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How much were the old full kits?

I’m not 100%, but I tthink around £60ish?

The £25 tag here is a bit steep. But, as a one-off to get the HQ for my Dread army, I can stomach it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have an honest question. Why are 30k demons different from 40k demons?

Both games have different rules. So theyre different.

So happy I got the last 3 Heretic Contemptors I wanted before they sold out. £42 with no shoulder mount or weapons, but with the new kit you get so many spare weapons that it was just a case of either printing your own shoulder block or going to Taro Modelmaker for the bit.

£25 for the torso and head is a joke. So the torso and plastic kit is now £62.50 total. The GW site actually has the Legion specific Contemptors released today as bundles for £62.50.


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/sons-of-horus-contemptor-dreadnought-2023

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have an honest question. Why are 30k demons different from 40k demons?

In addition to the fact the others have mentioned, in addition at this point most daemons are also ill-formed and ill-anchored. Unlike in 40k where they have legions of Mortals and Marines behind them to anchor them, give them a defined form, and harness their power. In 30k there is little to no united idea of what daemons should look like and very few mortals to anchor them into reality, meaning they look much more like what the individual summoners imagine they look like, rather than what the consensus is they look like.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have an honest question. Why are 30k demons different from 40k demons?

In addition to the fact the others have mentioned, in addition at this point most daemons are also ill-formed and ill-anchored. Unlike in 40k where they have legions of Mortals and Marines behind them to anchor them, give them a defined form, and harness their power. In 30k there is little to no united idea of what daemons should look like and very few mortals to anchor them into reality, meaning they look much more like what the individual summoners imagine they look like, rather than what the consensus is they look like.

I thought it was more that the Heresy represented a nearly unique event where the four gods were completely united in purpose so you could actually get true undivided daemons that just had specific attributes depending on the proportions of godstuff they incorporated.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have an honest question. Why are 30k demons different from 40k demons?

In addition to the fact the others have mentioned, in addition at this point most daemons are also ill-formed and ill-anchored. Unlike in 40k where they have legions of Mortals and Marines behind them to anchor them, give them a defined form, and harness their power. In 30k there is little to no united idea of what daemons should look like and very few mortals to anchor them into reality, meaning they look much more like what the individual summoners imagine they look like, rather than what the consensus is they look like.

I thought it was more that the Heresy represented a nearly unique event where the four gods were completely united in purpose so you could actually get true undivided daemons that just had specific attributes depending on the proportions of godstuff they incorporated.

That is not mutually exclusive, there were a lot of things ongoing with demons during the Heresy. The Word Bearers had their Gal Vorbak that were some sort of 'symbiotic possessed' with an unclear amount of that symbiosis just being a demonic trick, the TS had their spirti-familiars that were demons in disguise, there was whatever the Davinites and their godhead Madail were up to...

Random question, what are the odds we get a plastic Xiphon interceptor?

 General Kroll wrote:
Random question, what are the odds we get a plastic Xiphon interceptor?

It's a Marine vehicle, so better chance than not.

 General Kroll wrote:
Random question, what are the odds we get a plastic Xiphon interceptor?

Eventually: near 100%

Right now: rather slim

For now, they seem to be focusing on reducing the number of resin tank kits swiftly, which is probably economical because they share a lot of stuff between them, from whole hull segments to weapons and other accessories, while the Xyphon needs practically everything custom-made. I guess that it'll get done once they do flyers in general, but probably not now.

 General Kroll wrote:
Random question, what are the odds we get a plastic Xiphon interceptor?

Just my random guess, but low (but non-zero)

I would think if they were going to do a flyer it would be one of the ones that’s already a hybrid kit with the storm raven. Just toss a few more spures in the box. Leans in better to RoW and play styles for marines rather then a pure interceptor.

Again, no base in facts here, just a gut instinct.

I'd say the Xiphon is more likely than the hybrids, at least for the starting flyer line-up.

The Xiphon has seemed to be well-received in terms of design. Stormraven wasn't.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd say the Xiphon is more likely than the hybrids, at least for the starting flyer line-up.

The Xiphon has seemed to be well-received in terms of design. Stormraven wasn't.

If they wanted to do the Stormraven hybrids it would make more sense to redo the Stormraven at the same time and do a combo kit for both HH and 40k, or even remove the Stormraven alltogether and just have the hybrids in plastic. The Xyphon on the other hand needs something to intercept, which is why i personally do not think that it will released without some other plastic flyers. Plastic Thunderhawk is a near-certainity at some point, so i think they'll do some of the other flyers in the same time window, perhaps even in a themed season.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd say the Xiphon is more likely than the hybrids, at least for the starting flyer line-up.

The Xiphon has seemed to be well-received in terms of design. Stormraven wasn't.

While true, IMHO the fire raptor and storm eagle fix a lot of the issues with the stormraven. Longer hull, less crap up top. They still have all the aesthetics and aerodynamics of a thrown brick, but that’s been the marine design philosophy from way back.

All seem reasonable answers. Thanks guys.

 Nevelon wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
Random question, what are the odds we get a plastic Xiphon interceptor?

Just my random guess, but low (but non-zero)

I would think if they were going to do a flyer it would be one of the ones that’s already a hybrid kit with the storm raven. Just toss a few more spures in the box. Leans in better to RoW and play styles for marines rather then a pure interceptor.

Again, no base in facts here, just a gut instinct.

I kind of expect all three.

Xiphon as your fighter, Storm Eagle for transport, Fire Raptor for ground assault.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
So happy I got the last 3 Heretic Contemptors I wanted before they sold out. £42 with no shoulder mount or weapons, but with the new kit you get so many spare weapons that it was just a case of either printing your own shoulder block or going to Taro Modelmaker for the bit.

£25 for the torso and head is a joke. So the torso and plastic kit is now £62.50 total. The GW site actually has the Legion specific Contemptors released today as bundles for £62.50.


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/sons-of-horus-contemptor-dreadnought-2023

O-em-gee, does the torso look atrocious on plain plastic contemptor. The full resin Contemptors were 53 euros each. Now it's 81. Assuming you get your 20% discount from GW for plastic garbage 'temptor AND free shipping from FW (which you won't, because 31 euros is below free shipping threshold), it's going to be 71 euros. That's fething 18 euros increase at the minimum, maximum being 40 fething euros for a product that looks way worse than original version. What the actual feth, GW? Maybe a monthly subscription to be able to place any orders?

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd say the Xiphon is more likely than the hybrids, at least for the starting flyer line-up.

The Xiphon has seemed to be well-received in terms of design. Stormraven wasn't.

If they wanted to do the Stormraven hybrids it would make more sense to redo the Stormraven at the same time and do a combo kit for both HH and 40k, or even remove the Stormraven alltogether and just have the hybrids in plastic. The Xyphon on the other hand needs something to intercept, which is why i personally do not think that it will released without some other plastic flyers. Plastic Thunderhawk is a near-certainity at some point, so i think they'll do some of the other flyers in the same time window, perhaps even in a themed season.

Whilst I agree with you, lets all just take a moment and consider how much things have changed...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Xiphon as your fighter, Storm Eagle for transport, Fire Raptor for ground assault.

A plastic Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor would also go together correctly without the need for an advanced engineering degree.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Xiphon as your fighter, Storm Eagle for transport, Fire Raptor for ground assault.

A plastic Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor would also go together correctly without the need for an advanced engineering degree.

Yeah. Resin kits don't usually bother me, but the Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor kits' reputation has always steered me away from them. A plastic kit would be nice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Xiphon as your fighter, Storm Eagle for transport, Fire Raptor for ground assault.

A plastic Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor would also go together correctly without the need for an advanced engineering degree.

I know someone with an advanced engineering degree who bought a Storm Eagle. It didn’t help…

I built a fire raptor. It wasn't as bad as people had said. It wasn't fun, it was stressful, and having to use lots of elastic bands to create the appropriate consistent pressure down a long tube of four separate sides and multi-piece panels whilst araldite sets, knowing that if anything shifts the whole thing could fold in on itself and become unusable really wasn't fun, but it wasn't too bad...

I would love a plastic one though as it is a stunning model, and the worst of the pain was soon forgotten.

Storm Eagle kit: "Build a straight square box out of these 4 bananas"

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Storm Eagle kit: "Build a straight square box out of these 4 bananas"

One of my mates who works at gw was offered a free storm eagle recently. He said no. He still doesn't know what he did to upset them.

Thoughts on the new "campaign" book?

Hoping and expecting it will be substantially cheaper than FW black books. If so, it's about as good as a book reveal can be (ie substantially worse than a miniature reveal, unless the mini reveal is another tank, and the tank isn't a Fellblade). As to the contents of the book, obviously speculation, but I imagine as a non-wargamer it's a book I'll buy, which is an endorsement.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Thoughts on the new "campaign" book?

Sounds fine, but disappointing that they didnt reveal any models during the stream or even do a HH Thursday post.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Thoughts on the new "campaign" book?

I like that we will be getting ZM rules in book form and hopefully expanded upon.

Sounds like a good book to have, and certainly far more needed than yet another tank.

I’ve more Zone Mortalis terrain, courtesy of Necromunda stashed in my boudoir and under my fartsack than you can shake a stick at.

I’m well up for that. Spesh as it brings a very distinct flavour to the game in terms of tactical nous and list building.