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Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Great sprues for the Astra Militarum fans. I particularly like the foot soldiers and sentinel but still would rather get Kasrkin from Killteam whenever thats available? to fill my need of a few starship troopers or aliens colonial marines.

Regarding the bottom of the tank, I'm really not much of a vehicle fan but kind of OCD with that sort of thing, I would probably build one from plasticard since to me that feels like an incomplete and unfinished model kit.

Saves money? Well this is the Ferrari of model kits right? Best in the world correct?

Back when the prices for this batch of stuff were announced, a couple of people mentioned that the Dorn was cheaper than they feared. If compromises like this are the price for this i think a majority of players would take that deal

Regarding the Ferrari: i remember having a Revell kit for some airplane where you had, per the instructions, have to cut of a piece of sprue, melt it with a lighter, and use the resulting molten plastic to weld on some sort of gubbin' - it's only fun if it's highly carcinogenic

I have nightmares of the airplanes I destroyed back then when I was a noob and did not wait for the glue to dry. But instructions to melt the sprues now thats something!
I have had some tamiya kits and man, those are some clever and top class vehicle sprues. GW is a hit and miss regarding vehicles IMO. A shame they missed that square in the bottom but easy enough fix if it bothers you. Would drive me nuts not to have it

It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

Just fill the gap with Liquid Green Stuff.

jullevi wrote:
Just fill the gap with Liquid Green Stuff.

Have you 1) used liquid green stuff or 2) seen the gap? I would suggest those are great places to prep for entering this discussion.

caladancid wrote:
It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

"T-they're a b-b-b-business! They have to make money!"

GW could sacrifice babies and some people would defend it as them being eco-friendly.

caladancid wrote:
It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

Gonna depend entirely upon how solid the kit is.

I’m not defending it as a new status quo, but if the kit remains solid and durable without a part no one is ever going to see, I can’t say it would bother me.

This also extends to the building of the kit. A baseplate/bottom can help an otherwise wobbly kit really come together during assembly. But with the right design, I can see why it’s not a necessity.

caladancid wrote:
It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

Ummm...so you would prefer no hole but higher price?

tneva82 wrote:

caladancid wrote:
It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

Ummm...so you would prefer no hole but higher price?

That sure is the only possible alternative.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

caladancid wrote:
It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

Ummm...so you would prefer no hole but higher price?

That sure is the only possible alternative.

You should be GRATEFUL you even get most of a kit for your money! GW are charitable enough not to sell you 1/4 of one in a lucky-dip box, you entitled swine!

Thank you New Games Workshop!

I think most of the replies are offering context rather than defending GW, aren't they? I think the prices are often too high and frequently higher than I'm personally willing to pay. We can all think GW should be more generous but that's just wishlisting. Take your pick between that and 'defending' GW.

It makes sense actually, you can imagine someone looking at the sprue layouts and saying, “what’s that big flat but there taking up quarter of a sprue?”

“It’s the bottom of the tank”

“Can you even see that?”

“Nah”

“Then why bother?”

“Donno, just always had it”

“We could for more guns on the sprue with out it!”

Tea and biscuits all round.

Just fill the hole with all the left over bits of sprue and save on having to chuck it all in the bin.

For those with a Dorn all ready:

What diameter is the turret ring? Is it close to a Baneblade?

If they are near the same, would anyone be willing to take a picture of a Baneblade turret on top of a Rogal Dorn Hull?

That bottom is the most ghetto garage kit behavior. I don't enjoy paying a premium price for that type of kit. This is not the late 80's early 90's get your fecal matter together GW.


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Side note. Using a hot screw driver to melt plastic was the norm for connecting the tracks on Tamiya tank kits and making functional hatches back in the day

Mozzamanx wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Have any reviewers shared photos of the underside of the completed kit? I kinda want to know what sort of size gap we’re talking about here.

Spoiler:

I would say it's pretty bad.

lol, you people losing your nonsense over this when there's been a bunch of kits over the past decade doing similar things but no complaints to be heard.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Have any reviewers shared photos of the underside of the completed kit? I kinda want to know what sort of size gap we’re talking about here.

Spoiler:

I would say it's pretty bad.

lol, you people losing your nonsense over this when there's been a bunch of kits over the past decade doing similar things but no complaints to be heard.

Which other vehicles don't have bottoms?

Asking so that I can be disdainful of them as well.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

caladancid wrote:
It is strange to see people defending the cheap decision to leave the bottom open.

GW charges premium prices...you should expect premium product.

Ummm...so you would prefer no hole but higher price?

That sure is the only possible alternative.

Yes. GW is going to require a certain profit margin on any kit they sell. Adding a sprue, even a half sprue to get that bottom plate is going to cost more money. There is the mold, the production, the transportation, and the packaging that would all cost extra money. GW isn't going to give you all that for free.

The Skorpius Dunerider kit doesn't have a bottom.

Which is why I never got one.

I primarily buy 40k models for modelling purposes, so it really does not appeal to me.

I'm also of the opinion that when you pay 70 euros for a premium plastic tank, it's a bit weird when you don't get a complete tank.

Andykp wrote:
It makes sense actually, you can imagine someone looking at the sprue layouts and saying, “what’s that big flat but there taking up quarter of a sprue?”

“It’s the bottom of the tank”

“Can you even see that?”

“Nah”

“Then why bother?”

“Donno, just always had it”

“We could for more guns on the sprue with out it!”

Tea and biscuits all round.

Again all about the build and final model.

If it’s solid without during build and after completion? I agree no harm done. But, if the end result is structurally weak as a result of its absence? Quite the opposite.

But those calling a tank model with a bottom plate you never see an ‘incomplete piece of plastic’ need to belt up. If it’s the former of the above.

These entitled 'gamers' (yuck!) expecting a full product should be ashamed. The hard working staff at GW took all the time, effort and expense(um hello they're a BUSINESS) to cut corners so we can buy their product at less cost to them and STILL people are whining!

I hope GW only sell us half the tracks, less weapon options and zero crew next time so that my favorite company make even more money. You can just cover it with Stirland Battlemire(tm) anyway if that's not good enough for you (none of that icky Vallejo garbage though, keep anything not from GW away from my table thank you very much!). Imagine how much plastic and money they'll save from only having flat, detailess tracks. The possibilities for this new, exciting, eco friendlier technique are endless, why I hope they sell us only half of an entire kit so I get double the dopamine hits buying two boxes!

Thank you GW! I hope you keep finding new, innovative ways to show the greedy gamers who is boss.

Your tank has no bottom.

But otherwise has all the guns and gubbins it should have in the game.

Please. Explain how that’s not a complete kit?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Your tank has no bottom.

But otherwise has all the guns and gubbins it should have in the game.

Please. Explain how that’s not a complete kit?

 RomanHockeyAlligator wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Your tank has no bottom.

But otherwise has all the guns and gubbins it should have in the game.

Please. Explain how that’s not a complete kit?

I really want to see the full sized Rogal Dorn tank now.

Very funny.

You know what the point was.

And the point is that at such a high price Games Workshop charges for their models, you'd expect them to put in the extra effort to actually make their model tank look like a miniaturized version of a full-sized tank from every possible angle.

This would be commonly considered literally unacceptable from something like Italeri or Tamiya.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Your tank has no bottom.

But otherwise has all the guns and gubbins it should have in the game.

Please. Explain how that’s not a complete kit?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Please. Explain how that’s not a complete kit?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Your tank has no bottom.

It’s a game piece, so your anal definition of a scale model doesn’t matter 😂


Nobody tell these guys that GW’s fliers and Great Unclean One have been completely hollow with gaping holes in the bottom of the kit for years.

Observations: So the Rogal Dorn tank is big and could double as a paper weight on my desk.

If however I fill it's hollow interior with sand and then plasticard underneath it could double as a door stop.

Or

I guess if coins can slot through its turret top hatch it could also double as a piggy bank. If I place some removable underside of course.

Would be kind of cool rocking up to a bank and asking them to count coins from a bad ass tank piggy bank.

It's a game piece, but it is also a very explictly premium model kit sold by a very explictly premium model company that usually produces stuff with a quality matching the price.

One can imagine why obvious corner cutting in such a scenario would be irritating to certain people.

This doesn't ruin the model for me, but I would still like the model better if it wasn't the case and as such I'm not going to buy it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 RomanHockeyAlligator wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Your tank has no bottom.

But otherwise has all the guns and gubbins it should have in the game.

Please. Explain how that’s not a complete kit?

Of what?

Of the fictional Roman Dorn Battle Tank, which, presumably, does not possess a gaping hole in the middle of its underside through which the crew comically falls out of.

@ Grotsnik It's not a complete kit because it's physically not complete. There's a big hole in the tank. It doesn't matter that you can't see the big hole during average game situations. It still has a big hole in it.

And some of us like to regard our toys as more than just gaming pieces - in which case having a big hole in the tank is more obvious.