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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Any word if the questoris book will be released with the initial release, or if it will come at a later date?

Initial release, alongside books for loyalist & traitor legions, Mechanicum, and the Solar Auxilia.

 Hellebore wrote:
So how do we think they are supposed to wear the suits, given how big they are to a normal marine?

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/26-saturninetermlore-scale-t3tacej7ks.jpg

Maybe they wear stilts, or they use a robot head on top of their head? Or they have their pelvises artificially widened to help them spread into the legs...

GW loves making armour that doesn't make sense, in order for bigger=better.

They're basically centurion suits, aren't they?

I’m reckoning they’re mini dreadnoughts. Either the marine is mutilated to fit or they’re in the foetal position

 Albertorius wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
So how do we think they are supposed to wear the suits, given how big they are to a normal marine?

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/26-saturninetermlore-scale-t3tacej7ks.jpg

Maybe they wear stilts, or they use a robot head on top of their head? Or they have their pelvises artificially widened to help them spread into the legs...

GW loves making armour that doesn't make sense, in order for bigger=better.

They're basically centurion suits, aren't they?

Centurion suits are probably an attempt to recreate Saturnine armor, without the knowhow lost in the Heresy

Well, we’ve precedent for physically altering the body to fit from the Spyrer suits.

That’s not to say Saturnine and Spyrer share a lineage, just to show it is a thing.

They put the Dreadnought in Tactical Dreadnought Armour

Jokes on all of us. It's actually half a dozen midgets all crammed in there all controlling different parts.

 Snrub wrote:
Jokes on all of us. It's actually half a dozen midgets all crammed in there all controlling different parts.

So, just a bunch of snotlings shokk attacked into terminator suits

"No, I don't know how we got here either, just follow the other green guys and shoot what they shoot!"

 Snrub wrote:
Jokes on all of us. It's actually half a dozen midgets all crammed in there all controlling different parts.

They go well with the 700 indians posing as the AI that GW hired to write the book

Dudeface wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
"The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes."

With each new article we see this was more and more of an outright lie.

You're not wrong!

There look to be more than a few major changes, and that's just in what we've seen previewed so far.

And there also looks to be a lot of "make it more complicated for some reason" action going on...

More complicated is why people supposedly like it over 40k historically. People claim to love the extra 'crunch'.

Crunch is fine, as long it's clearly worded. Right now it's reading like the Silmarillion, or a credit card TOS.

Currently wondering if different variants of certain weapons might gain additional traits.

For instance, the Quad Heavy Bolter Rapier. That’s a lot of raw firepower going down a pretty narrow corridor. So perhaps it’ll have Pinning (X), to represent that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Currently wondering if different variants of certain weapons might gain additional traits.

For instance, the Quad Heavy Bolter Rapier. That’s a lot of raw firepower going down a pretty narrow corridor. So perhaps it’ll have Pinning (X), to represent that.

That was already a concept, for example the biggest Volkites have Pinning and bigger lascannon and autocannon get Exo-shock

True. Wouldn’t say no to some of that here.

And now we have the profiles for both squad and preator.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/7h1lqo8p/rules-in-the-age-of-darkness-saturnine-terminators-take-the-field/

Base Initiative 3 on Saturnine Terminators.

Yeah that sounds good for them. Look at 'em, big ponderous buggers. They ain't fast.

So, things we learned today

Plasma is getting even worse than in 2.0 to make room for Disintegrators as the premiere anti-MEQ special weapon

Special rules are still scattered all over the place (Occulix is under the unit entry but the Thermal diffraction field is not)

The most common cause of death for a Saturnine is their Disintegrator getting hot

The AI writing these rules is freely mixing two layout types for upgrades, the modern one with points right-justified after a line of dots and the old style with points just being stated in flowing text.

Oh I completely glossed over the weapon profiles and missed that plasma is worse now. And what kind of a range is 24" for a barrage weapon? That's fething stupid.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The AI writing these rules is freely mixing two layout types for upgrades, the modern one with points right-justified after a line of dots and the old style with points just being stated in flowing text.

Oh and a thousand year curse on you, sir. Now that you've pointed out the inconsistent upgrade layout, I'm forever doomed to be irritated by it.

It's a change from 2.0 that now a model may have its weapon exchanged for a weapon, where in the past a model may exchange its weapon for a weapon.

Does that matter? Not really. Does it annoy me that the wording (and, as above, the layout) has changed? Yes.


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Also of (extremely minimal) note is that you are able to take both hammer and axe on the praetor, which I have to assume is why they have two separate poses rather than swapping the head. I guess also you could potentially build a fists-only praetor from the kit by the same token for a blunter angrier look.

I wasn't expecting the full range of ranged options, but Saturnine praetors all having only one optional gun is an odd choice given the rest of the unit's otherwise ranged bent. If that doesn't hint at a melee option in future... then knowing GW I won't be overly surprised but still.

 Snrub wrote:
Jokes on all of us. It's actually half a dozen midgets all crammed in there all controlling different parts.

That's the after efect of a shokk attack gun

4oursword wrote:


I wasn't expecting the full range of ranged options, but Saturnine praetors all having only one optional gun is an odd choice given the rest of the unit's otherwise ranged bent. If that doesn't hint at a melee option in future... then knowing GW I won't be overly surprised but still.

I think it points to "no model no rules" has come for Horus Heresy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think it points to "no model no rules" has come for Horus Heresy.

I think it might have!

 Snrub wrote:
Oh I completely glossed over the weapon profiles and missed that plasma is worse now. And what kind of a range is 24" for a barrage weapon? That's fething stupid.

While I agree on the plasma stats, the range is kinda okay. I mean they're still Terminators and sitting behind cover at the other end of the battlefield isn't exactly their point. Walking into the centre of action with a fair mount of terrain, ruins or trenches is it, shooting at enemies in cover while shaking off most of their fire. Then you burn them out with Particle Shredders and smash the rest with your fists. Or let others do that, if you really go double bombard with your whole squad.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think it points to "no model no rules" has come for Horus Heresy.

I think it might have!

"Mwuahhahahahahha"
GW accountants

"selected for it" is a weird way to word it. If I were a jerk, I might argue "selected" does not mean "equipped," and that you don't get the weapon for the model.

(unless there's another full page write-up explaining how Selected (X) means that the Type of Weapon with the Selected wording means that the Type of Model that did the Selecting is also the Type of Model that Can do the Equipping of the Weapon for a number of points equal to (X + 2) / Y, in which Y is the Total number of Points in the Battle, but only on Sundays; otherwise, Y shall be equal to the Current Day of Week, counting Sunday as Day 0.)

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
"selected for it" is a weird way to word it. If I were a jerk, I might argue "selected" does not mean "equipped," and that you don't get the weapon for the model.

(unless there's another full page write-up explaining how Selected (X) means that the Type of Weapon with the Selected wording means that the Type of Model that did the Selecting is also the Type of Model that Can do the Equipping of the Weapon for a number of points equal to (X + 2) / Y, in which Y is the Total number of Points in the Battle, but only on Sundays; otherwise, Y shall be equal to the Current Day of Week, counting Sunday as Day 0.)

Have an Exalt!

 Albertorius wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
So how do we think they are supposed to wear the suits, given how big they are to a normal marine?

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/26-saturninetermlore-scale-t3tacej7ks.jpg

Maybe they wear stilts, or they use a robot head on top of their head? Or they have their pelvises artificially widened to help them spread into the legs...

GW loves making armour that doesn't make sense, in order for bigger=better.

They're basically centurion suits, aren't they?

Afaik the centurions are worn like normal armour, except their arms are crossed in the chest. But the saturnines are too tall for their legs to go from crotch to foot, so something has to change.

I quite like them in design, I'm just not sure why they decided they had to be larger than a normal terminator by so much that there's no way for a marine to fit in them...


EDIT: apparently the praetorian doesn't explode but the squad does. Must be extra fancy...

 Hellebore wrote:
EDIT: apparently the praetorian doesn't explode but the squad does. Must be extra fancy...

His Cool is too damn high!

Now I'm not going to read any further into this and will take it at face value as just a change to the way they're writing profiles now, but I've just noticed that neither the Sat squad or praetor have "Saturnine Terminator Armour" listed on their profiles. Weapon and wargear abound, but no armour.

Typo maybe? Possibly indicative of the fact that now variants of terminator armour doesn't matter and they're all being rolled into one homogeneousy blob of 2+ saves? Who knows. As I said I'm not going to read further into it. Just thought it was curious.