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I think the mkvi shown above look like a person standing in an action pose vs an actual action, say running or walking, being captured as in a photo/frame of a video. It makes them look subtly off. The new mkvi look much more natural.

Either/Or wrote:
I think the mkvi shown above look like a person standing in an action pose vs an actual action, say running or walking, being captured as in a photo/frame of a video. It makes them look subtly off. The new mkvi look much more natural.

%100. I like a lot of the vehicles that FW has made, but the posture and the proportions of their marines are consistently poor, unfortunately. The new plastics are an enormous improvement.

Those mk6 just stuck on the bases like that do look odd, but they are far superior for posing and sticking in your own poses. I feel like they were designed for that rather than just to be stuck to the base in those unnatural looking "stock" poses

I have a large amount of the resin mk6 in my raven guard but also 40 of the plastic mk6 from the box and both have their pros and cons. The plastics are still wonderful for quickly putting dudes together as the stock poses are very good and each marine goes together in a couple of minutes, while the resin takes a lot longer to get a result. More potential, but a lot more work to get that potential.

Some of the issue is that normally feet are kept forwards when running, but the wide stance of older sm models and angles on some of the joints makes the legs twist instead. And also the waists on at least two of them are over twisted.

I wonder if we will get like breacher upgrade and assault upgradd.

I think a mix of the 2(plastic/resin mkvi) would give the most variety(as of yet) posing

Yes those running poses look bad, whether they're wholly unrealistic I'm not sure (I have heard that when modelling a motion like this it's better to go with a less realistic but aesthetically more pleasing pose, but like I say idk). One thing for sure I don't like is how they all have leading foot planted and trailing foot raised. I think this always looks worse when trying to convey motion, I think this configuration should be used for 20% of the squad, not 100% as is the case here.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In a rare criticism from me?

I really wish GW would sort out their website stock indicators.

1. I know it’s pretty lazy of me, but I don’t want have to, and frankly shouldn’t have to, click through to know what is and isn’t.

2. If it’s temporarily out of stock, the serial “no I don’t know what they get out of it either” whiners won’t get such open goals when something is only sold out and in fact awaiting a new production run.

it would be good wouldn't it?

but clearly they won't as their software backend isn't great given all the issues they have with it

and even if it wasn't i sadly suspect market research shows that making you click through to the actual product page to find out if it's in stock or not (if only so you can click a notify me when it's back link which it would also be nice if GW would fix)

Racerguy180 wrote:
I think a mix of the 2(plastic/resin mkvi) would give the most variety(as of yet) posing

This would be true, but the resin MKVI have:
• larger helmets
• smaller backpacks (with a different joining mechanism)
• larger hands
• shorter thighs

Therefore, mixing and matching the new plastic MKVI and older FW resin MKVI requires quite a lot of conversion work. Not sure it's wort the effort in most cases. Better to wait a while longer and getting the Assault Squad torsos to go with the 5 tac torsos we already have with the AoD kits.

Voss wrote:
Part of it is the the feet aren't flush. For most SM models these days, the boot is bent as if its in contact with the ground and as if the foot is flexing.

These are just precariously balanced (though probably blu-tacked) on the base. So they look both floaty and unnaturally stiff.

Yes! That's part of it, I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it. Though I don't think that's the only thing.

They're all flat footed.

20 or so years ago when I went to convert Blood Claws charging forward, I'd cut the "toes" off the marine and glue it at an angle like the model is springing forward. So teenage me had a better idea of how to create dynamic Space Marine poses than FW do?


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Either/Or wrote:
I think the mkvi shown above look like a person standing in an action pose vs an actual action, say running or walking, being captured as in a photo/frame of a video. It makes them look subtly off. The new mkvi look much more natural.

Yeah, it feels a bit like a static person standing in an action pose rather than an actual action shot.

I think part of it is what Voss said, but I still think there's more to it than that.

I think the weight is in the wrong place on a lot of them. I think it comes from the hips? The hips need to be leaning towards the direction of motion, but in those models they're very upright.


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Bobug wrote:
Those mk6 just stuck on the bases like that do look odd, but they are far superior for posing and sticking in your own poses. I feel like they were designed for that rather than just to be stuck to the base in those unnatural looking "stock" poses

I have a large amount of the resin mk6 in my raven guard but also 40 of the plastic mk6 from the box and both have their pros and cons. The plastics are still wonderful for quickly putting dudes together as the stock poses are very good and each marine goes together in a couple of minutes, while the resin takes a lot longer to get a result. More potential, but a lot more work to get that potential.

I'd have to see some better built versions. Certainly the torso isn't doing the models any favours, but I think the root of the problem is in the legs, so maybe you can mitigate it with better posing of the arms/torso/head but I feel like they'd still look a bit "off".

Those MKVI look so unnatural because their legs are too far apart. People run with their legs close together and straight back, where as those ones have "split" thighs like they're standing in a braced position, just with one leg thrown back. Their forward leg is also very straight, as if they're standing still, rather than bent from the impact from the previous step or ready to explode into the next. You can get a similar, and equally unnatural positioning, with a little bit of cut work on 3/5 of the MKVI in the new kit.

At best those guys look like they're taking their absolute first step in a run, but even then they're too flat flooted.

You can get pretty good running stances with 2/5 of the new MKVI, specifically the two with the left legs you attach, by simply swapping the designated legs. A little bit of filing / cutting will make the bend more dramatic and the stance believable for someone actually in motion.

 morganfreeman wrote:


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You can get pretty good running stances with 2/5 of the new MKVI, specifically the two with the left legs you attach, by simply swapping the designated legs. A little bit of filing / cutting will make the bend more dramatic and the stance believable for someone actually in motion.

Do you have any picts of such conversions? Very interested in any mods to the new MKVI kit models

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In a rare criticism from me?

I really wish GW would sort out their website stock indicators.

1. I know it’s pretty lazy of me, but I don’t want have to, and frankly shouldn’t have to, click through to know what is and isn’t.

2. If it’s temporarily out of stock, the serial “no I don’t know what they get out of it either” whiners won’t get such open goals when something is only sold out and in fact awaiting a new production run.

I just wish GW would axe that embarrassment of a website that Tom Kirbys wife made and was paid 5million£ for.

It's a relic of web design 1.0 and I know of some anglefire and geocities sites that looked more professional then it does.


I do like the DG heads. But in all honesty its really hard to mess up DG heads.

I would kill for Mk2 armour in either plastic or resin. Please bring back the old SKU's that middle management culled after Mr Bligh passed away. Stuff like the only generic Mechanicus HQ unit, the knight Atropos, the volcano cannon ordinatus, macrocarid explorer would be kinda nice.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
If we’re wishlisting id love to see some 30k terrain. Specifically pre-theocracy Imperial architecture, possibly not even ruined.

Correct. With a nice flat roof to place your tac squads on.

Death Guard MTO coming next weekend (with some random SW torsos):

Some FW order stuff next week.

Death Guard Cataphractii Shoulder Pads, MkIII Torsos and Space Wolf MkIII Shoulder Pads. And yes they again rip on the MkVI helmets, describing them as “everyone’s favourite” helmet.

Oh, excellent. The old cataphractii pads are being brought back!

 zedmeister wrote:
Oh, excellent. The old cataphractii pads are being brought back!

Didnt they only make cat pads for like 6 legions then stop?

Yeah the majority of Legions missed out.

They actually designed Cataphractii pads for all 18 legions but Tony C vetoed it and we only ever received a handful. Another galaxy brain decision from FW

 Marshal Loss wrote:
They actually designed Cataphractii pads for all 18 legions but Tony C vetoed it and we only ever received a handful. Another galaxy brain decision from FW

Source on this? Sounds like a standard FW move though.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Oh, excellent. The old cataphractii pads are being brought back!

Didnt they only make cat pads for like 6 legions then stop?

Yeah, the Alpha Legion and Iron Hands ones were particularly good

 Marshal Loss wrote:
They actually designed Cataphractii pads for all 18 legions but Tony C vetoed it and we only ever received a handful. Another galaxy brain decision from FW

If that’s true, then it probably had something to do with how much money they weren’t making on them.

With all the excitement about new plastic kits, it’s easy to forget that not long ago, Heresy was in a pretty dire state with many kits discontinued. I’m hoping we might see some of them making a return…




… macrocarid explorator.

If we're reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally lucky and all be good little boys and girls and piss in GW's pockets enough about how much we love 2.0 then maybe they'll release the rest of the cataphracii pads that good nixed.



Maybe.



Maybe...




Maybe not.

Or.... yes, maybe...

 tauist wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:


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You can get pretty good running stances with 2/5 of the new MKVI, specifically the two with the left legs you attach, by simply swapping the designated legs. A little bit of filing / cutting will make the bend more dramatic and the stance believable for someone actually in motion.

Do you have any picts of such conversions? Very interested in any mods to the new MKVI kit models

I don't know how to embed images, so here's a link to some quick pictures I took this morning

https://imgur.com/a/NG45xGW

These are pretty basic and very sloppy conversions, primarily because I didn't have any green / grey stuff on hand to gap fill and don't mind some sloppiness in general line infantry (I'll have 80+ of these mother fethers). But good for a basic idea of what you can get with a relatively simple leg swap and a little bit of cutting.

Doesn’t really count as news but they finally updated the Imperial Fists Terminator Praetor page and description to the correct armour type.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/imperial-fists-legion-terminator-praetor-2021

 morganfreeman wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:


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You can get pretty good running stances with 2/5 of the new MKVI, specifically the two with the left legs you attach, by simply swapping the designated legs. A little bit of filing / cutting will make the bend more dramatic and the stance believable for someone actually in motion.

Do you have any picts of such conversions? Very interested in any mods to the new MKVI kit models

I don't know how to embed images, so here's a link to some quick pictures I took this morning

https://imgur.com/a/Ka5Dk78

These are pretty basic and very sloppy conversions, primarily because I didn't have any green / grey stuff on hand to gap fill and don't mind some sloppiness in general line infantry (I'll have 80+ of these mother fethers). But good for a basic idea of what you can get with a relatively simple leg swap and a little bit of cutting.

Much obliged sir! I downloaded your pict and will try to reverse engineer what you did. Left legs are pieces numbered 3, 15, 21 & 28 (whole leg), So I'm assuming you just use the pieces 3, 15 and 21 with the "wrong" torsos..?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Doesn’t really count as news but they finally updated the Imperial Fists Terminator Praetor page and description to the correct armour type.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/imperial-fists-legion-terminator-praetor-2021

Wow, only took 'em months.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
They actually designed Cataphractii pads for all 18 legions but Tony C vetoed it and we only ever received a handful. Another galaxy brain decision from FW

Source on this? Sounds like a standard FW move though.

The designer told me & others at a Horus Heresy Weekender years back. Wasn't much of a surprise after Mark Bedford spoke about the same thing happening with his Myrmidon weapon packs during a seminar