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It's definitely a bit of a shame this suggests a plastic Javelin isn't coming soon.

 zedmeister wrote:

Shadow Walker wrote:Do I hear Epic?

xttz wrote:More tanks... but at 25% the size!

Oh man, if only. I just know these hopes are going to be crushed though...

Forge World is bound to need a good bit of plastic budget for The Old World. We know it's coming and we know they're making new plastic models for it. No idea if they'll also throw out some Epic, but at this stage Old World has to be far enough along for manufacturing.

But hey, maybe GW throws you a bone and still puts out this close combat Marines. They did say more plastic infantry is in the pipeline, after all.

We know the new warehouse opening has not gone to plan and their new IT systems still aren't working properly, so it might be they're pushing stuff back to give themselves breathing space.

 tauist wrote:
Something's off. I thought the plan was to port all the generic Legiones Astartes kits to plastic?

My intuition tells me this was still in the cards in 2022, but something has happened in the board rooms, and 2023 is starting to look like "back to HH 1.0 level of support" is back on table.. Making room for what? 10th Edition 40K? Epic? Something else? I mean, first we get CC resin upgrade and now more updated generic Legion resin kits?

I don't like this at all tbh, it's pointing towards plastic assault infantry becoming available next year at the earliest.. Unless they are reprioritizing kit releases so that all plastic vehicle releases get postponed and plastic infantry gets closer to release in the manufacturing cue?

chances are their logistics are so fethed and their production so behind that they finally had to see reason and prioritise. I know for a fact that a lot of HH stuff is scarcely delivered and a lot of 40k stuff also aswell locally.
The issue beeing that they will probably prioritise 40k far more, and especially marines at that, and 10th HAS to be this summer because of course GW is certainly reprioritising reccuring revenue.

 tauist wrote:
Something's off. I thought the plan was to port all the generic Legiones Astartes kits to plastic?

My intuition tells me this was still in the cards in 2022, but something has happened in the board rooms, and 2023 is starting to look like "back to HH 1.0 level of support" is back on table.. Making room for what? 10th Edition 40K? Epic? Something else? I mean, first we get CC resin upgrade and now more updated generic Legion resin kits?

I don't like this at all tbh, it's pointing towards plastic assault infantry becoming available next year at the earliest.. Unless they are reprioritizing kit releases so that all plastic vehicle releases get postponed and plastic infantry gets closer to release in the manufacturing cue?

beast_gts wrote:
We know the new warehouse opening has not gone to plan and their new IT systems still aren't working properly, so it might be they're pushing stuff back to give themselves breathing space.

I'm pretty sure WarCom said that "many" general purpose kits would move to plastic, but didn't say all of them would.

These design & production decisions are made months or years in advance of any public announcements, so it's unlikely the current warehouse situation has anything to do with it. Most likely they just assume that these units won't sell in enough volume to justify major plastic kits.

I will never buy resin tanks from Forge World. More money saved for the upcoming Epic game at the end of the year.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I will never buy resin tanks from Forge World. More money saved for the upcoming Epic game at the end of the year.

It's possible that a relaunched Epic HH might not be entirely plastic either..

It's disappointing that these kits are not going to come out in plastic immediately, but I can see some reasoning for FW. The sponson sprues themselves are already created, and cost maybe a couple cents. Tossing them in the kit lets them replace 10-20 small resin pieces with plastic versions that have more options and far better quality control. As for the kits, the mounts exist as CAD assets already for the plastic kits, and should be relatively easy to move over to the CAD files for the FW vehicles.

It wouldn't be the first stopgap hybrid kit either- After the Baneblade plastic kit came out, there were the Arkurian pattern conversion kits, with the Shadowsword and Stormsword being absorbed into the plastic Shadowsword kit when it released, and the Stormblade being modified to mount the blastgun to the plastic shadowsword hull ranter than be a full upper hull replacement set.

Shame because I probably would have bought most of these in plastic, but won’t in resin.

 tauist wrote:
Something's off. I thought the plan was to port all the generic Legiones Astartes kits to plastic?

That was players hope.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Shame because I probably would have bought most of these in plastic, but won’t in resin.

Same here - and I suspect this also holds true for many, many others too.

FW resin tanks are too expensive and too ridiculous to wrestle into shape to build oftentimes.

I see this a bit differently. I had thought that pushing these vehicles to plastic would have been a pretty massive investment - I wasn’t convinced that it made sense. So it’s actually encouraging that they just got a makeover. The Javelin is a bit more worrying, as I was convinced it was going to make the transition. Anyway, this seems neutral to me insofar as where we stand with plastic infantry.

 Alpharius wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Shame because I probably would have bought most of these in plastic, but won’t in resin.

Same here - and I suspect this also holds true for many, many others too.

FW resin tanks are too expensive and too ridiculous to wrestle into shape to build oftentimes.

Even if the price was right and the casting reasonable to good? I will always hate working with resin kits.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Shame because I probably would have bought most of these in plastic, but won’t in resin.

Same here - and I suspect this also holds true for many, many others too.

FW resin tanks are too expensive and too ridiculous to wrestle into shape to build oftentimes.

Even if the price was right and the casting reasonable to good? I will always hate working with resin kits.

You're...not wrong!

Resin puts off a lot of people as well, for various reasons, and will always limit the growth of a game to a measurable degree.

Not sure why people were hoping for huge HH kits to go plastic, they are the reason for forgeworld existing in the first place.

Landspeeder however, that's a real blow.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I doubt the prices will drop either. What a waste.

No. They're going to go up.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Everyone: "Enough! No more plastic tanks!"

*Monkey's Paw curls one finger*

Yeah they really are just taking the piss at this point. I keep telling people to be careful what they wish for.

Ugh... Javelin was that one kit I hoped to be plastic as soon as possible.

I'm surprised about the Fellblade (and it's cousins). The others are either obscure (the smaller artillery thing) or so large that they're basically the entire purview of FW (the Mastadon), but the Fellblade?

That seems absolutely ripe for the change to plastic. It's a big centrepiece, and it's the Space Marine super heavy. I'm surprised it wasn't one of the first releases in the opening salvo of releases.

The fact that we're getting/have already got the Typhon and Cerberus but not a Fellblade just doesn't make sense, other than the fact that they share sprues.

"Superheavies are the reason for FW to exist" argument makes no sense. You're effectively saying we don't want a calculator because that's the job of the abacus. /Edit - to expand, because I know that some will take this the wrong way "Making superheavies in plastic will make FW redundant so it can't happen" is like saying "Making a calculator will make the abacus redundant so Casio abacus corporation can't make their new calculators".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm surprised about the Fellblade (and it's cousins). The others are either obscure (the smaller artillery thing) or so large that they're basically the entire purview of FW (the Mastadon), but the Fellblade?

That seems absolutely ripe for the change to plastic. It's a big centrepiece, and it's the Space Marine super heavy. I'm surprised it wasn't one of the first releases in the opening salvo of releases.

The fact that we're getting/have already got the Typhon and Cerberus but not a Fellblade just doesn't make sense, other than the fact that they share sprues.

FW might see the Kratos in that role now or at least wants it to be there. Kind of like a baseline Marine superheavy to also make people buy that already bought Fellblades and stuff.

JWBS wrote:
"Superheavies are the reason for FW to exist" argument makes no sense. You're effectively saying we don't want a calculator because that's the job of the abacus. /Edit - to expand, because I know that some will take this the wrong way "Making superheavies in plastic will make FW redundant so it can't happen" is like saying "Making a calculator will make the abacus redundant so Casio abacus corporation can't make their new calculators".

Fw is way to make kits profitably is the point.

Sure if gw is in for charity everything to plastic.

But last time i checked gw is not for charity but profit.

If gw projects sales not exceed certain point resin is more profitable.

And gw aims to go for most profitable route.

Is it possible they made mistake? Yes. Gw isn't infallible. They also have more data at hand and guys whose job is to make these decision. So odds are better they are more accurate than random internet guys.

JWBS wrote:
"Superheavies are the reason for FW to exist" argument makes no sense. You're effectively saying we don't want a calculator because that's the job of the abacus. /Edit - to expand, because I know that some will take this the wrong way "Making superheavies in plastic will make FW redundant so it can't happen" is like saying "Making a calculator will make the abacus redundant so Casio abacus corporation can't make their new calculators".

We should probably ask GW directly, altho i guess the answer is high projected sales = plastic.

I think the fellblade is too niche to become a plastic kit, just like specialist necromunda characters are niche and therefore resin.

Also, i think those super large kits were a mistake to begin with ; they create expectations from players who can't use them because they are 1) too expensive 2) terrible kits to build, but they have rules and anyone rich enough to buy them and patient enough to build them will one day field them against you, and you probably won't have what it takes to take them down. Plastic flyers in 40K are the equivalent of FW superheavies : they don't belong on the tabletop for various gameplay-related reasons, but GW needed new outlets for players' wallets.

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
"Superheavies are the reason for FW to exist" argument makes no sense. You're effectively saying we don't want a calculator because that's the job of the abacus. /Edit - to expand, because I know that some will take this the wrong way "Making superheavies in plastic will make FW redundant so it can't happen" is like saying "Making a calculator will make the abacus redundant so Casio abacus corporation can't make their new calculators".

Fw is way to make kits profitably is the point.

Sure if gw is in for charity everything to plastic.

But last time i checked gw is not for charity but profit.

Aren't you the poster who is normally claiming that GW wants to get as much out of FW resin into plastic as possible, as it'll make more profit?

There's loads of FW kits that can be made more profitable if moved over to plastic, there's loads that can't. Fellblade is 100% in the more profitable category.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
"Superheavies are the reason for FW to exist" argument makes no sense. You're effectively saying we don't want a calculator because that's the job of the abacus. /Edit - to expand, because I know that some will take this the wrong way "Making superheavies in plastic will make FW redundant so it can't happen" is like saying "Making a calculator will make the abacus redundant so Casio abacus corporation can't make their new calculators".

Fw is way to make kits profitably is the point.

Sure if gw is in for charity everything to plastic.

But last time i checked gw is not for charity but profit.

Aren't you the poster who is normally claiming that GW wants to get as much out of FW resin into plastic as possible, as it'll make more profit?

No. I'm saying they want to sell their plastlc kits.

Newsflash: they have tons of kits to sell already.

If they can sell 1 plastic kit foi 1000 units it's better than 2 plastic kit for 500 each.

Basic...elementary...school...math. you should try it sometime

Nyt every kit will sell same time and just because you make 10xkits(=10 times expenses for gw) doesn't mean you sell 10xboxes.

Just because you make mastodon plastic doesn"t mean you sell enough to make it profitable on it's own. Nevermind making more profit than selling more marine kits they already have.

Next time apply reading comprehension and basic math. Saves your and my time. Having to explain this simple thing is boring waste of time since any english speaker should be able to figure it out without me having to spell it.

I really appreciate GW doing this, It provide some much needed closure, and people can hopefully move on faster.

I think it will be great to see other stuff than tanks. Supposing they dont slow down HH releases for a while.

 Fayric wrote:
I really appreciate GW doing this, It provide some much needed closure, and people can hopefully move on faster.

I think it will be great to see other stuff than tanks. Supposing they dont slow down HH releases for a while.

Yeah, the info and closure is much appreciated, that's for sure.

Still praying for a plastic javelin, but I think this is due to GW forecasting that 30k might not have sold as well as they thought. Still hope in the future, but it may not be for a few years yet.

If 30k isn't selling as well as they thought, I can think of 3 possibilities:
1, Their predictions were pants-on-head stupid
B, People haven't been able to get hold of the kits they want thanks to the warehouse issues
iii, Kits people want to buy haven't been made yet (Breachers/Assault troops/Despoilers), so they haven't spent money on them.

None of those are the fault of the game itself, merely GW's approach to supporting the game (or wider GW issues).

I don't understand why people are writing off HH because of this. It would have been nice to get these kits in full plastic soon, but for now it is a very low effort required move to add a few options and probably save some money by GW. There was mentions of more plastic infantry coming, and a rumor of some Knights moving over to plastic. A Cerastus Knight kit and variants could eat some of the big vehicle HH release budget for now.

 Snord wrote:
I see this a bit differently. I had thought that pushing these vehicles to plastic would have been a pretty massive investment - I wasn’t convinced that it made sense. So it’s actually encouraging that they just got a makeover. The Javelin is a bit more worrying, as I was convinced it was going to make the transition. Anyway, this seems neutral to me insofar as where we stand with plastic infantry.

I'm a little more positive- it gets a lot of stuff out of the way of infantry at once, and several of these kits likely make economic sense not to do in plastic.
I just think that because they rattled off a lot at once, there's a lot of disappointment that various specific favorites didn't make the jump (with a lot of people with differing favorites) Of course some of it is also some people being absolutely certain that some models were very obviously definitely gonna move to plastic because they said so, and oops, turns out they aren't.

Personally, I'm happy to move on. I can bang out a radar dish if I really want one (or raid the bits box), and the rest.. meh. I'm a little surprised at the javelin, but that's about it.