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Aecus Decimus wrote:
Bobug wrote:
It's got.way more popular since v2 came out and it's.continuing to grow.


Way more than zero is still not very much.

As for "dumpster fire of rules" it really isn't.


The Contemptor Dreadnought wishes to dispute this claim. Even 40k doesn't have anything that egregiously bad.

1. The first iteration of 30k didn't have zero players, what are you smoking?
2. To claim 40k has nothing equal to, or worse, than the Contemptor shows you really don't know what you're talking about. You really forget we just had a brand new army get nerfed BEFORE the release because of how overpowered the rules were?
   
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EviscerationPlague wrote:
1. The first iteration of 30k didn't have zero players, what are you smoking?


Literally zero? No. So few that when the one person at GW who cared about 30k died GW collectively shrugged and didn't bother to replace him? Yep.

2. To claim 40k has nothing equal to, or worse, than the Contemptor shows you really don't know what you're talking about. You really forget we just had a brand new army get nerfed BEFORE the release because of how overpowered the rules were?


Highlighted the important part for you. Pre-nerf squats were broken but GW fixed their mistake before the book was even released. People played some theoryhammer games with the leaked rules but they never even made it to the official game. Contemptors have been broken since day one, arguably to a greater degree than squats, and GW hasn't made even the slightest attempt to fix the problem.
   
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You're either trolling or incredibly misinformed.
   
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Bobug wrote:
You're either trolling or incredibly misinformed.


On which part? That 30k 1.0 had dismal sales? That should be obvious from how GW completely abandoned the game when one person died. Or that Contemptors are a problem worse than anything in 40k? I can't think of any 40k balance problem that is so bad that the community has a near-universal house rule that you aren't allowed to use it.
   
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The Shire(s)

Eh, this discussion is getting into the weeds.

Clearly GW has (relatively) massive profit margins on their kits. If they wanted to include a 4th sprue at the same cost, I am sure they could have done it profitably. I am equally sure they would have chosen to make the kit more expensive to maintain a higher profit margin.

It is a disappointing decision, but hey ho. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
 
   
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This thread is in grave danger of being closed so let's move two things elsewhere.

Discussion of the Rogal Dorn hull plate (or lack thereof) here:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/808623.page#11483352

Discussion of whether or not Horus Heresy is selling here:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/91.page

PLEASE CONTINUE ANY DISCUSSION OF EITHER TOPIC IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE

 
   
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The Shire(s)

Snipped and reposted in correct thread. See below:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/808624.page

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2023/01/25 08:24:59


 ChargerIIC wrote:
If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
 
   
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 Haighus wrote:
Snipped and reposted in correct thread


Thanks!

 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Sledgehammer wrote:
So uh, nobody seemed to know, but it appears as if the Cadian command squad can still take bolters, but the new kit does not have one. Is this correct?

I've checked the Codex, Sledgehammer, and and Cadian Command Squad doesn't have any boltgun options, but the Commander and one other model could have a bolt pistol (thanks to silly equipment rules).

Looking at the Command Squad sprues, I see two arms with bolt pistols, and no sign of any boltguns at all.


Darn, I loved giving my sergeants and commanders bolters.

Either way I'll see if it possible to make a cadian castellan using some of the new arms, cutting them off at the hand and then sticking a sisters bolter on them.

It would be really easy to make it a double conversion by using two holstered las pistols on the sides of the legs and sticking a sword on the back to stand in for ursula creed.

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 Sledgehammer wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Sledgehammer wrote:
So uh, nobody seemed to know, but it appears as if the Cadian command squad can still take bolters, but the new kit does not have one. Is this correct?

I've checked the Codex, Sledgehammer, and and Cadian Command Squad doesn't have any boltgun options, but the Commander and one other model could have a bolt pistol (thanks to silly equipment rules).

Looking at the Command Squad sprues, I see two arms with bolt pistols, and no sign of any boltguns at all.


Darn, I loved giving my sergeants and commanders bolters.

Either way I'll see if it possible to make a cadian castellan using some of the new arms, cutting them off at the hand and then sticking a sisters bolter on them.

It would be really easy to make it a double conversion by using two holstered las pistols on the sides of the legs and sticking a sword on the back to stand in for ursula creed.

Yeah, the Castellan and the Krieg sergeant look to be the only ones still with bolters.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
 
   
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At least they didn't cut out the option.

Yet.


 
   
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Who still has access to the boltgun within the 'dex? Let's have a look:

- Cadian Castellan
- Platoon Commander
- Infantry Squad Sergeant (still can't have a lasgun, for... reasons)
- Death Korps Watchmaster

That seems to be it, despite an upcoming M2O having at least one Commissar with a boltgun in the offing...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Who still has access to the boltgun within the 'dex? Let's have a look:

- Cadian Castellan
- Platoon Commander
- Infantry Squad Sergeant (still can't have a lasgun, for... reasons)
- Death Korps Watchmaster

That seems to be it, despite an upcoming M2O having at least one Commissar with a boltgun in the offing...


I am forever baffled that infantry sergeants can't have lasguns.
   
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I can only think that someone at the Studio wants sergeants to appear different from the Guardsmen they lead.

Hence an autogun rather than a lasgun if a player doesn't want them to just have a pistol.

Makes no sense to me but it must make sense to someone.

   
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It's just the model that got made. Rules then have to match whatever the mini department make.

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 alphaecho wrote:
I can only think that someone at the Studio wants sergeants to appear different from the Guardsmen they lead.

It is actually a traditional aesthetic thing that started back in Rogue Trader and roots in pre-00s historical war movies like CBS' All Quiet In The Western Front and Zulu where squad leaders are often depicted wielding pistols - this was a kind of a thing IRL but it is mostly a narrative decision in the movies (rifles are too "grunt-ish").

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's just the model that got made. Rules then have to match whatever the mini department make.


Intellectually, I get this, but can't one of the sculptors do the rest of us a solid and make a sergeant with a lasgun?
   
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 AtoMaki wrote:
 alphaecho wrote:
I can only think that someone at the Studio wants sergeants to appear different from the Guardsmen they lead.

It is actually a traditional aesthetic thing that started back in Rogue Trader and roots in pre-00s historical war movies like CBS' All Quiet In The Western Front and Zulu where squad leaders are often depicted wielding pistols - this was a kind of a thing IRL but it is mostly a narrative decision in the movies (rifles are too "grunt-ish").


Iirc it mostly derived from swords being a mandatory part of officer's uniforms in many european armies -and armies modeled after them- up until WW1 or even WW2 in many cases, so a pistol to use alongside a sword followed quite naturally.
   
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 Shakalooloo wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:

I wish there was proper Gunpla distribution in the UK. Here it’s like £100 minimum if you can even get it vs £55 for the Dorn assuming I’m looking at the right mega Zaku.


https://www.gundamshop.co.uk/


I know you can get Gunpla here but as far as I’m aware there isn’t actually Bandai distribution in the UK so gunpla stores have to import stuff. So it ends up more expensive than the US who have proper distribution.
   
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Anyhow, sergeant's weapons and Rogal Dorn tanks notwithstanding, ordnance weapons work with 2nd Ed Heavy Weapons crews.

Bit of snip snip on the comedy mortar shells and the loader has a new purpose in life.









I am officially a 'happy camper'.

   
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The Shire(s)

Looks good! I would like to see how the old autocannon/heavy bolter gunners look in the seat.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
 
   
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 Haighus wrote:
Looks good! I would like to see how the old autocannon/heavy bolter gunners look in the seat.


Not the best but I may look into some leg bending and arm replacing so thd Gunner can be hands on for the elevation wheels.


   
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Richmond, VA

Great work on those! They look fantastic.
   
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I think model-wise, this is a good release. The field guns are very nice and the Cadians still seem to be very good as a basis to convert into other Regiments. Pricing on the characters is naff but the main stuff still seems ok.
   
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Looks like the Imperial Armour Compendium FAQ was updated today:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/mKjF7jJI98YgJ4Ls.pdf

Can't speak to all the changes, but noticed new datasheets at the end, plus this:
Page 60, 61 – Armageddon-pattern Basilisks, Armageddon-pattern Medusas, Malcador
Delete datasheet and replace with the corresponding datasheet at the end of this document.

Except the datasheets look like a terrible copypasta job. Armageddon-Patterns now have Regimental and Squadron keywords, but missing Artillery, and still has <Regiment>. Also no improvement to either T or Sv, with only stat difference to Codex Basilisk being M12" at top profile. Also can't take armoured tracks, so automatically it's a worse option.

Malcador is similar. No increase in Sv like LR got, battlecannon doesn't have Turret Weapon rule, etc etc.

Haven't seen a hot-take on Goonhammer yet, and the "2020/12" folder structure in the direct link is making my head hurt.



   
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Another zero-effort FW update by people who don't really understand how the rules work? I'm shocked, who could have seen this coming? I have no idea how these people are still employed.
   
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The dark hollows of Kentucky

Why didn't the Storblade get the boost to T9?

And MACHINE SPIRIT keyword finally added to the pertinent Chaos vehicles, and also.....Sicarans? But Loyalist Scum Sicarans don't get it?

Gods, having the 40k rules team take over the rules for fw units has been a disaster.
   
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KillerAngel wrote:

Haven't seen a hot-take on Goonhammer yet, and the "2020/12" folder structure in the direct link is making my head hurt.

My archivist training tells me someone did a stupid thing and saved over the old version of the pdf rather than making a new file in a new folder marked 2023/01

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Why didn't the Storblade get the boost to T9?

And MACHINE SPIRIT keyword finally added to the pertinent Chaos vehicles, and also.....Sicarans? But Loyalist Scum Sicarans don't get it?

Gods, having the 40k rules team take over the rules for fw units has been a disaster.
Well, my vendettas were once in the codex. Now they are 80 points higher in price and have a worse ballistic skill than the standard valkyrie..... sigh.....

I was looking forward to this release to get back to playing 40k, but the flyer rules continue to drive me away. I'll continue waiting for 10th.

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It's funny, in the olden days, we knew FW rules were pretty bad, and they'd never be updated with any regularity. Now they are updated all the time and constantly still bad.

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