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 Gert wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Not seeing many people annoyed about day 1 dlc

What would be the point? At this point my group and I are so firmly in the "not getting the new edition" camp this is just noise now.

We can't have you playing 30K anywhere unless you have paid your three-year subscription fee! The Wargamers Guild of Ankh-Morpork will hear of this!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How do non-Marine players fare? I'd really like to grow the variety of armies we have and our choice of edition might come down to which has better balance between Legions and Aux/Mech

So far our group has gone through Daemons, Solar Aux, Militia and Mechanicum. One player has Custodes but has been focused on their Legions for the most part so can't really comment.

All in all, we've found it no real issue. The worst excesses of given non-Marine factions (i.e. unbreakable leadership Solar Aux) aren't on the table because we self regulate.
Ultimately they're all more hit/miss compared to Legions but honestly that's part of the fun of it.
I've almost exclusively been playing Militia since the PDF launched and trying every single combo of rules has been an absolute blast. I very rarely win but rolling a dice to see which horrific concoction of drugs each unit in my army has been taking has made for some amazing real world interactions with players outside of our group. Sometimes half the army is pinned turn one, sometimes they take every performance enhancement available and throw bareknuckle punches at Space Marines.

No evidence of a plastic kit yet, but GW has been showing off Sabres in a lot of pictures recently.

First pair of Rapiers assembled and two crew.

Modelling tip for the crew? Remove the location nub for the arms. They don’t need as precise placement as when matching up to Bolter/Special Weapon. And the nubs can prevent certain arms matching to certain bodies.

Otherwise a really nice kit to work with.

No more Night Fighting?

I'm officially sticking with 2.0. Night Lords without Night Fighting?

Yeah, I'll take a "pass", thanks.

Two sets of rules for EC, nothing shown in the preview. Exhilarating stuff

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No more Night Fighting?

I'm officially sticking with 2.0. Night Lords without Night Fighting?

Yeah, I'll take a "pass", thanks.

SNARK: Oh thank God. If it's one thing my gunline Imperial Fists hate more than nightfighting is 100 jump pack Night Lords I "can't see" until they're assaulting me.

In reality, Night Fighting just needed some toning down, not outright removal.

 kronk wrote:
In reality, Night Fighting just needed some toning down, not outright removal.

In GW there is only the pendulum, never nuance.

My number one slot has to go to the humble Legion Centurion. Whereas before they were taken because folk couldn’t spare points for a Champion but wanted the Weapon Skill buff, they’re now a critical pillar in army construction – just how they should be!

"Nobody liked Centurions because they don't have a role, so we made them mandatory"

That's dumb to make them critical to list building, unless this is just a fluffy/hype sentence. I always took a Legion Centurion Castellan in 2nd Edition, but before with Castellan came about, I never bothered with one.

 kronk wrote:

That's dumb to make them critical to list building, unless this is just a fluffy/hype sentence. I always took a Legion Centurion Castellan in 2nd Edition, but before with Castellan came about, I never bothered with one.

Centurions get double slot unlocks, so you can choose to have 2-3 do-nothing HQs instead of 5-6 interesting but expensive HQs

 kronk wrote:

That's dumb to make them critical to list building, unless this is just a fluffy/hype sentence. I always took a Legion Centurion Castellan in 2nd Edition, but before with Castellan came about, I never bothered with one.

I like it. While I am not overjoyed with the revised approach to force building, I think it makes sense to push these 2nd tier commanders as important components of an army list. Legion armies would have numerous seasoned officers like this, and aesthetically they add a lot of character to an army. My only concern is the points cost, which presumably cuts into your unit selection.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 kronk wrote:

That's dumb to make them critical to list building, unless this is just a fluffy/hype sentence. I always took a Legion Centurion Castellan in 2nd Edition, but before with Castellan came about, I never bothered with one.

Centurions get double slot unlocks, so you can choose to have 2-3 do-nothing HQs instead of 5-6 interesting but expensive HQs

Even with the double unlocks for Centurions I feel army building becomes much more restrictive this edition, despite what the articles on Warhammer Community suggest. Also, it doesn't seem to scale well for larger games.

 stahly wrote:

Where did you get that?

WarCom says Centurions get two detachment unlocks and the special rule for extra detachment unlocks is in the leaked rulebook.

Mechanicum Faction Focus for you flesh is weak types.



And a digital release "roadmap".

I won't copy the image over as it's fething huge and I can't make it smaller.

 Snrub wrote:
Mechanicum Faction Focus for you flesh is weak types.



And a digital release "roadmap".

I won't copy the image over as it's fething huge and I can't make it smaller.

Can't say i'm a huge fan of that type of nested doll "Boobenfarten: the unit affected by boobenfarten get's one Polpenlügen status of your choice" when none of these sub-rules feature anywhere else than in the context of this specific special rule anyway. It just seems like an incompetent way of formatting things to me, needlessly inflating the number of rules terms you need to learn (and after a certain point it becomes actually confusing, especially if 2/3rds of them are technobabble that sounds same-ish and has no directly intuitive relation between the term and what it does, unlike e.g. "Trample" "First Strike" or "Deathtouch" in MtG or whatever).

 Snrub wrote:
And a digital release "roadmap".

I won't copy the image over as it's fething huge and I can't make it smaller.

So by the end of the year, the rules content will be back to where it was before the new edition, plus there'll be six (+?) additional books to the rulebook and a set of PDF rules which are totally just as valid as the non-Legacies rules, and that's why they're hidden away in a PDF to die quietly.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
And a digital release "roadmap".

I won't copy the image over as it's fething huge and I can't make it smaller.

So by the end of the year, the rules content will be back to where it was before the new edition, plus there'll be six (+?) additional books to the rulebook and a set of PDF rules which are totally just as valid as the non-Legacies rules, and that's why they're hidden away in a PDF to die quietly.

Your point is?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
And a digital release "roadmap".

I won't copy the image over as it's fething huge and I can't make it smaller.

So by the end of the year, the rules content will be back to where it was before the new edition, plus there'll be six (+?) additional books to the rulebook and a set of PDF rules which are totally just as valid as the non-Legacies rules, and that's why they're hidden away in a PDF to die quietly.

Your point is?

That GW is scumy.


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 kronk wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No more Night Fighting?

I'm officially sticking with 2.0. Night Lords without Night Fighting?

Yeah, I'll take a "pass", thanks.

SNARK: Oh thank God. If it's one thing my gunline Imperial Fists hate more than nightfighting is 100 jump pack Night Lords I "can't see" until they're assaulting me.

In reality, Night Fighting just needed some toning down, not outright removal.

HH 2.0 only needed some tinkering and not outright rewriting into a bastardisation of Rogue Trader and 40k Stratagem fest.

Not a complaint either way, but just wondering which way the tree is going to fall...

I'm a bit confused as the other day they said that Zone Mortalis would fall under the new journal books, but now this is saying it's going to be a Warcom download? Hmmm...

SamusDrake wrote:
I'm a bit confused as the other day they said that Zone Mortalis would fall under the new journal books, but now this is saying it's going to be a Warcom download? Hmmm...

It probably will be included in a Journal but later down the line and the PDF would mean we don't have to wait for that release first.

pdf roadmap looks nice

Although it pretty much confirms that expansion content is not in the Libres

Fingers crossed the pdfs are not phoned in dreck again

Current mood: jealous of ToW for not being written by a deranged Ai

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Not seeing many people annoyed about day 1 dlc

It was announced on the reveal stream, so we're long in the acceptance phase.

Also, one would need to be buying into the new edition for that

those journals feel alot like 40K Crusade books to me somehow

Also, not sure if it's been niggling at anyone else or if its just me, but the covers of the new libers are uuuuuuuuugly with those colourful cartoony images. The 2.0 ones were much nicer (and neutral) with the understated faction icon.
It's not a huge thing in the grand scheme of things. But when I'm going to be paying probably $100 for this thing, I want to it be nice looking.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Pictures comparing rules writing for The Old World and Heresy 3.0

The difference in quality of writing there is night and day. It's laughable.

 tauist wrote:
those journals feel alot like 40K Crusade books to me somehow

They might be closer to the old Citadel Journal - maybe it's just the name evoking that thought - with mixes of 'stuff' in a semi-regular publication. Back in the days when big expansion books were less common features of GW stuff that release model worked, and they've gone back to that with their Blood Bowl schedule, but it may just be too much on top of the rather large shift in rules for 3.0.

 Platuan4th wrote:

It probably will be included in a Journal but later down the line and the PDF would mean we don't have to wait for that release first.

Yeah, that could be the case. They had the ZM rules in White Dwarf first and then included them in the Cthonia book.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 tauist wrote:
those journals feel alot like 40K Crusade books to me somehow

They might be closer to the old Citadel Journal - maybe it's just the name evoking that thought - with mixes of 'stuff' in a semi-regular publication. Back in the days when big expansion books were less common features of GW stuff that release model worked, and they've gone back to that with their Blood Bowl schedule, but it may just be too much on top of the rather large shift in rules for 3.0.

They're meant as a Heresy version of the Arcane Journals for Old World because GW thinks of Old World as AoS Heresy and have said it in multiple articles. That's the parallel they're evoking.

 Platuan4th wrote:
They're meant as a Heresy version of the Arcane Journals for Old World because GW thinks of Old World as AoS Heresy and have said it in multiple articles. That's the parallel they're evoking.

However, Arcane Journals are single faction splatbooks, Campaign Journals are game updates that for the most part everybody is supposed to buy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
They're meant as a Heresy version of the Arcane Journals for Old World because GW thinks of Old World as AoS Heresy and have said it in multiple articles. That's the parallel they're evoking.

However, Arcane Journals are single faction splatbooks, Campaign Journals are game updates that for the most part everybody is supposed to buy.

They keep saying, which people keep parroting, that they're entirely optional.

Solar Auxilia Faction Focus is up.