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beast_gts wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
They're surely not going to do those for each legion. Why are they not generic? Or at least loyalist/traitor?

WarCom wrote:Any Legion can take the Decurion Locus and Decurion Defensors. ... The two headline factions in The Siege of Cthonia each get their own unique Decurion miniatures – the Decurion Lanius for the Sons of Horus and the Decurion Sagittar for the Imperial Fists.

It sounds like there's 2 generic (that might share a model) and these 2 faction-locked ones for the campaign book.

If there is another generic model they probably would have shown it today so I think only the IF/SoH versions get a model and you are supposed to use the ones included with the tanks or kitbash your own for the generic Decurions

I wouldn't be shocked if each of the Legions will get a special type of Decurion while the Tank Commanders from the actual kits are meant to be the generics.

 Matrindur wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
They're surely not going to do those for each legion. Why are they not generic? Or at least loyalist/traitor?

WarCom wrote:Any Legion can take the Decurion Locus and Decurion Defensors. ... The two headline factions in The Siege of Cthonia each get their own unique Decurion miniatures – the Decurion Lanius for the Sons of Horus and the Decurion Sagittar for the Imperial Fists.

It sounds like there's 2 generic (that might share a model) and these 2 faction-locked ones for the campaign book.

If there is a special generic model they probably would have shown it today so I think only the IF/SoH versions get a model and you are supposed to use the ones included with the tanks or kitbash your own for the generic Decurions

There's also the possibilities that future legion upgrade packs come with tank commander torsos or bits.

It's not necessarily going to be Legion-specific tank commanders. Each book will likely add new consuls and named characters as was done in the past. For example, the Delegatus and Praevian were both originally Legion-specific models for the Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors.

 Snrub wrote:
So we're done with legion upgrades and dreadnoughts. Now we move on to Legion tank commanders!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/heresy-thursday-unlock-the-power-of-armoured-spearheads-with-new-legion-tank-commanders/

More stuff from Forge World to ignore. 30K becomes more ridiculous as time goes by. We want Epic 30K now! Only eight month of waiting time left.

Ho boy. The Defensor's rules are outrageously terrible. If devs thought that was worth paying points for, we might as well call it quits now and only play with the stuff that's already out.

“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

A Sicaran Punisher with a Decurion and a pintle heavy bolter fires a net total of 12 shots less than a Sicaran Punisher without those things.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Sicaran Punisher with a Decurion and a pintle heavy bolter fires a net total of 12 shots less than a Sicaran Punisher without those things.

Ouch!

When spelled out like that, it's rather brutal!

(Or less brutal, depending!)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Sicaran Punisher with a Decurion and a pintle heavy bolter fires a net total of 12 shots less than a Sicaran Punisher without those things.

So don’t mount him in a Sicaran Punisher?

So the upcoming campaign book have a distinct focus on tanks?
Makes sense now why they have been spamming plastic tanks to a game that should rely heavily on infantry.

Considering one of the main features of this book is Zone Mortalis rules, not sure "distinct focus" is the right term.

 Gert wrote:
Considering one of the main features of this book is Zone Mortalis rules, not sure "distinct focus" is the right term.

Those rules are just to represent fighting inside tanks.

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Bobug wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Or you know, read what the rule actually says.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Bobug wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Or you know, read what the rule actually says.

He'd get the volkite as they are defensive weapons and it says the unit which contains this model. A Predator Squadron is a unit, which contains the model. Is a predator the best place for a Character, probably not, but if he wants to.

We don't know if the decurion can be attached to a multiple model squadron, do we? Could be like an Armoured Spearhead tank commander who has to take a squadron of 1.

We dont know either way. It says a unit which contains this model. It makes me lean towards multivehicle squadrons.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Bobug wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Or you know, read what the rule actually says.

He'd get the volkite as they are defensive weapons and it says the unit which contains this model. A Predator Squadron is a unit, which contains the model. Is a predator the best place for a Character, probably not, but if he wants to.

It also says only the pintle weapons get double shots but what do I know.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
We dont know either way. It says a unit which contains this model. It makes me lean towards multivehicle squadrons.

A single model is still a unit.

They don't usually give that wording though, do they?

Its probably been covered, but any theories on the IF model next week? They already have their praetor models and a few special characters.

Leviathan Dread torso?

Also noticed the article calls out the Sicaran Punisher. Next plastic tank announcement?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Its probably been covered, but any theories on the IF model next week? They already have their praetor models and a few special characters.

Announcement of plastic Serfs kit, with IF upgrade frame bundled to start with.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Its probably been covered, but any theories on the IF model next week? They already have their praetor models and a few special characters.

It'll be the named character from the book probably.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Leviathan Dread torso?

Also noticed the article calls out the Sicaran Punisher. Next plastic tank announcement?

It's the only Sicaran variant with a top hatch.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be shocked if each of the Legions will get a special type of Decurion while the Tank Commanders from the actual kits are meant to be the generics.

Yeah this is my expectation as well.

My expectation is also that it will take a very long time, some factions will get theirs really quickly and others will have to wait 3+ years for theirs.

drbored wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be shocked if each of the Legions will get a special type of Decurion while the Tank Commanders from the actual kits are meant to be the generics.

Yeah this is my expectation as well.

My expectation is also that it will take a very long time, some factions will get theirs really quickly and others will have to wait 3+ years for theirs.

And that the Blood Angels and Dark Angels ones will look amazing, while the Iron Hands and Space wolves ones look like trash.

Given Horus' love of the 'dreadful Sagittary', its weird that it's the IF dude that has that name, and not the SoH.

Urrghhhh.....disapointing gw, disapointing. That's really all that I have to say.