the Cadian orbital defense detail*, which you would expect to be used by Cadians deploying onto a space hulk. The only significant difference is the addition of the Kasrkin camo jags.

*As shown in the 3.5th edition IG codex.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Initial reviews of Shadowvaults have Kasrkin Sergeants being able to take Hellguns, like the rest of the squad...

I'M DARING TO DREAM GUYS.

Oh blessed times. Though Krieg did it first

 Kanluwen wrote:

Such a better scheme for the Kasrkin.

Showing us 3 figures they have not shown et....guys pointing their guns to shoot them. Glad they did so, and I hope their is a plasma guy shooting as well. Hate the weird looking down at the gun poses.

 Haighus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Such a better scheme for the Kasrkin.

This is pretty much the same as my original Cadian paint scheme, used on my first 40k army. Obviously much better painted by 'Eavy Metal!

Also the scheme of my LatD Traitors.

Third row, 4th across is what I am potentially going to go for, with plain matt black carapace armour to break it up a bit.

So many other options than the 8th cadian scheme.... The 8th cadian standard scheme is genuinely so boring.

Imagine painting 100 troops in some of these schemes... that would be commitment to the Imperial cause!

Goonhammer kit review: https://www.goonhammer.com/model-review-astra-militarum-kasrkin-kill-team/

So, looks like it's exactly what I said, dynamic bodies with arms with round sockets plus tiny tabs for orientation, that can be freely swapped, just like good primaris kits. Article even notes it's easy to build multiple squads with nothing at all repeating, with naturally posed bodies that don't look like they lack half of the spine (which makes them slightly taller).

Turns out mOnOpOsE minority was wrong again, who could have seen it coming?

 Irbis wrote:
Goonhammer kit review: https://www.goonhammer.com/model-review-astra-militarum-kasrkin-kill-team/

So, looks like it's exactly what I said, dynamic bodies with arms with round sockets plus tiny tabs for orientation, that can be freely swapped, just like good primaris kits. Article even notes it's easy to build multiple squads with nothing at all repeating, with naturally posed bodies that don't look like they lack half of the spine (which makes them slightly taller).

Turns out mOnOpOsE minority was wrong again, who could have seen it coming?

But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

Good to hear. That's the sort of posing I like, with multiple arm and head options for the same poses that aren't segregated off. Warlord got it right, GW doing it for Guard is right as well.

Excuse my naivety here but how do the changes key into GSC? I'm assuming no cha ge as they brood brothers just overwrites the regimental doctrine and renders them worse than they are currently due to losing hammer again?

I’d expect an FAQ to handle that if they’ve changed how Doctrines work.

Andykp wrote:
But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

All this "unnatural angle waist" stuff is a wonderful little false dilemma/strawman you lot have cooked up. Good job.

It's good that the arms aren't locked to specific torsos in this kit. The fact that there's some choice on who can have what doesn't disprove the mono-pose nature of so many GW kits. It doesn't make these, or these, or these, or these, or these, or these, or even these stop existing.

Instead we should be very happy that this newer kit is eschewing such tendencies in favour of a more generous (and certainly older style) of allowing more options within the same kit. Now we just have to wait for the rules to catch up with such 'generosity'. Hopefully this will extend to the four new Cadian kits as well, and allow cross-compatibility between all kits.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Andykp wrote:
But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

All this "unnatural angle waist" stuff is a wonderful little false dilemma/strawman you lot have cooked up. Good job.

It's good that the arms aren't locked to specific torsos in this kit. The fact that there's some choice on who can have what doesn't disprove the mono-pose nature of so many GW kits. It doesn't make these, or these, or these, or these, or these, or these, or even these stop existing.

Instead we should be very happy that this newer kit is eschewing such tendencies in favour of a more generous (and certainly older style) of allowing more options within the same kit. Now we just have to wait for the rules to catch up with such 'generosity'. Hopefully this will extend to the four new Cadian kits as well, and allow cross-compatibility between all kits.

I do love a “that’s a straw man” counter argument. It’s like a counter argument without any effort into making an actual counter argument. Good work

There are single pose kits, some you posted in your list, some of the ones you posted I know for a fact can be made multiple ways, I did it with the plague marines. You neglected to add any of the many other mOnOpOsE kits that were being talked about. The whole primaris marines range, chaos marines, Krieg guys. And good work again on finding a those easy build boyz, and the kit from the board game. They definitely count.

Andykp wrote:
I do love a “that’s a straw man” counter argument. It’s like a counter argument without any effort into making an actual counter argument.

You don't make counter-arguments to strawmen. That's why they're strawmen! To argue against them is to legitimise a false premise, meaning you're no longer discussing the topic, but the fake one created as an argument.

Andykp wrote:
There are single pose kits, some you posted in your list, some of the ones you posted I know for a fact can be made multiple ways, I did it with the plague marines. You neglected to add any of the many other mOnOpOsE kits that were being talked about. The whole primaris marines range, chaos marines, Krieg guys.

There are two sets of arms that fit with each Plague Marine. Same applies to Chaos Marine kit. Its vastly different from the kits we got prior to 8th Edition. One only need look at the two equivalent kits from two different Chaos releases - Exalted Sorcerers and Deathshroud Terminators - to see the unbelievably stark difference between the two. Two weeks ago I put together two boxes of Orruk Brutes. Only two arm options per model. Slaangors? Zero options outside of one gets a sword or axe to be the champ. Compare that to the Foresaken or even the Savage Orcs I put together. The latter are pretty simplistic, but I could do more with them than a box of Deathshrouds or Torments.

Yeah, there are kits that have tons of options, and as I said when things like these Kasrkin come along I think it's something that should be celebrated and encouraged, but the gall of some people here to just pretend like these monopose things aren't real, that it's some made-up conspiracy... you're looking at 2+2 and telling me it equals 5, and then calling me an idiot for daring to point out when you're wrong.

Andykp wrote:
And good work again on finding a those easy build boyz, and the kit from the board game. They definitely count.

And that's called moving the goalposts. Magnificent!

Edit, moving on as Voss advised.

We are really discussing subjective tastes

You aren't. You're both rehashing the same stupid fight, derailing yet another thread. Get out of the elementary school mentality and learn to let something go.
When the topic inevitably comes up again, master that self-control and ignore it.

Voss wrote:

We are really discussing subjective tastes

You aren't. You're both rehashing the same stupid fight, derailing yet another thread. Get out of the elementary school mentality and learn to let something go.
When the topic inevitably comes up again, master that self-control and ignore it.

You are right. Deleted and back on track.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Spoiler:

Third row, 4th across is what I am potentially going to go for, with plain matt black carapace armour to break it up a bit.

So many other options than the 8th cadian scheme.... The 8th cadian standard scheme is genuinely so boring.

I was wondering why 39th Cadians (bottom right) had little nurgle dots on their clothes. Turns out they fell to Nurgle

Andykp wrote:


But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

I don't think torso twists was ever the point of separate torsos and legs. Instead it was so different torsos can be put on different legs. So with Catachans (for example) you could make a coherent looking unit of charging bezerkers with all running legs and bare chests, and a shooting unit with standing legs and jackets.

The Cadians were a lot more uniform but once you added the command sprue you had tunics, chests with medals, and other options to mix with various legs.

And of course with marines you had all sorts of armor marks and leg poses to use.

There are disadvantages to separate torsos and legs, but the ability to mix and match was the big thing.

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Clip Clop Bang Stick Doggos!

It's cool to have them back, but to be honest the torsos seem a tiny bit static and old fashioned on top of more dynamic horse poses?

Based on the tease at the end, I guess next week will reveal the lord solar model

OK, this I can get really behind. For my personal taste they look awesome. Depending on how easy it is to give them alternate heads/torsos I might get several sets...