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This Night Lords Command Squad Will Impress and Terrify You in Equal Measure

I don't get it. They're just assault dudes with command dudes heads and arms.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I don't get it. They're just assault dudes with command dudes heads and arms.

Simply a promotion for their command set.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I don't get it. They're just assault dudes with command dudes heads and arms.

That is literally what the article says

No big deal then - he actually does 'get it', but just didn't realize he got it!

I'm terrified by how plain that looks, I'd expect a NL player to use a bit more. Either kitbash with some chaos marines/raptors or at least add some more pouches, flayed skins, etc.

Well, the point is probably to show how the command sprues looks with the assault marine set.

Personally I love the "plain" look. My understanding of Horus Hersey is that there was big chunks of ordinary grunts, and just a precious few elite units with flavourcrafted gear.

A policy that make me loose most games.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm terrified by how plain that looks, I'd expect a NL player to use a bit more. Either kitbash with some chaos marines/raptors or at least add some more pouches, flayed skins, etc.

Every Legion had Terrans, right?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I don't get it. They're just assault dudes with command dudes heads and arms.

Its to hype up the command squad sprue.... and of course to hide the fact that the melee weapons would have been a perfect fit in the command squad kit in the first place.

 Fayric wrote:
Well, the point is probably to show how the command sprues looks with the assault marine set.

Personally I love the "plain" look. My understanding of Horus Hersey is that there was big chunks of ordinary grunts, and just a precious few elite units with flavourcrafted gear.

A policy that make me loose most games.

you had a lot less guys with handcrafted unique armor, at least. plenty of Elite units but they tended to use the standard armor and weapons, with either some exotic specialty weapon or distinct skills separating them out from the common troopers. even the 'artificer armor' stuff tended to be a lot more standardized.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Every Legion had Terrans, right?

And lived long enough to get MkVI armor? They would have to be hard as coffin nails.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Every Legion had Terrans, right?

And lived long enough to get MkVI armor? They would have to be hard as coffin nails.

That's kind of the point of Terran veteran units, yeah.

Most legions still recruited a small number of Terrans by the end of the Great Crusade, IIRC. Definitely the minority of recruits by that point though.

No sprue pics, but there is the transfers:

What an absolutely deplorable command decal sheet. The fact that for some bizarre reason, they insist on putting Fists and Sons decals on every decal sheet, rather then just making them all entirely generic boggles the mind. They could have filled that sheet with so many good generic bits and pieces and provided players with all the iconography they'd ever need. But instead we get a sheet with a paltry 1/5 generic decals (and uninspired at that!) and the rest is made up of stuff that's largely only usable by 4 of the 18 Legions.

One would have thought that that's what the actual LEGION DECAL SHEETS were for...

So with this being the Command squad sheet, the "corroboration" for the Mk2 Sallies vs IW box goes back down to 0.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So with this being the Command squad sheet, the "corroboration" for the Mk2 Sallies vs IW box goes back down to 0.

Not necessarily, the fact Salamanders and Iron Warriors are on there together with Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists does imply they are raised to the same level as the latter two which are the main two for HH2.0.

Since the rumour talks about a VS box it shouldn't be a Battlegroup like the MKIII/SA/Mechanicum boxes as those where single faction boxes and instead sounds more like the original Age of Darkness box that is the core set for this edition.
Since we also there is also the rumour about a new edition (which might not be an actual "new" edition and just a 2.5 rules update) it would make sense if this "Age of Darkness" like box turns out to be a new starter for the 2.5 edition.
And since Salamanders/Iron Warriors would be the main factions for that box and in turn that edition, that would raise them to the same importance as IF/SoH which in turn brings us back to the decal sheet that depicts them as such.

Of course all of that is just rumours and speculation so could be nothing like the Raptors on the 40k SM sheet that didn't get any significance as far as I remember

What does and doesn't get put on a transfer sheet is anyone's guess.

The CSM transfers between 6th and 8th went from all the Legions plus two Renegade Chapters to non-God Legions ones and Thousand Sons. Why Thousand Sons? Who knows.
The latest Guard vehicle sheet has Tanith transfers, for a Regiment famed for only having infantry.

Fenris' population is exactly as large as the plot requires, no more, no less.

Even if the whole planet has just a few million that enough for a few thousand troopers.

mithril2098 wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Well, the point is probably to show how the command sprues looks with the assault marine set.

Personally I love the "plain" look. My understanding of Horus Hersey is that there was big chunks of ordinary grunts, and just a precious few elite units with flavourcrafted gear.

A policy that make me loose most games.

you had a lot less guys with handcrafted unique armor, at least. plenty of Elite units but they tended to use the standard armor and weapons, with either some exotic specialty weapon or distinct skills separating them out from the common troopers. even the 'artificer armor' stuff tended to be a lot more standardized.

I'm also given to understand that even by the time of the Siege of Terra the bulk of the Traitors hadn't yet devolved into full-on overt Chaos worship. Certainly most of the Primarchs had, and the Word Bearers are an obvious exception, but I'm guessing your average Legionnaire wasn't yet sculpting his armor with demon faces...

Eh, it depends. The Word Bearers, Sons of Horus, World Eaters, Emperors Children and Death Guard were all corrupted by this point.
The Night Lords, well they were all kinds of messed up even before the Heresy.
The Thousand Sons were stronger than ever after casting off what little remained in terms of repression of their power but weren't coating themselves in Tzeentchian icons.
The Iron Warriors were the only Legion left "uncorrupted" and this played a major role in Perturabo quiting the Siege with the majority of his Legion.
Even the Titan Legions and Knight Houses allied to Horus had largely been corrupted with many Daemon Titans now among their ranks.

There were very few among the Sons that weren't showing signs of Chaos worship and corruption with most joining the Siege of Cthonia in a last ditch attempt to return the Legion to its roots.

Were they 40k levels of CSM? Not massively but if you were to mix and match the new HH plastics with the Legionnaries kit you could very easily represent the Sons and Word Bearers of the Siege quite accurately.

The difference between pre-heresy, loyalist, and traitor Night Lords is measured not in the presence or absence of flayed children's faces decorating their armor, but the quantity.

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 Matrindur wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So with this being the Command squad sheet, the "corroboration" for the Mk2 Sallies vs IW box goes back down to 0.

Not necessarily, the fact Salamanders and Iron Warriors are on there together with Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists does imply they are raised to the same level as the latter two which are the main two for HH2.0.

Since the rumour talks about a VS box it shouldn't be a Battlegroup like the MKIII/SA/Mechanicum boxes as those where single faction boxes and instead sounds more like the original Age of Darkness box that is the core set for this edition.
Since we also there is also the rumour about a new edition (which might not be an actual "new" edition and just a 2.5 rules update) it would make sense if this "Age of Darkness" like box turns out to be a new starter for the 2.5 edition.
And since Salamanders/Iron Warriors would be the main factions for that box and in turn that edition, that would raise them to the same importance as IF/SoH which in turn brings us back to the decal sheet that depicts them as such.

Of course all of that is just rumours and speculation so could be nothing like the Raptors on the 40k SM sheet that didn't get any significance as far as I remember

I doubt it's just a coincidence that they chose to include Salamanders and Iron Warriors on the sheet. I'm more inclined to believe these rumors now, i'm less keen on a whole new edition though. I was kinda hoping HH would avoid the 3 year churn especially due to the cost of the books. But if plastic mk II ends up being a thing i'll be pretty thrilled.

leopard wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

If GW's best and brightest are the ones who've been turning out 40K and AoS in recent years, I'd strongly dispute describing that state of affairs as "unfortunate". Keep them well clear, I rather like being able to select wargear.

I, uh, well...

Fair

Which is the well-managed GW game? I keep thinking there is one but I can't remember.

well the rules for Middle Earth seem to have been left reasonably well alone, even if the model range is somewhat dubious

It's funny that this conversation happened on the week the previewed an absolute nonsense new rule in MESBG.

 Baragash wrote:
It's funny that this conversation happened on the week the previewed an absolute nonsense new rule in MESBG.

It's a hilarious rule and I look forward to seeing many zany situations it throws up. I keenly await the chance to gank Galadrial and steal her mirror.

But also, it's a special rule that a singular character has that in all probability won't make all THAT much of a difference in the grand scheme of things because anyone with a piece of special wargear you actually want is probably going to be outside of the ability of the orc in question's ability to readily kill.

Considering it's a rule totally dependent on your opponent's roster, it might be disruptive in a game here or there, but I don't see it taking over the "meta". If there's anything tournament tryhards hate, it's uncertainty.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
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Eww. They want $85 dollarydoos for those new characters. Piss off.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If there's anything tournament tryhards hate, it's uncertainty.

Yeah but feth those guys. They're the group of players we should be listening to least of all.

 Snrub wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
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Eww. They want $85 dollarydoos for those new characters. Piss off.

I am a recent convert to the FW HH characters. The quality is really good. But the price for this stuff in Australasia is brutal. I will be moving back there at some point; I do wonder if I will be able to afford this hobby at that time. Mind you, it's not as if I don't already have enough of their stuff to last a lifetime...

Kind of funny that one resin space marine costs more than a selection of the warcry warbands.