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Haighus wrote: Light infantry in Imperial terms just means an absence of vehicles (I think excluding Sentinels).
The new codex does have a whole paragraph-long description of Light Infantry Regiments and it actually mentions that these regiments can be mechanized and contain tanks, it just doesn't happen often.
They'd need stuff like trucks, limbers, staff cars or jeeps, carriages and other such small, usually non-represented stuff anyway, some players like to have a couple of these as objective markers or terrain pieces.
Haighus wrote: Light infantry in Imperial terms just means an absence of vehicles (I think excluding Sentinels). They don't necessarily have an infiltration specialisation. The Cadian 8th, for example, is standard infantry because it has a number of Chimeras that can be used to mechanise some of the infantry, but not enough for the whole regiment.
Valhalla has been known to raise massive light infantry regiments 130000 strong- I highly doubt these are all infiltration specialists.
So the Tanith could absorb new troops and easily remain light infantry if it is issued no vehicles.
You're missing my point entirely here. Just because the Tanith 1st was founded as a Light Infantry Regiment, does not mean that the Tanith 2nd, 3rd, or even 40th are going to stick to the same tactics and equipment.
We don't have any info on what happened to the Tanith Regiment after the Sabbat Worlds Crusade beyond Gaunt being an Imperial hero in the same vein as Yarrick, Macharius, or Creed.
All I'm saying is that with 300 years of losses, replacements, and new Regiments raised from the two new worlds the Tanith gained reinforcements from, it's reasonable for there to be vehicle elements of the Regiment by Current-Year.M41.
Haighus wrote: Light infantry in Imperial terms just means an absence of vehicles (I think excluding Sentinels).
The new codex does have a whole paragraph-long description of Light Infantry Regiments and it actually mentions that these regiments can be mechanized and contain tanks, it just doesn't happen often.
They'd need stuff like trucks, limbers, staff cars or jeeps, carriages and other such small, usually non-represented stuff anyway, some players like to have a couple of these as objective markers or terrain pieces.
The codex mentions tank companies being included in Light Infantry Regiments. So slapping a Tanith sticker on a Leman Russ is legit.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Why on earth has it got no bottom? Has that been the case with any other vehicles in recent memory? Such an odd and as Kyoto says, cheap, decision.
One can only imagine the reasons. I'm sure the marketing team is working now to make it sound like a customer-friendly bonus.
$35 accessory sprue consisting of a hull plate and 2 jerry cans?
$50 resin hull plates with custom regiment insignia?
Regimenal Standard article explaining that true sons of the Emperor fear no attacks from below?
How often do you actually look at the bottom of a russ or predator or baneblade? Big flat panels take up a lot of sprue space. Some kits do need a bottom, especially with interiors, but for a big tank like this, I can live without a big piece of flat plastic I will never look at.
Back when we left wrecked tanks on the table I’d flip over rhinos that were destroyed. Now that everything is just removed, less of a need for bottom details. I can’t say I’m happy about this trend, but if it saves a sprue and bumping the kit up a few price brackets, I can see the point.
Heaven forbid that the multi-million pound corporate behemoth should spend a couple of extra pence on an extra sprue per £55 (!) kit to give the model an underside...
jullevi wrote: If I buy Rogal Dorn from GW Australia, is it missing top or bottom?
Either way it'll be a $100 extra
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Lord Damocles wrote: Heaven forbid that the multi-million pound corporate behemoth should spend a couple of extra pence on an extra sprue per £55 (!) kit to give the model an underside...
In all my years these are literally the only kits I bought that left off the hull.
So basically GW is keeping company with Bronekorpus now.
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Nevelon wrote: Back when we left wrecked tanks on the table I’d flip over rhinos that were destroyed. Now that everything is just removed, less of a need for bottom details. I can’t say I’m happy about this trend, but if it saves a sprue and bumping the kit up a few price brackets, I can see the point.
Maybe it’s a sign to make Burny smoky effects which sit in the inevitable void?
Not the inevitable void of my soul. That already has Burny smoky effects.
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Lord Damocles wrote: Heaven forbid that the multi-million pound corporate behemoth should spend a couple of extra pence on an extra sprue per £55 (!) kit to give the model an underside...
The nominal cost of the raw material for the extra sprue might be pennies but designing, engineering and cutting an additional steel tool costs hundreds of thousands of pounds, plus the opportunity cost of the machine producing that sprue not producing something else (which might be a whole other kit), plus extra handling time during packing and so on. Games Workshop operates to a high gross margin; they're not going to throw an extra sprue in without increasing the cost, likely to £70 or £75. People seemed pleasantly surprised at the price of the Rogal Dorn; omitting the bottom of the tank because of lack of space on the allotted number of sprues is the flip side of that.
Lord Damocles wrote: Heaven forbid that the multi-million pound corporate behemoth should spend a couple of extra pence on an extra sprue per £55 (!) kit to give the model an underside...
The nominal cost of the raw material for the extra sprue might be pennies but designing, engineering and cutting an additional steel tool costs hundreds of thousands of pounds, plus the opportunity cost of the machine producing that sprue not producing something else (which might be a whole other kit), plus extra handling time during packing and so on. Games Workshop operates to a high gross margin; they're not going to throw an extra sprue in without increasing the cost, likely to £70 or £75. People seemed pleasantly surprised at the price of the Rogal Dorn; omitting the bottom of the tank because of lack of space on the allotted number of sprues is the flip side of that.
Hundreds of 1000s of pounds? I know inflation is up and all but even back in the day people didn't claim it cost that much to machine a sprue.
Lord Damocles wrote: Heaven forbid that the multi-million pound corporate behemoth should spend a couple of extra pence on an extra sprue per £55 (!) kit to give the model an underside...
The nominal cost of the raw material for the extra sprue might be pennies but designing, engineering and cutting an additional steel tool costs hundreds of thousands of pounds, plus the opportunity cost of the machine producing that sprue not producing something else (which might be a whole other kit), plus extra handling time during packing and so on. Games Workshop operates to a high gross margin; they're not going to throw an extra sprue in without increasing the cost, likely to £70 or £75. People seemed pleasantly surprised at the price of the Rogal Dorn; omitting the bottom of the tank because of lack of space on the allotted number of sprues is the flip side of that.
Hundreds of 1000s of pounds? I know inflation is up and all but even back in the day people didn't claim it cost that much to machine a sprue.
Yeah, that should have said tens – sorry, brainfart; I was mentally flitting between that and the following point about opportunity cost, which might well be hundreds of thousands of pounds over the lifetime of the kit. Fair point.
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Lord Damocles wrote: GW machines dozens or hundreds of new steel moulds every year. It's really not the great hurdle people make it out to be.
But that sprue for the bottom of the tank is a whole other kit they didn't make, hence the opportunity cost.
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Mr_Rose wrote: Have any reviewers shared photos of the underside of the completed kit? I kinda want to know what sort of size gap we’re talking about here.
I would say it's pretty bad.
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Mr_Rose wrote: Have any reviewers shared photos of the underside of the completed kit? I kinda want to know what sort of size gap we’re talking about here.
Mr_Rose wrote: Have any reviewers shared photos of the underside of the completed kit? I kinda want to know what sort of size gap we’re talking about here.
I would say it's pretty bad.
Honest question: why? It looks like it's a square-ish hole, way beyond where it would be visible in normal gaming of even diorama use. If it bothers you, it's fixable by cutting a square of cardboard or plasticard and glueing it in. If that saved another 10$ or whatever from the box including one more sprue, that's a pretty good deal. I understand that it looks cheap and is something you can easily make fun of, but i totally fail to see any actual problem or issue. If you can assemble the model you also have the skill to cut a square out of any random material you have in your stash.
Great sprues for the Astra Militarum fans. I particularly like the foot soldiers and sentinel but still would rather get Kasrkin from Killteam whenever thats available? to fill my need of a few starship troopers or aliens colonial marines.
Regarding the bottom of the tank, I'm really not much of a vehicle fan but kind of OCD with that sort of thing, I would probably build one from plasticard since to me that feels like an incomplete and unfinished model kit.
Saves money? Well this is the Ferrari of model kits right? Best in the world correct?
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NAVARRO wrote: Great sprues for the Astra Militarum fans. I particularly like the foot soldiers and sentinel but still would rather get Kasrkin from Killteam whenever thats available? to fill my need of a few starship troopers or aliens colonial marines.
Regarding the bottom of the tank, I'm really not much of a vehicle fan but kind of OCD with that sort of thing, I would probably build one from plasticard since to me that feels like an incomplete and unfinished model kit.
Saves money? Well this is the Ferrari of model kits right? Best in the world correct?
Back when the prices for this batch of stuff were announced, a couple of people mentioned that the Dorn was cheaper than they feared. If compromises like this are the price for this i think a majority of players would take that deal
Regarding the Ferrari: i remember having a Revell kit for some airplane where you had, per the instructions, have to cut of a piece of sprue, melt it with a lighter, and use the resulting molten plastic to weld on some sort of gubbin' - it's only fun if it's highly carcinogenic
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