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BL released a preview of the upcoming novel "Rogal Dorn 356"
With a crash the mighty Rogal Dorn 356 medium battle tank smashed through the rebels' barbed wire and broke through their lines. Heavy stubber fire drove the cowards before them like rats.
"Emperor's Gondads!" Sgt Smitty ejaculated loudly "It's a good thing the Imperial Guard has, and has always had, the mighty Rogal Dorn medium battle tank!" he correctly said, for in fact the Imperial Guard had always had the Rogal Dorn medium battle tank, even if no one ever mentioned it before it was still there just out of the frame.
Smitty clanged on the side of the turret with the hilt of his sword.
"Hendrick, take out that bunker!"
The Rogal Dorn medium battle tank's oppressor cannon roared and the bunker vanished in tremendous explosion. Sgt Smitty laughed, at this rate there'd be no one left for his to hit with his sword once they reached the enemy's main force.
"Reload Hendrick and target that artillery bank!"
"Sorry sarge, I cann't!"
"What?" Smitty ejaculated loudly.
"The shells sir, they done fell out the gaping hole at the bottom of the tank!"
Smitty looked down at the gaping hole in the hull of the tank the Emperor had placed there to save millions of Space Dollars and sighed.
"Turn her around Hendrick, guess we have to go back to base."
And with that the mighty Rogal Dorn Medium Battle Tank, available in a store near you just $95 ($278 Australian), turned back to base for the third time that day.
I for one can't wait.
I hear there's an awesome scene where cultists infiltrate the tank through the gaping hole and the crew has to fight them off in hand-to-hand.
Get yourself some toothpicks and glue them on the inside, pointing down - reverse punji trap against Raveners and Trygons once they become the new meta. Made for 10th edition™!
So lemme get this straight.... this is an incomplete tank kit.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
I'm sure GW will be rushing to produce a "Regal Dorn hull accessory" sprue with the requisite large flat piece of plastic. Y'all want to pay its weight in gold and blood, right?
I actually think the lack of bottom hull plate was an intentional feature.
Guard players always go on about wanting more regiments, and they have been lacking since they retired the mordians, steel legion, vostroyans, tallarn, and vostroyan, and praetorian, and elysians, old cadians, last chancers, and other model ranges.
One idea might be upgrade sprues. Now some people would say, make upgrades for cadians and krieg to turn them into steel legion and valhallans and whatever else they could.
Boom, guard players all get their regimental modeling options back, single sprue same size as a character sprue, sell for $35 USD or $150 AUD
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GW could easily have put the underplate on the sprue if they'd left off the numerous stowage accessories and wotnot. When people complain about it being missing, they'll take the message that people don't like extras on their sprues.
Not Online!!! wrote: So lemme get this straight.... this is an incomplete tank kit.
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What’s incomplete about it?
Does it have a bottom plate for the tank? No.
Is the kit meant to and it’s just some kind of oversight? Also no.
Does it in anyway impact the usage of the model? Also no.
The base plate missing remains an odd design choice. But it by no means renders the kit incomplete.
It's incomplete because it doesn't have the parts to build a complete model of a tank. Unless you know of any tanks without bottom hulls?
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Crimson wrote: In what situation people expect to observe the lack of the bottom plate?
When I'd be painting it. And every time I picked it up to look at it thereafter.
Do you... want to paint the bottom plate overly? Do you pick you tanks up and turn them upside down to look at them? Do you hold them like a sandwich or something? It'd never arise during gameplay in any meaningful way that I can think of.
Bottom plate or not, it sold out very quickly, so either people are complaining but still buying it, or there’s plenty of folk who don’t care that their “not at all a scale model” has an invisible hole in the bottom.
Andykp wrote: Bottom plate or not, it sold out very quickly, so either people are complaining but still buying it, or there’s plenty of folk who don’t care that their “not at all a scale model” has an invisible hole in the bottom.
Not Online!!! wrote: So lemme get this straight.... this is an incomplete tank kit.
for premium £$CHF€
What’s incomplete about it?
Does it have a bottom plate for the tank? No.
Is the kit meant to and it’s just some kind of oversight? Also no.
Does it in anyway impact the usage of the model? Also no.
The base plate missing remains an odd design choice. But it by no means renders the kit incomplete.
It's incomplete because it doesn't have the parts to build a complete model of a tank. Unless you know of any tanks without bottom hulls?
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Crimson wrote: In what situation people expect to observe the lack of the bottom plate?
When I'd be painting it. And every time I picked it up to look at it thereafter.
But…it’s not a historical scale model?
People are getting awfully upset over big load of nothing here. Literally.
No, it isn't a "historical scale model", but it is a model, and a $90 model at that. And $90 isn't a "big load of nothing". For that price, you should get the full model. Especially considering that gw has produced similarly sized tank models recently, for a lower price, that are the full model.
And I'm not upset, I'm disappointed. One thing that I do expect from gw is quality models. They may be expensive, but you get good models from them. A tank that's missing a major structural part isn't "quality", IMHO. If it's good enough for you, buy it. Enjoy. But I wouldn't pay $90 for one, myself, even if they do add it to the R&H or Cults and Militia lists.
Not Online!!! wrote: So lemme get this straight.... this is an incomplete tank kit.
for premium £$CHF€
What’s incomplete about it?
Does it have a bottom plate for the tank? No.
Is the kit meant to and it’s just some kind of oversight? Also no.
Does it in anyway impact the usage of the model? Also no.
The base plate missing remains an odd design choice. But it by no means renders the kit incomplete.
It's incomplete because it doesn't have the parts to build a complete model of a tank. Unless you know of any tanks without bottom hulls?
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Crimson wrote: In what situation people expect to observe the lack of the bottom plate?
When I'd be painting it. And every time I picked it up to look at it thereafter.
Do you... want to paint the bottom plate overly? Do you pick you tanks up and turn them upside down to look at them? Do you hold them like a sandwich or something? It'd never arise during gameplay in any meaningful way that I can think of.
Yes, I paint the bottom plate of my tanks. With weathering, and some blood around the treads to show where my guys have been grinding their enemies beneath them (Night Lords ). Yes, I look at my models. No, I don't "hold them like a sandwich, or something".
It's a small disappointment. It breaks the illusion whenever anyone picks it up to examine it. It stops you being able to flip it over when it's wrecked. It's a flaw you know is there even when you're not looking at it.
I was already not planning to get one, although I was very tempted when we saw the first previews. The reason I'm not getting it is because I don't quite have shelf space and I'm not quite sure it matches with the boxiness of my baneblade and leman russes. If I'd been a bit closer to the fence though... this might have been enough to put me back off.
Andykp wrote: Bottom plate or not, it sold out very quickly, so either people are complaining but still buying it, or there’s plenty of folk who don’t care that their “not at all a scale model” has an invisible hole in the bottom.
Crimson wrote: In what situation people expect to observe the lack of the bottom plate?
There are many hobbists that are into 40K just to paint the models, and do so because GW models are incrediblely detailed. The kind of people that paint the dials on the interior of a plasma gun that you can only see when you turn that miniature upside down. You can imagine that that type of hobbist is not going to appreciate the lack of the bottom plate.
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I would say I am surprised at people defending a greedy corporation but I am not. The tank looks like a cheap bargain bin child's toy, I guess GW wanted to make it feel like one too when held
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The hyperbole doesn't really help foster sensible discussion.
Ultimately, regardless of their price tag, the primary function of GW kits is as gaming tokens, not scale models. While I can certainly see why people would be somewhat taken aback at a scale model missing a large chunk of the hull, in this specific case it's a piece of the underside that is not going to be seen when the model is used for its intended purpose. It's not really any different to crates cast as a single piece with no underside.
Looking at the sprues, I don't see any viable way of including that bottom plate without either cutting an awful lot of other components or adding an additional sprue... which would have pumped up the cost of the kit and potentially created packaging issues. So my guess would be that this was a trade-off made during tooling to stay within budget as they really wanted to include all of the available gear options.
It's obviously not everyone's preference, but is not really that surprising. And wouldn't be difficult to fill in.
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I think the lack of the bottom hull changes the feel of the kit overall. It might seem like a relatively inconsequential part to some that you aren't going to look at much, but to me it's like that piece missing changes it from something that wants to be a proper model kit of a sci-fi tank to something faker that doesn't actually care that much. It feels just lazy and the connotation of it is offputting.
Mentlegen324 wrote: ... but to me it's like that piece missing changes it from something that wants to be a proper model kit of a sci-fi tank to something faker that doesn't actually care that much.
That's just it, though... It's not a 'proper model kit'. GW don't make scale models. They make toys for wargaming.
If anything, this is a better design choice than all of the swirly gak they've been using to suspend models in the air over the last few years, which really does impact the model's utility as a gaming piece.
Yeah, 'proper' is a loaded term. For me, the distinction is around intended purpose.
A scale model is supposed to be an exact (allowing for scale) replica of the thing it is representing. Having pieces missing to save sprue space on this sort of model would be a little weird.
A wargaming model is a physical representation of a set of gaming stats, and often by necessity has missing or distorted details as a result of manufacturing limitations and usage considerations. Having pieces missing that have no impact on the function of the model in-game make it less polished as a thing to look at, but ultimately don't detract from the actual, intended purpose of the model.
insaniak wrote: A wargaming model is a physical representation of a set of gaming stats, and often by necessity has missing or distorted details as a result of manufacturing limitations and usage considerations. Having pieces missing that have no impact on the function of the model in-game make it less polished as a thing to look at, but ultimately don't detract from the actual, intended purpose of the model.
But then how far do you take that? Removing the detail on the tracks and having a flat surface instead of individual links would make it less nice to look at but have zero impact on its function as a game piece. 40k's models are intended for use as game components but they are also intended to be purely aesthetic pieces and that aesthetic use is at least as important as their gaming functions.
14000 points 
). Yes, I look at my models. No, I don't "hold them like a sandwich, or something".
