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 Geifer wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Weird the combat patrol is not available, unless it's due to fairly poor direct sales of cadia stands so they want to shift them first - only just about sold out at third parties in the last few weeks in the UK.

Hard to say if it actually sold poorly. Cadia Stands was released on Black Friday. One would think if GW deviates from their normal release day to get those Black Friday sales, they would also have made a suitably large number so they don't sell through in five minutes.

Stands to reason they'd consider the possibility that a Combat Patrol won't sell so well after flooding the market with the army box, and give it some more time before dropping it.

Yeah as it was out for Black Friday / pre-xmas it seems likely GW made more Cadia Stands sets than typical army boxes.

I doubt that affected plans for the Combat Patrol though. This isn't the first time large army releases have been split into multiple waves with the CP arriving later. They don't want to release too much at once as customers are more likely to spend more over a longer period, so that box gets dropped in favour of the tank (re)releases.

Baneblade went from 120€ to 130€ for the extra sponson, not the worst but also not great.

The Leman russ only went up 5€ for the extra guns which doesn't seem too bad but nobody paid the full price due to the SC before.

The Rogal Dorn is cheaper than I expected same as the other kits (except characters of course) so the Combat Patrol isn't as good of a discount as I thought but still a good 37,7% discount.
Not quite as good as the current best which is Genestealer Cults with 45% but still one of the better discounts

 Matrindur wrote:
Baneblade went from 120€ to 130€ for the extra sponson, not the worst but also not great.

The Leman russ only went up 5€ for the extra guns which doesn't seem too bad but nobody paid the full price due to the SC before.

The Rogal Dorn is cheaper than I expected and since the other kits are also slightly cheaper than I expected but the Combat Patrol is still a good 37,7% discount.
Not quite as good as the current best which is Genestealer Cults with 45% but still one of the better discounts

I haven't looked at the Baneblade retail price for a while.

Is the new price equal to old price + upgrade sprue price or does it include a markup.

In other words, have there been two price rises. One for being required to have a sprue one may not have wanted plus an extra percentage for the Big Guy?

 alphaecho wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Baneblade went from 120€ to 130€ for the extra sponson, not the worst but also not great.

The Leman russ only went up 5€ for the extra guns which doesn't seem too bad but nobody paid the full price due to the SC before.

The Rogal Dorn is cheaper than I expected same as the other kits (except characters of course) so the Combat Patrol isn't as good of a discount as I thought but still a good 37,7% discount.
Not quite as good as the current best which is Genestealer Cults with 45% but still one of the better discounts

I haven't looked at the Baneblade retail price for a while.

Is the new price equal to old price + upgrade sprue price or does it include a markup.

In other words, have there been two price rises. One for being required to have a sprue one may not have wanted plus an extra percentage for the Big Guy?

The upgrade sprue was 22.5€ if I remember correctly so cheaper than before but the Dominus knight also didn't get a price increase when the Valiant and Castellan where bundled together so I was hoping for no increase this time too, especially since this is only extra sponsons and not main weapon options like the Dominus Knight or Leman Russ

In real terms a price cut IF one wanted both.

A forced price rise otherwise.

 Dysartes wrote:
So Cadia Stands! works out at ~1/3 of retail?

£202 for the contents individually. £120 for Cadia Stands, so £82 less.
£152.5 for the models, £90 for combat patrols, so £62.5 difference. About the same ratio, so not the book and cards propping up the savings


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 xttz wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Weird the combat patrol is not available, unless it's due to fairly poor direct sales of cadia stands so they want to shift them first - only just about sold out at third parties in the last few weeks in the UK.

Hard to say if it actually sold poorly. Cadia Stands was released on Black Friday. One would think if GW deviates from their normal release day to get those Black Friday sales, they would also have made a suitably large number so they don't sell through in five minutes.

Stands to reason they'd consider the possibility that a Combat Patrol won't sell so well after flooding the market with the army box, and give it some more time before dropping it.

Yeah as it was out for Black Friday / pre-xmas it seems likely GW made more Cadia Stands sets than typical army boxes.

I doubt that affected plans for the Combat Patrol though. This isn't the first time large army releases have been split into multiple waves with the CP arriving later. They don't want to release too much at once as customers are more likely to spend more over a longer period, so that box gets dropped in favour of the tank (re)releases.

Also, right now people will be willing to buy individual kits and tanks to go with them. Keeping the Combat patrol back will avoid cannibilizing some of the sales of the individual kits, and make a solid core for new buyers to add the second wave models to. Buying a combat patrol to add some rough riders and a commissar to is a lot easier mental leap than buying 5 separate boxes to get the same result.

I take it the availability of the psyker means we're never getting that Blackstone Fortress sprue reissued, even as a MTO or something.

Sigh.

 The Phazer wrote:
I take it the availability of the psyker means we're never getting that Blackstone Fortress sprue reissued, even as a MTO or something.

Sigh.

The Community site is wrong. She wasn't part of Blackstone Fortress, but the much more niche Combat Arena Box game, along with the Techno Archeologist that was released on his own for AdMech recently, a Crusader, Servitor, and Rogue Trader.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The Community site is wrong. She wasn't part of Blackstone Fortress, but the much more niche Combat Arena Box game, along with the Techno Archeologist that was released on his own for AdMech recently, a Crusader, Servitor, and Rogue Trader.

They were in the Blackstone Fortress – Escalation expansion first.

beast_gts wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The Community site is wrong. She wasn't part of Blackstone Fortress, but the much more niche Combat Arena Box game, along with the Techno Archeologist that was released on his own for AdMech recently, a Crusader, Servitor, and Rogue Trader.

They were in the Blackstone Fortress – Escalation expansion first.

I have two of each of the models on that sprue I picked up one in the Norfolk, Virginia Barnes and Noble after buying a Combat Arena box

As I have two, there must have been a Blackstone Fortress expansion released in the UK.

Blackstone definitely had that sprue.

Those character prices are maximum cringe.

 Gert wrote:
Those character prices are maximum cringe.

Ursula especially, has instantly meant that she will not be purchased by me. I can kindof justify Solar due to his horse and scenic base, plus with whatever discount the online retailers are offering nowadays.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Somewhat surprised at the Rogal Dorn price.

That and the HWT prices are a surprise for me. $90 for the Rogal Dorn and $50 for the HWTs.

So the Leman Russ comes with 2 turrets now or am I misunderstanding it?

The_Real_Chris wrote:
So the Leman Russ comes with 2 turrets now or am I misunderstanding it?

It comes with all 7 turret options now, if it is identical to the old sprues you will get 2 turrets. Depends if they have recut the sprue, as iirc you would get 2 hulls as well if they are just reusing the old sprues. Guess we will find out when preorders go live on the GW site.

If they truly have just thrown in the existing “advanced/rare”weapons sprue then yes. Also an extra top plate and set of sponsons.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
So the Leman Russ comes with 2 turrets now or am I misunderstanding it?

Yeah, supposedly they will rebox the kit with : the sides / sponsons / tracks sprue + the standard LRBT hull & turret sprue + the Demolisher hull & turret sprue. Hence the price hike !

I think hike is a bit of a strong term, it has gone up £1.50 in the UK. I expected a lot worse. Not sure about the European price increase.

Still hate Ursula, this is a pretty easy release to skip tbh - I like the big ol' tank but the rest of it is not great (I'd take a few of the wargames atlantic plastic ranges over the new cadians)

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I think hike is a bit of a strong term, it has gone up £1.50 in the UK. I expected a lot worse. Not sure about the European price increase.

Oh you are right. The old EU price for LRBT was € 47,50 but as I did not buy one recently, I still had a lower price in mind.

Might pick up another leman russ then if I get a second turret...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Kind of happy with Rogal price, I expected $100 or so. 70 Euros is less than that even in GW magic conversion rate land.

Well, a while ago they had a post with a size comparison with a Baneblade and a Leman Russ. The Rogal Dorn was a fair bit bigger than the Leman Russ, but by today's standard, a Leman Russ is not that big of a model anymore (just a bit taller than a Rhino). I suspect the Rogal Dorn will be a bit smaller / have less mass than a Primaris Repulsor, which is currently 67.50 Euro, so there is that.

New regimental Standard is up, and neatly explains why the support weapons come in batteries of 2

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/16/the-regimental-standard-field-ordnance-battery-instruction-for-the-common-guardsman/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_16th_January_Regimental_Standard_ENG_&utm_content=&utm_term=

 Flinty wrote:
New regimental Standard is up, and neatly explains why the support weapons come in batteries of 2

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/16/the-regimental-standard-field-ordnance-battery-instruction-for-the-common-guardsman/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_16th_January_Regimental_Standard_ENG_&utm_content=&utm_term=

My first thought was that 'firepower' and 'wasteful' in the same context is probably the most un-Guard-y thing ever... but then I realized that it is the Astra Militarum now so it's okay .

Yeah, I get it's a joke and whatever, but even ironically it's pretty weak.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I take it the availability of the psyker means we're never getting that Blackstone Fortress sprue reissued, even as a MTO or something.

Sigh.

The Community site is wrong. She wasn't part of Blackstone Fortress, but the much more niche Combat Arena Box game, along with the Techno Archeologist that was released on his own for AdMech recently, a Crusader, Servitor, and Rogue Trader.

The Community site is correct, the sprue is originally from the Blackstone Fortress: Escalation expansion which is out of print and very hard to find, but that sprue was reused for Combat Arena in the US.

 The Phazer wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I take it the availability of the psyker means we're never getting that Blackstone Fortress sprue reissued, even as a MTO or something.

Sigh.

The Community site is wrong. She wasn't part of Blackstone Fortress, but the much more niche Combat Arena Box game, along with the Techno Archeologist that was released on his own for AdMech recently, a Crusader, Servitor, and Rogue Trader.

The Community site is correct, the sprue is originally from the Blackstone Fortress: Escalation expansion which is out of print and very hard to find, but that sprue was reused for Combat Arena in the US.

Not only in the US. I bought Combat Arena here for about the price they are now listing for just the psyker (never played the game, only wanted the models). Which shows again how whacky their prices are.


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Just had a look. The next Combat Arena is going to cost less than 23 Euros.

https://www.thalia.de/shop/home/artikeldetails/A1063782469

Time to find out how the bashing of KT DKoK kit vs nuCad Artillery kit is going to end up like

 tauist wrote:
Time to find out how the bashing of KT DKoK kit vs nuCad Artillery kit is going to end up like

I said this when the Cadia Stands box dropped, but it bears repeating:

The field ordnance pieces can be built without crew on them. If you're not opposed to going through FW, the Heavy Artillery Crew figures are pretty close in size to the plastic DKoK...and would be able to hold the "loose" shells/rockets.