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There's even a Rite of War for Predators as Troops and Sicarans as Elite.

Yeah, that'd be the "Armoured Spearhead" ROB. Land Raiders option as dedicated transports for all, Predators as troops, Sicarans as elite, HQ must be a single Sicaran or Predator. Neat.

Can you imagine the cost of doing an Armoured Spearhead ROB-based army without the new plastic kits? I can totally see how these plastic kits are a big deal for the game. Armies which only rich whales could afford earlier suddenly become an option for mere mortals.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

Very occasionally they go up on a Saturday if they’re specialist games products that align with the specialist games releases on the Saturday, but it’s not been very often.

Almost all of the HH2.0 stuff I've bought(bar MKIII DAMN U GW!!!!) has been on discount, why is this weird?

Racerguy180 wrote:
Almost all of the HH2.0 stuff I've bought(bar MKIII DAMN U GW!!!!) has been on discount, why is this weird?

Because they are being discounted by 30%.

In the UK the discount is usually maxed out at 25%.

EDIT: I mean, of course it's unusual for newly released items to be included in a sale.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

stato wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


True. As I said, with the right discount it’s still a fairly decent price, especially given we can have four to a squadron. Just wouldn’t have said no to it being a wee bit cheaper!

Squadrons of 4 is a bit tricky given they have to all fire at the same target (excepting odd sponson or defensive weapons at nearest infantry).

2 squadrons of 4 tho, that might be interesting! and under 1000pts for most builds!

This is 30K/40K. One or two Predators would be fine. Leave squadrons of four for Epic.

If the Doc wants to run Ironwing (or another Legion's equivalent), let the guy do so - 'tis his army (and wallet), after all.

Because next year we get Epic 30K. I will be doing squadrons of Predators in that game where it is feasible. On what kind of table are you going to use a squadron of Predators anyway? Planet Bowling Ball? It just doesn´t make sense.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

stato wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


True. As I said, with the right discount it’s still a fairly decent price, especially given we can have four to a squadron. Just wouldn’t have said no to it being a wee bit cheaper!

Squadrons of 4 is a bit tricky given they have to all fire at the same target (excepting odd sponson or defensive weapons at nearest infantry).

2 squadrons of 4 tho, that might be interesting! and under 1000pts for most builds!

This is 30K/40K. One or two Predators would be fine. Leave squadrons of four for Epic.

If the Doc wants to run Ironwing (or another Legion's equivalent), let the guy do so - 'tis his army (and wallet), after all.

Because next year we get Epic 30K. I will be doing squadrons of Predators in that game where it is feasible. On what kind of table are you going to use a squadron of Predators anyway? Planet Bowling Ball? It just doesn´t make sense.

Buddy, why are you trying to tell them how to 30k/40k?

 ImAGeek wrote:

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

Very occasionally they go up on a Saturday if they’re specialist games products that align with the specialist games releases on the Saturday, but it’s not been very often.

It's real easy to determine which day. If it's on gw site saturday, fw site friday.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

stato wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


True. As I said, with the right discount it’s still a fairly decent price, especially given we can have four to a squadron. Just wouldn’t have said no to it being a wee bit cheaper!

Squadrons of 4 is a bit tricky given they have to all fire at the same target (excepting odd sponson or defensive weapons at nearest infantry).

2 squadrons of 4 tho, that might be interesting! and under 1000pts for most builds!

This is 30K/40K. One or two Predators would be fine. Leave squadrons of four for Epic.

If the Doc wants to run Ironwing (or another Legion's equivalent), let the guy do so - 'tis his army (and wallet), after all.

Because next year we get Epic 30K. I will be doing squadrons of Predators in that game where it is feasible. On what kind of table are you going to use a squadron of Predators anyway? Planet Bowling Ball? It just doesn´t make sense.

Buddy, why are you trying to tell them how to 30k/40k?

Right?

8x4' urban would provide a very interesting game and I'd play against the cranky Ork any day.

tneva82 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

Very occasionally they go up on a Saturday if they’re specialist games products that align with the specialist games releases on the Saturday, but it’s not been very often.

It's real easy to determine which day. If it's on gw site saturday, fw site friday.

Not always, which was my point (although like I said, it’s very rarely different). Very occasionally there have been Forge World releases on a Saturday alongside GW releases for the same game on the GW site. It’s usually been Blood Bowl if it happens, maybe Necromunda too.

Less of the dog piling please gents.

I want plenty of Preds because I want to run an Ironwing. Strg Alt disagrees. And…that’s fine.

Everyone just sort of relax and back in our respective boxes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Less of the dog piling please gents.

I want plenty of Preds because I want to run an Ironwing. Strg Alt disagrees. And…that’s fine.

Everyone just sort of relax and back in our respective boxes.

Dog piling?

Thank god you're not a mod

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

It might be a case of too much stuff launching at once. Most people probably haven't even finished painting their AoD box let alone all the releases since then.

Might be the economy tanked and lots can no longer afford games wkshop rediculas prices.

Wayland isn't the economy, it's not even a big player in the GW economy.

 ImAGeek wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

Very occasionally they go up on a Saturday if they’re specialist games products that align with the specialist games releases on the Saturday, but it’s not been very often.

It's real easy to determine which day. If it's on gw site saturday, fw site friday.

Not always, which was my point (although like I said, it’s very rarely different). Very occasionally there have been Forge World releases on a Saturday alongside GW releases for the same game on the GW site. It’s usually been Blood Bowl if it happens, maybe Necromunda too.

Care to provide　resin example? Note dices, plastic models etc are gw releases so gw site. Never seen fw site get models saturday.

 Arbitrator wrote:

It might be a case of too much stuff launching at once. Most people probably haven't even finished painting their AoD box let alone all the releases since then.

I actually suspect it's the opposite.

The launched lacked numerous fundamental kits, and plenty of what was there immediately sold out and was unavailable for months. Fully half of the legions are assault oriented, with at least a quarter being being "viewed" as dedicated CC forces. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness. Anyone who wanted to play World Eaters, Raven Guard, Space Wolves, Night Lords, or Blood Angels wasn't given the tools to properly begin a project for those armies. Those wanting to play Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, or several other options fared little better. Anyone wanting to play these armies can't get even begin projects including their most iconic units because the tools nearly don't exist without dumping money into the secondary market. There are technically forge world options, but then you pay even more insane prices for poorly cast stumpy munchkins.

I do applaud the fairly rapid pace at which they're getting vehicles out. But not everyone is going to run, or even want, dreads and predators. But I can confidently say every player is going to want a squad of dudes kitted out for close combat. And ontop of that almost every Legion has legion-unique CC oriented squad built on the idea of veterans. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness.

I suspect that new blood is more likely to drift away, or not even hop in to begin with, when such fundamental kits are missing.

tneva82 wrote:
Care to provide　resin example? Note dices, plastic models etc are gw releases so gw site. Never seen fw site get models saturday.

The BB Norsca Star Players were released by FW on the same Saturday as the plastic Team box was released by GW.

beast_gts wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Care to provide　resin example? Note dices, plastic models etc are gw releases so gw site. Never seen fw site get models saturday.

The BB Norsca Star Players were released by FW on the same Saturday as the plastic Team box was released by GW.

Thanks, I don’t know any actual examples off the top of my head. I just know it’s happened a couple of times because it’s not their normal pattern. Stands out.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

It might be a case of too much stuff launching at once. Most people probably haven't even finished painting their AoD box let alone all the releases since then.

I actually suspect it's the opposite.

The launched lacked numerous fundamental kits, and plenty of what was there immediately sold out and was unavailable for months. Fully half of the legions are assault oriented, with at least a quarter being being "viewed" as dedicated CC forces. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness. Anyone who wanted to play World Eaters, Raven Guard, Space Wolves, Night Lords, or Blood Angels wasn't given the tools to properly begin a project for those armies. Those wanting to play Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, or several other options fared little better. Anyone wanting to play these armies can't get even begin projects including their most iconic units because the tools nearly don't exist without dumping money into the secondary market. There are technically forge world options, but then you pay even more insane prices for poorly cast stumpy munchkins.

I do applaud the fairly rapid pace at which they're getting vehicles out. But not everyone is going to run, or even want, dreads and predators. But I can confidently say every player is going to want a squad of dudes kitted out for close combat. And ontop of that almost every Legion has legion-unique CC oriented squad built on the idea of veterans. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness.

I suspect that new blood is more likely to drift away, or not even hop in to begin with, when such fundamental kits are missing.

As a BA player who wants his army's Assault Squads to match the scale of his tac & support squads, I wholeheartedly agree. HH desperately needs more plastic infantry kits. I've postponed building my AoD box because I'm still waiting for Assault Infantry options. I've bought my Liber and even have the rulebook as epub, but I'm not going to be even close to playing the game until we get more kits to fill the Troop slots with. Got Elite & Heavy Support slots filled to the brim already, but those do not an army make..

beast_gts wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Care to provide　resin example? Note dices, plastic models etc are gw releases so gw site. Never seen fw site get models saturday.

The BB Norsca Star Players were released by FW on the same Saturday as the plastic Team box was released by GW.

The Custodes Ares gunship for AI went up for pre-order on a Saturday as well, to coincide with the release of the AI 30k book and supporting items on the main site. It happens whenever the FW resin pre-order coincides with an SG Saturday pre-order of the same game type on the main site.

At any other time the FW pre-order will be on a friday.


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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

I think you are being unduly negative. It’s a single independent website, it’s only 5-10% more than standard UK independent discounts and it is for *one week only*.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Less of the dog piling please gents.

I want plenty of Preds because I want to run an Ironwing. Strg Alt disagrees. And…that’s fine.

Everyone just sort of relax and back in our respective boxes.

Yeah, your squadrons will be as useful as a dog pile in 30K. Waste your money.

robbienw wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Care to provide　resin example? Note dices, plastic models etc are gw releases so gw site. Never seen fw site get models saturday.

The BB Norsca Star Players were released by FW on the same Saturday as the plastic Team box was released by GW.

The Custodes Ares gunship for AI went up for pre-order on a Saturday as well, to coincide with the release of the AI 30k book and supporting items on the main site. It happens whenever the FW resin pre-order coincides with an SG Saturday pre-order of the same game type on the main site.

At any other time the FW pre-order will be on a friday.


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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World releases go up at 10am on Fridays, UK time.

Thanks. I thought that it had changed to bring it in line with the GW releases, I must have dreamt it

I've just seen that a few of the Heresy releases are in Wayland's current sale, including the ranged Leviathan, Sicaran and Age Of Darkness box. I can't help but think that it's a worring sign for the health of the Heresy game as a whole?

I'm hoping that it is purely a Wayland cash flow issue, rather than an indicator of low sales. Discounting GW models so close to their release is almost unheard of.

I think you are being unduly negative. It’s a single independent website, it’s only 5-10% more than standard UK independent discounts and it is for *one week only*.

Hoping that it is a sign of a Wayland Games cash flow problem instead of an indication of low sales is unduly negative?

I see it differently. This hobby of ours has been a big part of my life since the late 1980's, I want all of GW's game systems to be successful, even the ones that I have little interest in (like Blood Bowl for instance).

It's not "negative" to see certain signs and engage in conversation about them.

I get that a lot of people on this site like to see other posters in a binary "positive" or "negative" light, but lets please leave those sort of labels for Dakka's genuine trolls.

Do we know yet what turret weapons the new Predator comes with?

Lascannons, Autocannon, Volkite, and Graviton cannon. Plus Volkite, Lascannon, Heavy Bolter, and Heavy Flamer sponsons.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Less of the dog piling please gents.

I want plenty of Preds because I want to run an Ironwing. Strg Alt disagrees. And…that’s fine.

Everyone just sort of relax and back in our respective boxes.

Yeah, your squadrons will be as useful as a dog pile in 30K. Waste your money.

Not everyone cares about table top performance...

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

It might be a case of too much stuff launching at once. Most people probably haven't even finished painting their AoD box let alone all the releases since then.

I actually suspect it's the opposite.

The launched lacked numerous fundamental kits, and plenty of what was there immediately sold out and was unavailable for months. Fully half of the legions are assault oriented, with at least a quarter being being "viewed" as dedicated CC forces. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness. Anyone who wanted to play World Eaters, Raven Guard, Space Wolves, Night Lords, or Blood Angels wasn't given the tools to properly begin a project for those armies. Those wanting to play Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, or several other options fared little better. Anyone wanting to play these armies can't get even begin projects including their most iconic units because the tools nearly don't exist without dumping money into the secondary market. There are technically forge world options, but then you pay even more insane prices for poorly cast stumpy munchkins.

I do applaud the fairly rapid pace at which they're getting vehicles out. But not everyone is going to run, or even want, dreads and predators. But I can confidently say every player is going to want a squad of dudes kitted out for close combat. And ontop of that almost every Legion has legion-unique CC oriented squad built on the idea of veterans. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness.

I suspect that new blood is more likely to drift away, or not even hop in to begin with, when such fundamental kits are missing.

I've been busy with work, but as a NL player I wasn't motivated to make time to work my through the AoD box due to a lack of Legion upgrade options, and things being out of stock almost constantly haven't helped. I'm still chugging working on my NL, but with so many things missing from options it's been a bit of a slog. At least I have good reason to take my time and customize my units with Trophies of Judgement in the meantime I guess.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

It might be a case of too much stuff launching at once. Most people probably haven't even finished painting their AoD box let alone all the releases since then.

I actually suspect it's the opposite.

<snip>

I've been busy with work, but as a NL player I wasn't motivated to make time to work my through the AoD box due to a lack of Legion upgrade options, and things being out of stock almost constantly haven't helped. I'm still chugging working on my NL, but with so many things missing from options it's been a bit of a slog. At least I have good reason to take my time and customize my units with Trophies of Judgement in the meantime I guess.

Aye, I made that post because it's exactly how I feel. My project is World Eaters and I've quickly grown tired of getting my 'baseline' of tacs set up. I want to keep going but why bother? The most basic thing I need - CC poses and arms - isn't available. I'm not going to dump hundreds of extras dollars into predators, dreads, land raiders, and heavy weapon sprues when I haven't even been provided with the most basic part of my fething army.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

It might be a case of too much stuff launching at once. Most people probably haven't even finished painting their AoD box let alone all the releases since then.

I actually suspect it's the opposite.

The launched lacked numerous fundamental kits, and plenty of what was there immediately sold out and was unavailable for months. Fully half of the legions are assault oriented, with at least a quarter being being "viewed" as dedicated CC forces. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness. Anyone who wanted to play World Eaters, Raven Guard, Space Wolves, Night Lords, or Blood Angels wasn't given the tools to properly begin a project for those armies. Those wanting to play Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, or several other options fared little better. Anyone wanting to play these armies can't get even begin projects including their most iconic units because the tools nearly don't exist without dumping money into the secondary market. There are technically forge world options, but then you pay even more insane prices for poorly cast stumpy munchkins.

I do applaud the fairly rapid pace at which they're getting vehicles out. But not everyone is going to run, or even want, dreads and predators. But I can confidently say every player is going to want a squad of dudes kitted out for close combat. And ontop of that almost every Legion has legion-unique CC oriented squad built on the idea of veterans. Launching the game without a despoiler kit / despoiler upgrade sprue for tac squads is madness.

I suspect that new blood is more likely to drift away, or not even hop in to begin with, when such fundamental kits are missing.

I think GW's plan is that everyone who wants World Eaters, Raven Guard, Space Wolves, Night Lords, or Blood Angels would come and buy all the shooty options with AoD, tanks, dreads... then turn around and also buy all the CC options when they come out in a few months.