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I think they're removing armour in general from being a separate piece of wargear. Notice that Inv. saves have been rolled into the statline also, following Movement in previous edition. The Thermal dissipation thingy and Slow and Purposeful are also functions of the armour afaik but listed separately.

Will be interesting to see if things like Bikes and Land Speeders also stop being wargear and go back to being formatted as just the modified statline and some special rules in the unit entry.

A Land Speeder or Bike being something the crew wears was a daft way of formatting it anyway, especially when they were all alphabetized under "L" for Legion Javelin, Legion Spatha, etc.

 Snrub wrote:
Now I'm not going to read any further into this and will take it at face value as just a change to the way they're writing profiles now, but I've just noticed that neither the Sat squad or praetor have "Saturnine Terminator Armour" listed on their profiles. Weapon and wargear abound, but no armour.

Typo maybe? Possibly indicative of the fact that now variants of terminator armour doesn't matter and they're all being rolled into one homogeneousy blob of 2+ saves? Who knows. As I said I'm not going to read further into it. Just thought it was curious.

Possibly?

But the stats and USRs delineate Saturnine. It’s slow and cumbersome, but makes you super tough.

It was mentioned earlier about the Occulix Targetting Array seemingly being on the data sheet, but not the Thermal diffraction field. What we can’t know right now is whether the presentation in the article is exactly as it is in the book (and it may very well be), or a layout for the article and in the forthcoming Libers, the Occulix and TDF will both be found in the Wargear section, and not on unit profiles.

Hey hey hey!! Now we're getting somewhere!

Saturnine Dreadnought kit.
Of course they save the cooler weapons for the individual release.




Confirmed to have magnet slots and to be able to "snap" weapons on and off. Gotta get me one of these big bastards.

Phwoar!!!

Here’s hoping they release the weapons separately, as they’ve done for the Levithan, Contemptor and Deredeo class.

Ooop, article confirms that! Nice.

The best part is, you won’t miss out on these new weapons just because you got your Dreadnought in the awesome Saturnine box set, as they’ll be available separately, much like the weapon sets for the Contemptor, Leviathan and Deredeo Dreadnoughts.
Due to the way the arms and weapon mounts are made, you can even carefully snap the guns in and out as you please rather than gluing them, or put magnets into pre-made slots for an even more secure fit.

Those new arms sure cool af but where is melee arm???

Nipple guns on the second loadout seem to be the same AP3 flamers as on the Terminator fists.

Nice to see the alternative heads, the one painted in the Sons of Horus scheme is defo my favourite.

I’m liking the design lineage cues between Saturnine and the Squat Exo-Armour/Vertijan Exo-Driller.

Both seem to have started off with a common ancestor. Where the Squats developed that further to dual use (fighting and mining), Saturn appears to have thought “what if am make biggererest?” with designs intended solely for combat.

Dont care much about HH but that Dread is all kinds of awesome. I can see it as a good inclusion in a 40k SM force and, with minor amends, a chaos Dread... with extensive work a Votann suit.

Due to the way the arms and weapon mounts are made, you can even carefully snap the guns in and out as you please rather than gluing them, or put magnets into pre-made slots for an even more secure fit.

Love it. More of that, GW.

Given a bunch of Specialist Game stuff comes with sculpted sockets for magnets, I’m kinda surprised GW haven’t started selling branded ones.

It might be they’re not terribly expensive, or terribly difficult to source, and so there’s just too many established alternatives at a price GW can’t really compete with?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Given a bunch of Specialist Game stuff comes with sculpted sockets for magnets, I’m kinda surprised GW haven’t started selling branded ones.

It might be they’re not terribly expensive, or terribly difficult to source, and so there’s just too many established alternatives at a price GW can’t really compete with?

Why would that stop them? They already sell way over-priced glue, clippers, hobby knives, bases, paint, tape measures, etc.

I think the problem with magnets has always been that including them starts to require you to put warnings on products and makes international shipping more complicated. I know Warmachine tried with their move to 3D printing, but gave up putting magnets in the box as it became a nightmare on the legislation front.

I think its even harder because of the international shipping aspect with different countries having different restrictions and even transport options being more expensive/different/more broken up.

Ergo there's a load of background costs that come with it whilst just giving slots and letting domestic magnet supply firms do the work is much easier.



Some 3rd party stores mange but often they are only trading in one country and can more easily just not include the pack of magnets in the parcel or charge more.


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ccs wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Given a bunch of Specialist Game stuff comes with sculpted sockets for magnets, I’m kinda surprised GW haven’t started selling branded ones.

It might be they’re not terribly expensive, or terribly difficult to source, and so there’s just too many established alternatives at a price GW can’t really compete with?

Why would that stop them? They already sell way over-priced glue, clippers, hobby knives, bases, paint, tape measures, etc.

I'll admit these days whilst GW tools are decently made, I don't even really encourage people because £30 for a pair of regular clippers is as much as you could spend on an entire, good quality, tool set

ccs wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Given a bunch of Specialist Game stuff comes with sculpted sockets for magnets, I’m kinda surprised GW haven’t started selling branded ones.

It might be they’re not terribly expensive, or terribly difficult to source, and so there’s just too many established alternatives at a price GW can’t really compete with?

Why would that stop them? They already sell way over-priced glue, clippers, hobby knives, bases, paint, tape measures, etc.

There’s a method behind all that.

A Warhammer Store stocks everything you might need to be involved in the Hobby. By offering branded tools and glues, people benefit from convenience, and for newcomers stuff suited to the task at hand. There are of course cheaper ones available, but that convenience can be persuasive.

But, you don’t need magnets in the way you need something to free parts from a sprue then clean them up of flash/mould lines, then glues, paints and brushes to get them tabletop ready (if you’re into painting. I’m a reformed Tinboy, so not gonna criticise those that aren’t). Magnets though are an option. And not something the vast majority of GW’s kits need, or can used without modification.

So there’s an already self-limited market, and one already well served by others. I spent around £25 buying magnets this month, ready for my Chaos Knights arriving on Saturday. I’m fairly sure I’ve got enough, but time will tell. And if need more, it’ll be back to Amazon, maybe Hobbycraft if I’m in that neck of the woods. But despite having been at this longer than some Dakkanauts have graced the planet? This is the first time I’ve really set out to maximise magnetisation.

I thought shipping magnets had some weird rules about them that made it really not worth it for GW sell magnets.
Just a rumor I heard?

Could be Elf ‘n’Safety. Swallowing rare earth magnets is really bad for your lifespan.

Whether there’s shipping limitations or similar I really don’t know.

 Snrub wrote:
Hey hey hey!! Now we're getting somewhere!

Saturnine Dreadnought kit.
Of course they save the cooler weapons for the individual release.




Confirmed to have magnet slots and to be able to "snap" weapons on and off. Gotta get me one of these big bastards.

Those weapons are cool! I wonder how they would look like on an Adeptus Titanicus scaled Titan...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be Elf ‘n’Safety. Swallowing rare earth magnets is really bad for your lifespan.

Whether there’s shipping limitations or similar I really don’t know.

Can confirm that there are restrictions on sending magnets by mail in Germany. It's not for health and safety, but for technical reasons: improperly packaged magnets that are strong enough can cause jams in sorting machines and such (by glomming onto metallic parts or each other), and of course the magnets might also damage other stuff in the same shipment (i.e. expensive electronic stuff or whatever), so it's a huge headache to send strong magnets correctly (and pretty expensive, too, since the "proper" way mostly consists of really spaced packaging, which of course means you pay the fees for huge stuff even if the physical dimensions of the magnet itself are a fraction of that).

Also-also, for some classes of magnets transport by air is an even bigger hassle, to the point of being commercially questionable under most circumstances.