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I really like Dorn (the tank) and it is very distinct looking despite as it is not just box on tracks. Also, there seems to be plenty of customization options you could do.

I almost like it a lot, just a short list of bits that would have to be converted to make it look more tanky and less cartoony:
1. The gun nips/lights get removed entirely. The guns can't traverse sideways through the tracks and the lights look like a weak spot in the front armour. Chop off and smooth over with putty I guess.
2. Looks better without sponsons. 2 multi meltas is a lot of dakka to give up though so potentially pintle mount these on the 2 turret hatches.
3. Comically large gunshield and cannons, swapping for something more plain like the macharius style twin battlecannon would clean the model up a lot.

*sigh* So much for, well, everything. Looks like GW has massively enlarged the scale of the guardsmen in this new revamp.

Damnit, I just spent 24 hours feeling really pleased at this new release, and then it turns out theyve pulled this clownshoes move which probably means the entire army is now on 29.45mm bases or other idiotic malarkey.

This is pretty sad. So they're about the size of marines and gigantic compared to DK. Genius : (

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
*sigh* So much for, well, everything. Looks like GW has massively enlarged the scale of the guardsmen in this new revamp.

Damnit, I just spent 24 hours feeling really pleased at this new release, and then it turns out theyve pulled this clownshoes move which probably means the entire army is now on 29.45mm bases or other idiotic malarkey.

There's a reason I've been saying Primaris Cadians since the minute they were first shown.

But now I kinda wonder if they're bigger than HH "Truescale" Firstborn.

Have we any idea how the new basic Cadian infantry compare size wise to the Kasrkrin? 25mm bases on the basic infantry or 28mm?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
But now I kinda wonder if they're bigger than HH "Truescale" Firstborn.

More from reddit, somewhat less distressing. Still they make HH look a bit weedy, this is irritating.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have we any idea how the new basic Cadian infantry compare size wise to the Kasrkrin? 25mm bases on the basic infantry or 28mm?

No-one has admitted to having them yet (the Kasrkin were 'officially' released on Saturday). WarCom said they're still on 25s.

Might still be within the range normal for humans. Maybe the average Krieger is 1,70 m and the average Cadian more like 1,95 m

 Pyroalchi wrote:
Might still be within the range normal for humans. Maybe the average Krieger is 1,70 m and the average Cadian more like 1,95 m

The memes just write themselves here ...

Fw Krieg is still the best scale.. heck even the plastic krieg vets are decent scale…

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
*sigh* So much for, well, everything. Looks like GW has massively enlarged the scale of the guardsmen in this new revamp.

Damnit, I just spent 24 hours feeling really pleased at this new release, and then it turns out theyve pulled this clownshoes move which probably means the entire army is now on 29.45mm bases or other idiotic malarkey.

Primaris grunts confirmed!

Gonna love me the new fluff in which Cawl devised new iron rations supplied with a healthy amount of spinach to promote greater grunt height.

I'm hoping it's just Kasrkin and the rest of the Cadians are in like with AD Mech / Kreig / other recent Humans.

It's just such a classic "You had one job. One job..." situation. Oh well, at least the scale creep won't be as noticeable on the Rogal Dorn or field gun crews. If they've screwed the basic infantry up for no readily apparent reason other than their own boneheaded stupidity, though I'm going to be less pleased.

 Pyroalchi wrote:
Might still be within the range normal for humans. Maybe the average Krieger is 1,70 m and the average Cadian more like 1,95 m

I'm actually ok with that. Average height in WW1 was extremely low compared to today's standards. On top, most Korpsmen are malnourished 15 years olds. Hardly any of them live towards their 20s. I am looking forward to new Catachans though (even if I doubt, they will ever be produced).

That's pretty irritating, they have been getting a bit better at not scale creeping up baseline humans.

Disappointing.

Well, at least they stick with tradition and make the next round of Marine-invalidating embiggened humans Cadians again. Primaris midgets, your days are numbered!

It's strange to me that the hull machine guns are what people don't like when they are infinitely more realistic (at least for steel-armor era tanks) than hull-mounted howitzers on an MBT.

 Pyroalchi wrote:
Might still be within the range normal for humans. Maybe the average Krieger is 1,70 m and the average Cadian more like 1,95 m

Well that primari marine is 2.4m. 1.95m seems still short for model then. 2.1m?

 Pyroalchi wrote:

The guy standing in the open in the back of the turret would have made more sense (in my opinion), if his weapon would point to the sky indicating a kind of "backup-AA stubber" for real emergencies. At least that's were I could see adding a weapon without armor protection make sense. When adding an AA gun under armor is too much hassel you might as well stick it to the back of the turret to give the Infantry riding with you an opportunity to stick it to the evil flyers. But what do I know, I'm not a tank engineer

Its actually a design feature pulled straight from the Sherman. Every Sherman had one, but in many cases they were pulled for use by dismounted infantry to augment the squads firepower rather than remaining with the tank.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I absolutely love it. It fixes most of the issues I have with existing guard vehicles: tracks which actually look like they would work, a turret with (almost) enough space for both the gun breeches and crew, and it has enough details in common with the baneblade and its derivatives (previously the only good looking tracked vehicles the IG had) that they should look great together.
Other stuff I like: distinct tank-crew uniform (hopefully with a good selection of heads for different regiments, but that isn't essential. Sherman-style stubber.
Things I don't like: no obvious way for the hull crew to get into the tank, a few too many guns, that rear-left stowage pile with the sandbags and the colossal wrench just lying on top of them.

Yep, overall love the design. My single biggest complaint is that the Sponson placement doesn't appear to make sense. The track profile appears to slightly change angles right next to/above/behind the sponson, that implies the presence of an idler wheel right there. That means that the sponson couldn't realistically be a "through-track" extension of the hull (as is the case with the Leman Russ). That means the sponson is either remote controlled, or someone crawls in/out form the outside and has no means of accessing the rest of the tank - and yet, insofar as I can tell, there is no hatch into the sponson itself (which would also be useful for reloading ammo), nor are there any obvious optics implying remote control... for that matter, theres no obvious viewport/vision slit to assist with aiming/firing at all.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Oh wow, it's much, much bigger than I first thought...

Yeah, its deceptively larger than the Warcom photos made it seem.

Wow they are embarrassingly big. Totally drained any interest even for converting.




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Boosykes wrote:
Wow they are embarrassingly big. Comically over-sized. Totally drained any interest even for converting.

I hope its the Karskin that are that big as it seems weird that regular grunts get that size upgrade.

I am fine with Kasrkins as big boi.

How do they compare to Scions (who were fairly chunky themselves)? I won't be able to assemble mine until tomorrow to check.

Edit: In Cadian Blood, the Kasrkin Master Sergeant is described as being about two meters talls, though there's no telling if he's the norm or an extreme.

I’d point out that someone has stuck that on a 32mm base, rather than a 25mm, which adds about a millimetre to the height.

 Jadenim wrote:
I’d point out that someone has stuck that on a 32mm base, rather than a 25mm, which adds about a millimetre to the height.

That is true...

...but all the marines in this pic are in even taller bases, so that beakie is at best as tall as the kasrkin.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'm planning on getting rid of the hull stunners, and making a twin stunner mount on on coupula and a single stubber mount on the other coupula.

I think nipple guns gone, then a traditional glacis MG mount, but make it twin, because 40k. Same guns, different frontal position.

Not sure what to do about the sponsons.

otherwise reminds me of the meng? chibi tanks.

Plus the BT Crusaders are the biggest Primaris by a fair margin, so stick a standard Primaris in there on an equally tall base and he won't be too much larger than the Kasrkin.

Additionally, if both the painted marines are on 32mm bases, the kasrkin is not. More like 28mm?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
*sigh* So much for, well, everything. Looks like GW has massively enlarged the scale of the guardsmen in this new revamp.

Spoiler:

Damnit, I just spent 24 hours feeling really pleased at this new release, and then it turns out theyve pulled this clownshoes move which probably means the entire army is now on 29.45mm bases or other idiotic malarkey.

Ah. Damn.

Well I guess I'm not getting any of these new Kasrkin afterall.