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those are some lovely tanks. as the army becomes more and more plastic, it becomes more tempting to start a mechanicum army

That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

So you're saying the big limited production run boxed set can only "be taken once" in a standard game. Methinks that might be intentional by GW

Or just an accident because its made up of the latest 3 models

 Overread wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

So you're saying the big limited production run boxed set can only "be taken once" in a standard game. Methinks that might be intentional by GW

Or just an accident because its made up of the latest 3 models

I bought two of the battle group box, even if it had too much tech-thralls in it (and I already had a lot of the old ones). While it was labeled as 'while stock last' it was on the mail order for a long time. I also saw it in stores, gathering dust. And it was a rather good box to start Mechanicum. With the Mechanicum HS force... I mean, non-Marine factions should be promoted until they get a stable player base. That box isn't exactly a help.

I bought two battlegroups, too. I wanted to sell the Krioses because I'm not really sold on the Mechanicum tank design... now that I see the other two tanks I'm seriously considering keeping them, obviously they've grown on me hmmm, I only wanted walkers, I only wanted walkers...

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Whoever heard of a gamer tying themselves to just one army list!

More plastic mechanicus is always welcome. I’m glad they keep fleshing out the range, and I stylistically prefer heresy over recent 40k any day of the week.
I anticipate ursurax, domitar and myrmidons even more though - they can’t come soon enough..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Whoever heard of a gamer tying themselves to just one army list!

Uhm, a beginner? As an existing Mechanicum player I'm not sure if I really want one box. And I'm not sure how many of us are out there, newer or older. The last box wasn't exactly a bestseller.

Thing is we never know GW's production numbers - we never know if a box under or oversells because we never really have a good grasp on the stock levels; esp at the larger scale not just our local micro scale.

So even when a box appears to sell slower than others we don't know if that's because its selling badly or if GW produced double the number of boxes and it sold way more than any other recent box; just not as high as they guessed it might etc..

Also honestly considering GW stock doesn't devalue over time (and can even increase); a slower seller here and there isn't bad. Plus heck having osmething that doesn't sell out on the week it goes live is rather refreshing for those of us who can't jump on every single launch box.


Heck I know I'm probably going to miss out on this box since I'll be going all in when Soulblight comes out .

I suspect that if you're new to the Mechanicum, the Battlegroup box, an Archmagos, and this Heavy Support box feels like a good start to a collection - I'm on 2/3 so far, and should probably actually finish some stuff so I can justify the HS box.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Not sure why the Calix is limited to one per Maniple, either

Its pretty funny how back in August last year they said regular HH thursdays would be back in September, then after only releasing a single one at the start of october go back into hiding for 5 weeks and finally say HH Thursdays would not be weekly anymore just for every single week afterwards except the christmas week to have a HH Thursday

It's a bit of an eccentric boxed set, but the new plastic tanks are great looking models. I've been wanting to get a Krios for years - it's always seemed like a definitive Heresy-era design. And the Karacnos is just awesome. Pity I already have a Thanatar.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Whoever heard of a gamer tying themselves to just one army list!

considering how the mechanicus rules are right now and how significantly diffrent a shift in models is required for a diffrent list i say it's not unlikely that people want to stick to a single list. Already the battleforce was , let's say, somewhat problematically designed from a contents standpoint.

It's also likely that with the way the models were all resin that might have impacted how they stated and designed the army; with it going to plastics you could well see them update the army system so that it allows for more options because now it should be cheaper to build up (and faster for GW to produce and keep up)

If you buy two boxes you can only fit 4 of 6 models in one list... not ideal, but at least you literally didn't pay anything for the two models you can't use.

I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

 Fayric wrote:
I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

Apocalypse always sucked. I heard the last edition was not that bad as units could do something before removed, but it's usually just a game for people with too much big tanks, Knights and some Titans played in a garage or store maybe two or three times a year. I mean it's either Epic in 28/30mm scale or a game with 40k/30k oriented rules where you remove your infantry from the table with a shovel. None of this is really attractive.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

Apocalypse always sucked. I heard the last edition was not that bad as units could do something before removed, but it's usually just a game for people with too much big tanks, Knights and some Titans played in a garage or store maybe two or three times a year. I mean it's either Epic in 28/30mm scale or a game with 40k/30k oriented rules where you remove your infantry from the table with a shovel. None of this is really attractive.

Back then, it was the only way to field a bane blade or a stompa, or even break the rigid FOC with more than 2 HQ so it had a great appeal even if the games was never that fun. The fun thing was trying to build special/named formations that was impossible to field in a normal list. I guess its not as special when you are allowed lords of war and even the most basic list deploy a primarch.

First Apoc (was that during 4th edition?) was great fun if you played it as written and not try to waac (locally it was eventually killed by a munchkin threatening to bring 3000 pts of just spore mines... these are the people who ruin games, boot them at the first sign!)

The middle Apocalypse (in 6th or so?) was trash, it added an additional layer of complexity that made the games slower instead of faster and was definitely a child of the "sell as many bad books as possible" paradigm of its time.

Haven't tried the last one that was really pseudo-Epic in 28mm but it looked good apart from having to buy card decks.

Anyway Heresy's default game size is what Apocalypse game size was in 4th edition, so not sure HH needs extra rules for it.

Who has that many spore mines?!

surely they had to be kitbashed or hand-sculpted

They need to fix the weapons and points balance on the superheavies before trying to push Apoc.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
surely they had to be kitbashed or hand-sculpted

He was a waacer, of course he didn't own that many spore mines, he'd have brought empty bases.

He was renown for playing power lists "because he likes the models" but having to proxy the models because he didn't actually own those models he liked.

I’m sure there’s a Schrödinger joke in there somewhere, but I seem to be lacking.

Hopefully, next week’s Heresy Thursday will show off more Automata, or at least start showing other Automata.

I'd brace yourself for the chance/likelihood of seeing the LI version of the two vehicles that we've just seen the 30k version of, though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m sure there’s a Schrödinger joke in there somewhere, but I seem to be lacking.

Hopefully, next week’s Heresy Thursday will show off more Automata, or at least start showing other Automata.

maybe the arlatax will get an actual bighammer model

That must be coming. And I’m fairly sure the Ursarax exist already, at least as a digital sprue layout, as the Thallaxi sprues were designed so it’s a common body.

Vorax and Domitar? No idea when we might see them, but I’m confident we will.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That must be coming. And I’m fairly sure the Ursarax exist already, at least as a digital sprue layout, as the Thallaxi sprues were designed so it’s a common body.

Vorax and Domitar? No idea when we might see them, but I’m confident we will.

Ursarax likely will share a thallax sprue, and wouldn't the domitar and arlatax share as well? Vorax may well be their own kit, maybe with a new gun option in plastic.

Myrmadons as a kit would be logical and popular- one sprue for a secutor kit and one for a destructor kit.

Vulturax would be nice as well.

Overall with the roadmap of tanks, I'm kinda expecting after this hs box and individual releases that we will get a marine wave of vehicles. Solar aux just got the malcador variants and arvus, and now krios and karaknos. The missing sicaran variants would be low hanging fruit- arcus, punisher, and omega.

Domitar and Araltax I honestly don’t know, as I’m not terribly familiar with the latter. But, if the Epic scale version is representative, then I guess so. I wouldn’t expect it to be a dual kit. Shared body almost certainly though.