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 Tastyfish wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So, big news from the leaker

After 17 years, true area terrain rules are back. The whole shebang, I think. Down to blocking LOS further than 3" deep.

Sadly this comes bundled with "entire unit can be mowed down if you have LOS to one guy's elbow"

Makes me wonder if they'll keep the Mechanicum forces that can remove terrain.

I keep reading all of these leaks and it feels like the 30K Designers are just digging through the archives, saying, "The fan base loves all these old crunchy rules, why don't we add even more? They'll be so happy if we added all the old rules to the game!"

I think there's definitely a train of thought here that is "Why is Heresy a different game from 40K?", and a lot of the new changes feel like they're embracing that question.

Some areas have run in parallel however, a rudimentary version of 9ths detachments, removal of rapid fire, removal of negative options when it comes to heavy weapons on infantry. Much like as the MOBA/CCG described above, 30k much as 40k now has become, is about positive affirmations and making things go faster/more freedom without as many hard choices.

PLASTIC SABRE!

Hunter Killers are a notably different design.

Still looks like the resin one - hunter killers are upside down (Or right side up - store has them on both ways up)

The article makes it look like GW are confident this will be a long-running edition whose core rules are robust enough that it can take many years of new content without another reboot. Which is deluded, obviously, but boy wouldn't it be nice.


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Yea the Sabres are resin, you can see how the track covers bend inwards a bit.

Not seeing many people annoyed about day 1 dlc

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The article makes it look like GW are confident this will be a long-running edition whose core rules are robust enough that it can take many years of new content without another reboot. Which is deluded, obviously, but boy wouldn't it be nice.

I want to think the same, but GW now regard rule books and army books as completely disposable. I bet they are amongst their most profitable items.

Yea the Sabres are resin, you can see how the track covers bend inwards a bit.

I think so too. The hunter-killers are a different design to the plastic ones.

Not quite convinced to make the leap into 30K, but the Journals are a step in the right direction...

I disagree. I'd rather wait and get a nice more robust campaign book like we currently get than multiple $40 single mission, single army rule, 2-3 unit splat books.

Dudeface wrote:
Not seeing many people annoyed about day 1 dlc

It was announced on the reveal stream, so we're long in the acceptance phase.

And the rest is in the "they clearly say it is optional so no need to buy it" camp

Personally I'm in the "they'll get through about 6 legion DLCs this edition and we can only hope they're as inconsequential in HH as they are in TOW" camp

The day 1 DLC table of contents lists a new Consul (probably), the Rapier crew command squad, and the Tarantula turret Whirlwind, plus a new Prime slot bonus. Which is honestly a decent rate of new content if you get one journal every 3 months forever, as long as I don't have to pay for a scan.

We're also promised some variant Saturnine, which I bet will just be "first, get 10 Praetor hammers..."

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Not seeing many people annoyed about day 1 dlc

It was announced on the reveal stream, so we're long in the acceptance phase.

Fair, it's just incredibly poor taste to have the extra units in there same day imo. A narrative mission pack? Sure, but expansions to the core army list you release same day? Sort of sucky.

 Platuan4th wrote:
I disagree. I'd rather wait and get a nice more robust campaign book like we currently get than multiple $40 single mission, single army rule, 2-3 unit splat books.

Depends if you'd use the majority of the content.

For example, my only interest in Cthonia was Zone Mortalis and I wasn't paying £35 for it.

Dudeface wrote:
Fair, it's just incredibly poor taste to have the extra units in there same day imo. A narrative mission pack? Sure, but expansions to the core army list you release same day? Sort of sucky.

Obviously, I agree. But at least it's actual expansion stuff that never existed before and not cut content. Hopefully it's also not impactful for the meta.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Fair, it's just incredibly poor taste to have the extra units in there same day imo. A narrative mission pack? Sure, but expansions to the core army list you release same day? Sort of sucky.

Obviously, I agree. But at least it's actual expansion stuff that never existed before and not cut content. Hopefully it's also not impactful for the meta.

Well that's my point, those units are cut content from the army books. HH isn't typically a game with a concern for the meta, but yeah a game warping unit would suck.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
I disagree. I'd rather wait and get a nice more robust campaign book like we currently get than multiple $40 single mission, single army rule, 2-3 unit splat books.

Depends if you'd use the majority of the content.

For example, my only interest in Cthonia was Zone Mortalis and I wasn't paying £35 for it.

My group are narrative players and have run every single one of those campaigns.

 Platuan4th wrote:


My group are narrative players and have run every single one of those campaigns.

Then it was good for you and your group. Well done.

Surprise second article yesterday

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/unoaw6qi/faction-focus-loyalist-astartes/

Sapping most of my remaining hope, and I was already running on fumes.

RoW are gone gone

No mention of Legion wargear

Folding some (all?) Legion units and abilities into Prime upgrades is the worst bit, you'll get maybe 2-3 things per army and they compete with extra unit unlocks.

Gonna be pretty sad if White Scars need to burn a Prime upgrade to make one Cavalry unit scoring.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sapping most of my remaining hope, and I was already running on fumes.

Yeah me too.


But what a shame that Dark Angels advanced reaction is for the new edition. It gaks all over our useless 2nd ed reaction. Being able to fight twice would have been monstrous for Cenobium.

It's also just a copy pasted 40k stratagem...

Dudeface wrote:
Not seeing many people annoyed about day 1 dlc

What would be the point? At this point my group and I are so firmly in the "not getting the new edition" camp this is just noise now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's also just a copy pasted 40k stratagem...

Ah creative bankruptcy.

 Gert wrote:
At this point my group and I are so firmly in the "not getting the new edition" camp this is just noise now.

Will you stay on 2.0 raw or something else?

2.0 as is. We know it, we don't abuse it, and it works fine because of that.

We all run goofy lists from time to time and we test out crazy ideas like "Chariots of the Gods" which is just World Eaters landspeeders all upgraded with Chainaxes.

A new edition just isn't on the cards for us, we don't have the time to learn all the new rules when we just got to a place where we're about to start a Siege of Cthonia campaign.

 Gert wrote:
2.0 as is. We know it, we don't abuse it, and it works fine because of that.

How do non-Marine players fare? I'd really like to grow the variety of armies we have and our choice of edition might come down to which has better balance between Legions and Aux/Mech

 Gert wrote:
"Chariots of the Gods" which is just World Eaters landspeeders all upgraded with Chainaxes.

That sounds delightfully stupid.
Probably actually not a bad list all things considered.


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Traitor Faction Focus today

More gak for the gak throne!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lunnztux/faction-focus-traitor-astartes/

The IW gambit is delightfully fluffy, ngl, but unless you have a unit of 20 gatling meltas on standby it's probably an auto-lose.

what are the robot looking guys on the main page?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
what are the robot looking guys on the main page?

Perturabo's robot bodyguards

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
what are the robot looking guys on the main page?

Perturabo's robot bodyguards

dang... thanks LBF