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A certainly someone is always going on about Sergeants with Lasguns. Guard Sergeants final get a rifle option... and it's a different gun. It's just so tasty.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: But in other news. I really like these new Cadians, and I look forward to the spectacle of whole armies comprised of the updated models. Because they look ace.
I have no desire to replace (or add to) my Cadians with the new ones (and not just because they'll probably be a head taller than the current minis). Having said that, if the new heads fit the current models, I could see a few big bits orders in my future.
Of course, now that I know we're not getting Kreig Command Squad/Heavy Weapons, I'm not so sure I want my two sets of Krieg Infantry anymore...
The krieg box has a couple of models kneeling or relatively low to the ground. Could easily convert them to the heavy weapons team, I'm sure. I bet we'll see a lot of people doing that into the future.
does it suck to have to buy 2 boxes to make the 1 thing you want? Absolutely, but some builders will make the sacrifice.
Honestly my greater concern in that regard is that GW seems to be pushing this idea of 'mixed regiments'. "Have some cadian shock troops alongside your krieg veterans and your catachan hellhounds and your vostroyan tanks! It's fluffy because the imperium is so diverse and the regiments just gotta make do!"
They're literally trying to weasel out of making separate kits for different regiments.
Meanwhile, Warcry is going to soon be up to 16 different flavors of chaos cultists. And each of those boxes of 10+ chaos cultists has a datasheet/battlescroll in AoS as well.
So, y'know, GW priorities. Wonderfully consistent.
On the separate regiments, range diversity and holes in it?
This is precisely why I’m not a fan of the multiple regiments approach. Sure suggest them in the background, and give the freedom to convert. But 2nd Ed introduced too many variants. Should’ve just left them with a highly standardised uniform.
I disagree, I love the variety.
But then I have forces of Steel Legion, Cadians, Valhallans, Vostroyans, Scions, and a couple of Catachans I'm planning to expand, plus a box of plastic DKoK I need to build. So I was the target for the 2nd-3rd edition variety.
Personally, I don't mix the forces much at a low level (excepting tank support attached to the infantry), but in larger games different discrete formations supporting each other looks great.
There is the odd thing here.
Back when they did the split, a core box and a handful of blisters with maybe twenty sculpts tops was, probably, enough.
But then they went plastic. And it took ages to get Heavy Weapons teams in plastic. And they only did two Regimental styles. And the Catachans (not their command squad to be fair) were crap from the get go.
Now? Well….now they do actually have the resources to produce multiple plastic regiments with the suite of options (which lets be accurate here, is essentially Command Squad, Heavy Weapons Squad, Infantry Squad).
Krieg? One can probably cobble together a Command Squad from the infantry box. I’m not that familiar with the kit myself so limiting to probably here. So just Heavy Weapons.
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I mean... I *know* that those boxes are much (or at least some) cheaper than buying it separate, but still.... what you see in the pic feels like very much not enough for 155 euros
Albertorius wrote: I mean... I *know* that those boxes are much (or at least some) cheaper than buying it separate, but still.... what you see in the pic feels like very much not enough for 155 euros
The miniatures look like a nice equivalent to Start Collecting contents. The other half of the price must be the paper components. Man, paper got expensive of late!
At least it doesn't look quite as sad as what Black Templars got, or the new Slaves to Darkness "army set".
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To be honest in thr old days most people would just kitbash command squads anyway.
So heavy weapons are the only thing i agree on being a problem ( as those poses are a bit unique).
One would hope for something for those in the future.
Edit: or just 3d print. Playing a unique IG Army/Regiment was never this easy.
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Thing on the Heavy Weapons? Crews and Pews (do you see what I did there?) just need to be separate sprues. That way, one can freely swap in different crew sprue with the same pew sprue (no, I’m not gonna stop and you can’t make me) and different regiments become a cinch.
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Albertorius wrote: I mean... I *know* that those boxes are much (or at least some) cheaper than buying it separate, but still.... what you see in the pic feels like very much not enough for 155 euros
Compared to the Slaves to Darkness box, it looks packed. 14 whole models compared to 25 + 2 artillery +sentinel.
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So when we will see reviews of the box? I am really interested seeing the alternate gasmask heads and potential other options that GW has refused to properly preview.
Albertorius wrote: I mean... I *know* that those boxes are much (or at least some) cheaper than buying it separate, but still.... what you see in the pic feels like very much not enough for 155 euros
Compared to the Slaves to Darkness box, it looks packed. 14 whole models compared to 25 + 2 artillery +sentinel.
Maybe I still remember that the OG IG 20-man boxes were 30 euros (when they raised it, I seem to remember it was cheaper at first)
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Flinty wrote: This is frivolous and nit-picky, but the rocket launcher thingy looks pretty dangerous to the operator sat directly behind the rocket thingies
I would be inclined to maybe not have the seated guy on that particular setup. Or paint the guy as particularly sooty
Also, of even less importance, there is a form/from typo in Vengeance of Cadia.
He has the right head at least.
Spoiler:
That's one of those things for which I'd like to see the 360s. The field guns are pretty cool. Would be a shame if the weapon is designed to need a new operator every time it fires. Then again, latest Batman has a guy explode in his face and he's fine*. Maybe Cadians are made of the same material as Robert Pattinson.
* That's Batman. The guy, not so much.
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Flinty wrote: This is frivolous and nit-picky, but the rocket launcher thingy looks pretty dangerous to the operator sat directly behind the rocket thingies
Not if it is a cold/soft launch system. Tho I highly doubt GW considered that .
Albertorius wrote: I mean... I *know* that those boxes are much (or at least some) cheaper than buying it separate, but still.... what you see in the pic feels like very much not enough for 155 euros
Compared to the Slaves to Darkness box, it looks packed. 14 whole models compared to 25 + 2 artillery +sentinel.
Maybe I still remember that the OG IG 20-man boxes were 30 euros (when they raised it, I seem to remember it was cheaper at first)
Yes, they went from 20 men for 30€ to 10 men for 20€. The Guardsmen got a couple of price hikes over the years. I remember the 22.50€ and 26€ steps.
Looks like Catachans only went up to 27€ in the meantime, while Cadians are 40€ now thanks to their glorious upgrade sprue.
Doesn't bode well for the price of the eventual separate release either. I doubt new Cadians will be cheaper than old Cadians.
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Albertorius wrote: I mean... I *know* that those boxes are much (or at least some) cheaper than buying it separate, but still.... what you see in the pic feels like very much not enough for 155 euros
Compared to the Slaves to Darkness box, it looks packed. 14 whole models compared to 25 + 2 artillery +sentinel.
Maybe I still remember that the OG IG 20-man boxes were 30 euros (when they raised it, I seem to remember it was cheaper at first)
I mean, sure. We could have all sorts of fun bemoaning the lost prices of yesteryear. But I don't see much point in setting expectations based on late 80s/early 90s pricing.
Looks like almost everything in the article lines up with leaks again, only the stratagem looks like new info (and potentially good info depending on how cadia/platoon keywords get handed out).
Has anyone seen any sprues yet for field guns or shock troops? I think Kasrkin are the only ones shown off officially so far.
I mean I don’t need to buy much this release it seems.
Sentinels are just new models
Infantry are just new models
Field artillery I’ll pick up 2-4 of them next year but no rush
The new tank I want 1 but leman russ still looks more competitive
And the lord solar I’ll pick up eventually but I’ll also probably print or kitbash a dkok version.
I just need the book and data cards to start playing.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Does anyone feel like the rockets and the cannon got their rules swapped? The rockets should be the indirect fire one?
Not really, I feel more like the rules were written before the models were made and whoever made the models did not know the rules.
Except GW does it in reverse. Model maker makes model, then it's tossen to fluff&rule writers and told "do something for this"
I feel like the rules came before the model because that thing being a rocket launcher is awfully specific compared to the rest of the weapon lineup. But the rule writer imagined something like the M202 Flash while the modeler immediately thought of the Nebelwerfer.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Does anyone feel like the rockets and the cannon got their rules swapped? The rockets should be the indirect fire one?
Bear in mind that in old WFB, Empire cannons could fire indirectly while their mortars could not. This is just GW brining back some old nostalgic rules effects!
Woo for Rough Riders. Stack up those bonuses. And regimental tactics. And core. And immunity to movement shenanigans, sure (Evil space magic doesn't work against 4 legs, I guess?).
And 90% of a jump-pack equipped space marine statline, because why not?
Did you kill them turn 1? No? Well, enjoy.
Calling it now: first balance pass, they lose Core, maybe regimental tactics. People are going to riot, even if they turn out to be just above average.
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Huh. Lasgun and Laspistol. Was genuinely expecting just Laspistol myself.
They seem pretty decent against vehicles too if they get to charge. S8, -3 save and D3, with two attacks each ought to put a pretty decent dent in if enough survive when the charge comes.
Rustle up a +1 to hit from somewhere, and they’re really quite nasty. I think.
In fact they’re quite nasty against Infantry too. S6, exploding attacks. Lovely.
Of course, I’d just counter by doing my best to blat them as early on as possible.
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