Horus Heresy / 30K N&R

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**MajorWesJanson**

We do still have enough upcoming releases for another month of heresy, then they will hopefully announce some new stuff. Predator, Land Raider, and 2 missing HW kits will make for another meaty wave, painful on the wallet.

**Moopy**

beast_gts wrote:
Horus Ascended. Coming next year from FW, in resin.

Great... Can't wait for a late war dead Sanguineous. : T

Also, we get a niche assassin and yet nothing new for core units.

**queen_annes_revenge**

ADB has already written the death of curze in the night lords trilogy.

**AllSeeingSkink**

This has become a thread where I now need to worry about spoilers for the HH novels, lol.

**H.B.M.C.**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
This has become a thread where I now need to worry about spoilers for the HH novels, lol.

Spoiler:

**lord_blackfang**

Horus kills Dumbledore

**Mr_Rose**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Horus kills Dumbledore

Now that would have been a real twist ending.

**AllSeeingSkink**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Horus kills Dumbledore

Is that before or after Spock tells Horus "No, I am your Father"?

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
This has become a thread where I now need to worry about spoilers for the HH novels, lol.

Spoiler:

Horus loses.

I was very nervous on whether I should click "show spoiler" or not

**Snrub**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I was very nervous on whether I should click "show spoiler" or not

It's 100% something you already know.

If it's not, then wowee, do you have a spoiler incoming!

**MajorWesJanson**

"I was there the day Rosebud slew the emperor"

**SirDonlad**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Horus kills Dumbledore

Is that before or after Spock tells Horus "No, I am your Father"?

The reply "it's morbin' time!" from Horus was genius.

**Gert**

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
As for Horus, looks good. as usual the base is jank as hell but thats a easy fix. I don't think perty (I think it was the iron cage and offering up the Imperial Fists geneseed that elevated Perty finally to demon prince then going and playing with the daemoncabula in his spare time) and lorgar (I think logar asended on Sicarus then went into seclusion and hasn't been seen in 10,000 years or so) went full demon prince until after the siege but they may rewrite that in the books. i've only read the first two terra books so far.

Lorgar was exiled by Horus before the Siege and is likely already on Sicarus with Kor Phaeron building the new home of the Word Bearers.
The Iron Cage is when Perturabo ascends and that hasn't changed.

As for the BL books there are tons of stories yet to tell. The scouring lasted 7 years. the imperials dealing with the twin deaths of big e and mal. The traitors running for the EOT while stopping and stealing anything that isn't bolted down along the way. The IronCage with Dorn getting humbled by Perty, Death of Konrad Curze by M'Shen. The High lords sleezing their way into power and totally ruling in 'his name'. The retaking of Mars and purging of the dark mechanicum. The breaking up of the legions and the Grey knights re-appearing after years of training in the warp. I wonder if they will keep the Emperor lucid enough just to help them turn the Golden Throne into the monstrosity that it becomes and lay down some laws like Malcador the Hero, the breaking up of the Legions. Guilt tripping the remaining primarchs you know bad daddy stuff.

There is more then enough meat left on the bone to milk a Scouring Series for another decade. I hope ADB gets to write the death of Curze, I think hes earned it. I'd also like to see the Ironcage from both sides like A thousand sons/prospero burns was supposed to be.

I'd be surprised if we saw the Scouring in any great capacity as Dawn of Fire is GW's new "big series" to replace HH. At best we might get a last gathering of the Primarchs in the final Siege book where Guilliman proclaims his plans for rebuilding the Imperium but certainly not a series in the same vein as HH or even War of the Beast.
Also, ADB has done Curze's death already and the Grey Knights were let off the leash at the end of the War of the Beast around the same time the Inquisition split into the Ordos Xenos and Malleus.

**Alpharius**

I still wish we got more of the Great Crusade - now that's a setting that would be fun to game in...

And Isn't "Chaos Undivided" no longer a thing? (Or is it?)

Just who is ascending Lorgar and Perturabo, and how?

Do the big 4 still play a part...somehow?

Also, this will our chance to finally get an Omegon (as Alpharius) model!

(Will be same as existing, only without the spear?)

**H.B.M.C.**

Alpharius wrote:
And Isn't "Chaos Undivided" no longer a thing? (Or is it?)

It was, then it wasn't for a time, and now it is again.

**Alpharius**

I wasn't sure - thanks!

Do we have any pictures of Ascended Lorgar and Perturabo anywhere?

I don' think we do, but I'm not 100%.

Lorewise, post-Heresy, I think Lorgar was in a 10,000 year ~~pout~~ meditation and Petruabo was...pretty much also not doing much?

**RazorEdge**

Lorgar

**Gert**

Perturabo did some stuff but generally, the Daemon Primarchs don't really leave the Warp unless they're really bored. The Great Game is much more important to them, even those dedicated to Chaos Undivided.
He orchestrated a civil war in his Legion to purge those he viewed as weak (classic dad moment), he made a machine plague that destroyed the Forge World of Toil in M32, and he helped Abbadon invade Medusa during the 10th Black Crusade (which needs to be rewritten because its utter guff) but didn't actually fight.
Perturabo mostly spent his time gathering data on Imperial defences in Segmentum Obscurus and when the Rift opened he launched a massive invasion. Then he lost a fight with Mortarion and the Death Guard as well.

**Chairman Aeon**

xttz wrote:
Something unexpected...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/01/heresy-thursday-assassinate-enemy-infiltrators-with-their-own-weapons/

It also sounds like there may be other kinds of new assassins coming.

That's the nicest Necromunda figure in a while.

**H.B.M.C.**

RazorEdge wrote:

"When I ascended to Chaos, everything about me became more mighty. The very ground rebels at my step. The air seems to vibrate, as if my presence offends it. Small animals freeze in terror, or simply die of shock. Plantlife moves at an unnatural rate, almost as if trying to leave my presence. I truly am a vessel of Chaos, ready to bring the galaxy to heel. My mace on the other hand did not grow... and just looks really tiny in my hands now. I wish my brothers would stop laughing at that behind my back..."

**Boosykes**

RazorEdge wrote:
Lorgar

So great ape lorgar..... Lovely I fess.

**Shakalooloo**

Boosykes wrote:

So great ape lorgar..... Lovely I fess.

Well, when rolling on the Chaos attributes table, sometimes one lucks out with iron hard skin and being able to breathe fire, other times it's short legs and uncontrollable flatulence. Ya roll the dice, ya take yer chance.

**Mr. Burning**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Boosykes wrote:

So great ape lorgar..... Lovely I fess.

Well, when rolling on the Chaos attributes table, sometimes one lucks out with iron hard skin and being able to breathe fire, other times it's short legs and uncontrollable flatulence. Ya roll the dice, ya take yer chance.

Father, I accepted the gifts you chose to ref....'parp'.........

**Strg Alt**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Boosykes wrote:

So great ape lorgar..... Lovely I fess.

Well, when rolling on the Chaos attributes table, sometimes one lucks out with iron hard skin and being able to breathe fire, other times it's short legs and uncontrollable flatulence. Ya roll the dice, ya take yer chance.

**BigOscar**

Has anyone bought the decal sheet? If so, how big is it, as £20 for a sheet of decals feels incredibly high, but if it does genuinely give a long way then I guess its more palatable?

**AllSeeingSkink**

BigOscar wrote:
Has anyone bought the decal sheet? If so, how big is it, as £20 for a sheet of decals feels incredibly high, but if it does genuinely give a long way then I guess its more palatable?

Do you mean the decal sheets for the different legions? I bought the Space Wolves one back when it was still sold by FW. It's massively overpriced, but it's also pretty good. It's the size of an A4 sheet and in the case of the SW one, most of the single colour decals can be mirrors by applying them upside down (not sure if that's true for the other Legions).

The decals themselves are reasonably good quality, the carrier film is pretty thin compared to other decals I've used when building scale models which means they blend into the surface you apply them to better than a thicker decal would.

If you're interested in a sheet, see if you can find some close up pictures of it and try to figure out how far it will go, they're not all created equal. For some Legions a single sheet will cover a moderate sized army, for other Legions you might need 2 or 3.

**BigOscar**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
BigOscar wrote:
Has anyone bought the decal sheet? If so, how big is it, as £20 for a sheet of decals feels incredibly high, but if it does genuinely give a long way then I guess its more palatable?

Do you mean the decal sheets for the different legions? I bought the Space Wolves one back when it was still sold by FW. It's massively overpriced, but it's also pretty good. It's the size of an A4 sheet and in the case of the SW one, most of the single colour decals can be mirrors by applying them upside down (not sure if that's true for the other Legions).

The decals themselves are reasonably good quality, the carrier film is pretty thin compared to other decals I've used when building scale models which means they blend into the surface you apply them to better than a thicker decal would.

If you're interested in a sheet, see if you can find some close up pictures of it and try to figure out how far it will go, they're not all created equal. For some Legions a single sheet will cover a moderate sized army, for other Legions you might need 2 or 3.

Cool cheers. I was looking at the Blood Angels one as it has a ton of IX and vehicles transfers that would be useful.

My main gripe is how hard it seems to be to get squad marking transfers in high quantities. Realistically I'd like about 30 tactical marine markings, but they just don't give you those arrows in high quantities it seems and you end up having to paint them on.

**Strg Alt**

BigOscar wrote:
Has anyone bought the decal sheet? If so, how big is it, as £20 for a sheet of decals feels incredibly high, but if it does genuinely give a long way then I guess its more palatable?

I have bought the new Iron Hands decals. Top quality though if you want to create your force consisting of a single company/clan then you would need to buy an unreasonable amount of sheets. Also only the surviving clans (present in 40K in the IH chapter) have the advantage of having slightly more decals on the sheet.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Going back to the discussion about Assault Marines, what does a MkVI jump pack look like? Have GW ever released one before?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Same as MkVI I believe, so back to the twin chunky turbines from the single turbine of MkIV.

**Duymon**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Going back to the discussion about Assault Marines, what does a MkVI jump pack look like? Have GW ever released one before?

I'm assuming it'll look something similar to the Dominion Zephon figure's Jump pack