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**AllSeeingSkink**

Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself. He was old by the time of the 3rd War For Armageddon, and that was over 100 years ago by the current point in time.

This is 40k, just give him some rejuvenation procedures or put him into stasis or some stuff.

Wouldn't be the first time someone came back from old age in the grim dark universe.

**H.B.M.C.**

Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself.

Yet Marbo and Harker are still in the book, so...

**Kid_Kyoto**

Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself. He was old by the time of the 3rd War For Armageddon, and that was over 100 years ago by the current point in time.

They could still have kept his rules around thoough - "historical characters" were a thing before. GW chose not to, and this sucks for everybody who owns the model. Sadly this is GW of today...

Exactly. 2nd and 3rd edition had characters who were already 'dead' in the current timeline. Macharus and some of the SoB characters come to mind. Yet you could play them against Tau or Necrons or other threats that did not exist when they were alive.

So there's no reason to cut Yarrick's rules.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself.
Yet Marbo and Harker are still in the book, so...

Now I want to model Marbo with a walker and an IV bag.

**Strg Alt**

OldMate wrote:
Crimson wrote:
They're not on 32mm bases.

The kill team guys come with 32mm bases and are a foot bigger than everyone else. Well half a head. But as it is in all dimensions including their guns and grenades its pretty frickin considerable. And to me its pretty frickin visually jarring.

Always a pleasure watching GW offending their customers.

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OldMate wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Dawnbringer wrote:
Back on page 74 there a couple photos which show the new Kasrkin are pretty much in sync with the old metal ones. So them being bigger than standard Cadians has been a thing for a while now.

That's only true of the sergeant, which is a whole head taller than every other Karskin.

All the other kasrkin minis were as tall as the rest of the contemporary IG minis, and exactly as tall as the older stormtroopers:

So, no, it's not been a thing for a while, unless you only use sergeants for your kasrkin.

And the sergeant is taller and not bigger in every dimension. I.e his gun looks pretty proportional next to another guardsmen's he is not carrying a whole 10% of bulk on his entire body.
In other words they made him a bigger human being, they didn't and could not just get a kasrkin model in blender and make it 10% bigger than a regular trooper.
Which is why the new ones are so visually jarring next to their regular counterparts.
To fix it all you'd need to do is scale that model down 10%. But the molds are made and the initial run of models produced now so its too frickin late.

I mean i want to like the new models, the cadians look great, the kasrkins look great but their size is a step backwards. The fact that the kasrkin are now incompatible not just with the exisiting kits but with the cadians they are meant to be intergrated with is just trademark stupidity.

The new sentinel is cool, but the armoured one is very much a battle walker and not a recon vehicle in layout and design, not necessarily a bad thing, just interesting. Its essentially a sidegrade from the old armoured sentinel model. I the new sentinel kit is a win especially as beside the old ones it will look cool, more armoued, more sophisticated legs/feet.

The new tank is a cool idea, but it fill a niche occupied by 2 very nice but completely garbage rules wise resin models from forgeworld. It is seemingly a victim of power creep and brings a decadently large arsenal to a game where power levels are sorta soaring out of control.

The field weapons look good. I like the concept, towed heavy weapons for the guard have always made sense but the models are not even out and there is much nicer resin models now on the market that pin down that slammin forgeworld asthetic. Which to me, being an Australian will probably end up being cheaper, or like $10 dearer.

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

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Miguelsan wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
OldMate wrote:
Ugh 32mm bases and much bigger kasrkins? Gross. It does imply now that the force is recruiting on size and not merit.

Size and merit are the same thing in GW land, look at Warcry, fighters on the same sprue are sized differently based on their rank.

Somebody tell GW that IG are not Orks.

M.

Have you taken a look at the praetors in the HH AoD box? Qualifier for being promoted as a SM is being the tallest Chad in the barracks.

**Boosykes**

Ya not a big fan of the CHADINING.

**Olthannon**

Strg Alt wrote:

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

I'm sorry but why would collectors of models that are representing regular humans who would be different heights go and burn their other models?

**Darnok**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself.
Yet Marbo and Harker are still in the book, so...

Pretty sure GW considers this the Traitor Guard book as well, so... Chaosistency?

Alternative explainations include, but are not limited to "the modl broke" and "it's Tuesday, mmkay?". I don't know either!

**kestral**

I'm solidly against scale creep - bigger models are less functional in a wargame, they take up more of the board, they are less able to make use of cover and LOS blocking. And harder to store. Plus it is harder to paint them well. I don't mind having humans of all sorts and sizes though, I just don't want them to ALL be huge. On the plus side though it looks like I could get a few of the huge new humans to crew 1/35 scale historical vehicle kits and look pretty good.

**NAVARRO**

Olthannon wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

I'm sorry but why would collectors of models that are representing regular humans who would be different heights go and burn their other models?

It's often overlooked that human height is actually not uniform at all.

The designers here are slowly breaking away from the 28mm human bubble heads and going somewhat more realistic... I can understand people preferring the more cartoon style for painting reasons or if they think this is becoming like just another boring 3D assets we see from other developers... looks great on the screen but not fun at all to paint.

Well for some weird reason these make me think Starship troopers more than 40k Imperial guard. Almost like they were done by another company for other games. Im totally ok with that I could see getting me some for some convos.

**tneva82**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself. He was old by the time of the 3rd War For Armageddon, and that was over 100 years ago by the current point in time.

This is 40k, just give him some rejuvenation procedures or put him into stasis or some stuff.

Wouldn't be the first time someone came back from old age in the grim dark universe.

Plus...marbo ruins that theory. Age wise yarrick is more likely to be around.

But which one has plastic model on sale? That's the reai reason.

**Kanluwen**

Marbo's resin.

**gungo**

Wasn’t marbo and harker created for the third Ed catachan book. Yarrick was around in 2nd edition… the only other 2nd Ed character I remember was nork dedog.

**GiToRaZor**

gungo wrote:
Wasn’t marbo and harker created for the third Ed catachan book. Yarrick was around in 2nd edition… the only other 2nd Ed character I remember was nork dedog.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Astra_Militarum

If I see that correctly, then Yarrick was even Rogue Trader era. The now retired model is from Codex Armageddon. But you know who is also still able to be bought and dates back to 3rd? Gaunt and his Ghosts. And they are 99.999999% chance dead. The sabbat crusade was hundreds of years ago. And I doubt Abnett will warp teleport them into M42.

Maybe we are lucky, Armageddon seems to be a warzone in the future with Angron. Maybe we get new Steel Legion Models at least. Or they blow up the planet and pretend the Steel Legion never existed from there on.

**Shakalooloo**

gungo wrote:
Wasn’t marbo and harker created for the third Ed catachan book. Yarrick was around in 2nd edition… the only other 2nd Ed character I remember was nork dedog.

Even in 2nd edition, Nork's story had him retire at a venerable age (for an Ogryn), so for him to be around but Yarrick dead, he's had to come out of retirement ONE MORE TIME...

**alphaecho**

Olthannon wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

I'm sorry but why would collectors of models that are representing regular humans who would be different heights go and burn their other models?

It might be worth asking the Dark Eldar player who burnt his models and placed the video on Youtube as to what can drive someone to do that.

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Shakalooloo wrote:
gungo wrote:
Wasn’t marbo and harker created for the third Ed catachan book. Yarrick was around in 2nd edition… the only other 2nd Ed character I remember was nork dedog.

Even in 2nd edition, Nork's story had him retire at a venerable age (for an Ogryn), so for him to be around but Yarrick dead, he's had to come out of retirement ONE MORE TIME...

Yarrick will come out of retirement for the next Codex. Dramatic effect.

Rough Riders are back so no reason Yarrick won't be.

Makari is back and wasn't he a stain on Thraka's backside for a couple of editions?

**Voss**

Makari isn't a single gretchin. Its just what Ghaz calls the closest one. Several have been shot or eaten over the years.

Rough riders are a unit, not a character with a history and timeline. That seems obviously different.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

So changing it up a bit.

The new crewed artillery. Anyone know how easy it’s looking to make the guns interchangeable? I’m guess the Las and Howitzer should be fairly easy as they share the same shield piece.

**Geifer**

Darnok wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Darnok wrote:
With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself.
Yet Marbo and Harker are still in the book, so...

Pretty sure GW considers this the Trator Guard book as well, so... Chaosistency?

Alternative explainations include, but are not limited to "the modl broke" and "it's Tuesday, mmkay?". I don't know either!

Marbo and Harker can still be bought from GW's online store. I'm starting to think this rotation thing is a hoax and models don't go to the retirement farm. Does anybody know if there's a glue factory in Nottingham?

kestral wrote:
I'm solidly against scale creep - bigger models are less functional in a wargame, they take up more of the board, they are less able to make use of cover and LOS blocking. And harder to store. Plus it is harder to paint them well. I don't mind having humans of all sorts and sizes though, I just don't want them to ALL be huge. On the plus side though it looks like I could get a few of the huge new humans to crew 1/35 scale historical vehicle kits and look pretty good.

A lot depends on how you handle larger models. Star Wars Legion doesn't have any issues using 27mm models to create an army game that's comparable to 40k from twenty years ago, and the only reason the bases have that bit of a larger size over 25mm bases is because they're taller.

The issue with GW models is that GW likes super buff dudes with wide leg poses that then get oversized bases for good measure. And then for some you can add swirly crap and tactical rocks as well. The more realistically scaled 35mm / 1/48 Legion models in sensible soldier poses have none of those issues, in spite of being so much larger than 28mm models.

Yes, tabletop functionality is a concern with larger models, but a lot of it is in the execution. GW has pretty much abandoned tabletop functionality as a concern at this point. Or transportation concerns as far back as the floaty vampire throne thingy that has fiddly bits sticking out in all directions.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So changing it up a bit.

The new crewed artillery. Anyone know how easy it’s looking to make the guns interchangeable? I’m guess the Las and Howitzer should be fairly easy as they share the same shield piece.

Best guess from the 360s, I think sharing parts will actually make it harder. Looks to me like the weapon and shield on the howitzer and AT gun use the same parts to attach it to the rest of the carriage while the rocket launcher uses its own parts. I reckon that will make them exchangeable as a whole subassembly, but when you try to exchange the barrels on the former two you'll have to leave the shield, two struts and of course the barrels as individual pieces. I don't think that's very practical.

**EviscerationPlague**

Goonhammer summary is up.
https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-astra-militarum-9th-edition-the-goonhammer-review/

They really wanted to push those Kasyrkin it looks like.

**Gadzilla666**

So, the playtest ability to select a second Legion trait for Chosen, which was cut from the final codex, is an ability for Kasyrkin? Cool cool. And why are the shots/damage stats for CSM and Guard Demolisher Cannons swapped? Shouldn't they be the same? Because, y'know, same gun? I'm pretty sure they'll math out about the same, but it's just weird.

**Grimtuff**

GiToRaZor wrote:
gungo wrote:
Wasn’t marbo and harker created for the third Ed catachan book. Yarrick was around in 2nd edition… the only other 2nd Ed character I remember was nork dedog.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Astra_Militarum

If I see that correctly, then Yarrick was even Rogue Trader era. The now retired model is from Codex Armageddon. But you know who is also still able to be bought and dates back to 3rd? Gaunt and his Ghosts. And they are 99.999999% chance dead. The sabbat crusade was hundreds of years ago. And I doubt Abnett will warp teleport them into M42.

Maybe we are lucky, Armageddon seems to be a warzone in the future with Angron. Maybe we get new Steel Legion Models at least. Or they blow up the planet and pretend the Steel Legion never existed from there on.

Well that list is a bit wrong. The Nork Deddog mini, demo charge Catachans and the tank crews are from 3rd edition, not 2nd. The Sanctioned psykers are from the second 3rd ed codex, not the first...

**Lord Damocles**

Voss wrote:
Makari isn't a single gretchin. Its just what Ghaz calls the closest one. Several have been shot or eaten over the years.

Which, incidentally, is also dumb. Ghaz just happens to be surrounded by incredibly lucky grots (except for when Da Lucky Stik was available to any warboss, I guess)..? So there was - and is - nothing particularly special about either the original character nor the current one.

**Shakalooloo**

Lord Damocles wrote:
Voss wrote:
Makari isn't a single gretchin. Its just what Ghaz calls the closest one. Several have been shot or eaten over the years.

Which, incidentally, is also dumb. Ghaz just happens to be surrounded by incredibly lucky grots (except for when Da Lucky Stik was available to any warboss, I guess)..? So there was - and is - nothing particularly special about either the original character nor the current one.

Except that Ghazghkull THINKS there is something particularly special about whichever grot happens to be nearest him at the time, and so there is, until he forgets about 'em and they die, then he gets a new one.

**chaos0xomega**

Voss wrote:
General Hobbs wrote:

Stormtroopers no longer have keyword regiment, which means they do not get doctrines. UGH.

They don't, but they get their own rule (exploding 6s on all shooting) and hot shots are better, so it isn't exactly nothing.

Do we think theres a possibility Militarum Tempestus will get their own separate codex again ala 7th edition? Then the Astra Militarum codex MT units become like the genestealer options available in the Tyranids book, vs the genestealer options available in the Genestealer Cults book.

And I doubt Abnett will warp teleport them into M42.

He doesn't have to, the setting of the game is still officially some point in M41 thanks to convoluted retcons and warp-<removed>.

**Dirk Reinecke**

So various Youtubers are doing reviews, and the rules for the Death Korps is just weird. By default you have 8 Guardmens, 1 Plasma Gunner and 1 Sargeant. It lists that you can take two special weapons, (but it lists no Plasma Guns). Then it says that you can replace the Plasma gun with a vox?

So you can have 2 special weapons + plasma but no vox, or 2 specials but no plasma + vox.

Why would they do that? It isn't no model no rules, as the kit doesn't come with 2 special weapons of one type. It also says that you can't take more than 2 of the same special weapon (they also have this on the Cadian Shock Troops).

Very strange wording.

**Olthannon**

alphaecho wrote:
Olthannon wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

I'm sorry but why would collectors of models that are representing regular humans who would be different heights go and burn their other models?

It might be worth asking the Dark Eldar player who burnt his models and placed the video on Youtube as to what can drive someone to do that.

I'm not sure what asking a clown for clarity would provide me.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Maybe the best way to be laughed at by nerds on the internet?

**Olthannon**

^ I believe that's falling out a bucket while stomping on grapes.

**Grimtuff**

Olthannon wrote:
alphaecho wrote:
Olthannon wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

I'm sorry but why would collectors of models that are representing regular humans who would be different heights go and burn their other models?

It might be worth asking the Dark Eldar player who burnt his models and placed the video on Youtube as to what can drive someone to do that.

I'm not sure what asking a clown for clarity would provide me.

Firstly, it was a Dark Elf army, secondly it was nothing to do with scale creep and everything to do with WHFB being replaced with AoS.

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Dirk Reinecke wrote:
So various Youtubers are doing reviews, and the rules for the Death Korps is just weird. By default you have 8 Guardmens, 1 Plasma Gunner and 1 Sargeant. It lists that you can take two special weapons, (but it lists no Plasma Guns). Then it says that you can replace the Plasma gun with a vox?

So you can have 2 special weapons + plasma but no vox, or 2 specials but no plasma + vox.

Why would they do that? It isn't no model no rules, as the kit doesn't come with 2 special weapons of one type. It also says that you can't take more than 2 of the same special weapon (they also have this on the Cadian Shock Troops).

Very strange wording.

Wut?

Another one for the list HBMC...

**Gadzilla666**

So, the same insanity that was applied to the CSM codex has also been applied to the Guard Codex. Lovely. /s