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No! No! Wait And See what the FAQs, erratas DLC, and supplements do to fix the problem which doesn't really exist because LALALA I can't hear you!

ccs wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
The massive amount of invalidation is really putting me off the edition.

I'm not ordering the box on Saturday any more, I just have a bitter taste in my mouth about the whole exercise.

The entire appeal of 30k is that it doesn't have the dumb weapons restrictions of 40k FFS.

How do you know what's actually been invalidated without seeing what's been moved to Legacy?

Since they said the other day that Legacy stuff is tourney/event legal....

If Legacy stuff was as valid as everything else there would be no need for a legacy PDF and it would be in the main books.

Bluntly I don't trust GW on this point and I think there's more than enough evidence as to why.

kodos wrote:there will be eough people who are happy with to make it a success
and not buying it because it is a bad product isn't even an option, poor GW must be given a chance
also don't forget, not matter how bad it is, in 3 years there will be a new game anyway so just keep buying and stop playing until than

this is still a GW game, not matter how salty people are this won't turn into an X-Wing like scenario but still selling out

blood reaper wrote:Incredibly funny how we are now past "Just wait for the libers" and onto the "Just wait for the Legacies PDF" cope. Once the Legacies PDF comes out and doesn't satisfy that, we'll move onto "Wait for the expansion books". Then when they come out, we'll move onto "the changes are good, actually."

 Lord Damocles wrote:
No! No! Wait And See what the FAQs, erratas DLC, and supplements do to fix the problem which doesn't really exist because LALALA I can't hear you!

It's getting tiresome. Do you guys play or played the game? I suppose not. And if the only contribution is 'huhu, those dumb GW fanboys, they're still playing that games, they didn't ascended like us, look at them and laugh!' it's not a great contribution to the thread, more an annoyance. But if it makes you feel better...

Looking at HH 3.0 I'm curious. I wasn't exactly fond with 2.0 and as a Mechanicum player double so. I just wait, see and finally play. Then it's time for a conclusion and maybe a rant.

Legacy might be things that are no longer in production or that haven't seen any releases. Like the Fulmentarus, Gorgon, Minotaur, Salamanders hq dread, etc.

Looking at the v3, if I will eventually cope with it, I'm not looking forward to buying Asterius. 500 euros, damn.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

kodos wrote:there will be eough people who are happy with to make it a success
and not buying it because it is a bad product isn't even an option, poor GW must be given a chance
also don't forget, not matter how bad it is, in 3 years there will be a new game anyway so just keep buying and stop playing until than

this is still a GW game, not matter how salty people are this won't turn into an X-Wing like scenario but still selling out

blood reaper wrote:Incredibly funny how we are now past "Just wait for the libers" and onto the "Just wait for the Legacies PDF" cope. Once the Legacies PDF comes out and doesn't satisfy that, we'll move onto "Wait for the expansion books". Then when they come out, we'll move onto "the changes are good, actually."

 Lord Damocles wrote:
No! No! Wait And See what the FAQs, erratas DLC, and supplements do to fix the problem which doesn't really exist because LALALA I can't hear you!

It's getting tiresome. Do you guys play or played the game? I suppose not. And if the only contribution is 'huhu, those dumb GW fanboys, they're still playing that games, they didn't ascended like us, look at them and laugh!' it's not a great contribution to the thread, more an annoyance. But if it makes you feel better...

Looking at HH 3.0 I'm curious. I wasn't exactly fond with 2.0 and as a Mechanicum player double so. I just wait, see and finally play. Then it's time for a conclusion and maybe a rant.

Yes I regularly play the game - every week actually - and that's why I'm not particularly pleased with what has been shown, and seeing the consistent plethora of excuses which have at this point clearly been exposed as plainly wrong.

 blood reaper wrote:


Yes I regularly play the game - every week actually - and that's why I'm not particularly pleased with what has been shown, and seeing the consistent plethora of excuses which have at this point clearly been exposed as plainly wrong.

My apologies to you then.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Does anyone know how the Army building is going tonwork in HH3?

I mean, there's an entire WarCom article about it.

Should have been more specific.

I was referring to Knights and other large bipedal bricks.

The only bit mentioned is the Allied Lords of War Detachment, not sole Knight building.

Well, I guess we will wait and see if its a good fun and balanced game to play for anyone that go with the new rules and try to find a meta based on the rules, units and options available.

At the same time we already clearly see that many established armies and players will get the short end of it, and the transition to a new edition will be rough to say the least.

The Titan rules actually sound fun. Personally I'd say stuff like that belongs into a free legacy pdf while usual units like Destroyers and whatever should be in the common books, but what do I know about the HH community, apparently Titans are common enough they need their own subset of rules in the main rulebook .

Interesting. Tyrants lost the ability to swap their fist but gained the ability to swap their Combi-bolters.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Theres already evidence to support this. Theres already previous evidence from other game systems to support this. If it doesn't happen it will be more of a surprise to me.

So….you’ve no evidence for Heresy? Yeah?

Welp this aged well

Gorgons don't even have a gun

Read in the designers commentary on the website that some customisation is in but everybody is saying its been taken out. They also made reference to a Saturnine command squad being shown in a previous article but I couldn't find it.

Warhammer Community - The Horus Heresy round table – The origins of Saturnine armour wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rzbpqwiz/the-horus-heresy-round-table-the-origins-of-saturnine-armour/

Andy: You can expect a lot of calls to kitbash in the Journals. There’s so much cross-compatibility and modularity in The Horus Heresy range, which makes sense from both gaming and narrative points of view – many Legions had to scavenge and cobble together. We want to open up options for dedicated fans without forcing converted units into the Libers.

Neil: You can see this with the Saturnine Command Squad that was shown in a recent article, which is a kitbash brought together to make something unique, but not something we’d want people to feel required to make. Rules are coming in the second Journal Tactica.

Fayric wrote:New books is the best part of new edition. Always good quality and a great thing to have around.

Oh man do I have loads of outdated GW books. I get about 6 armybooks for AoS each edition despite not even playing the game. And old 40k books I had to move about two shelves to our gaming cellar a few years ago.

I've got loads of outdated GW books from the 90's and 00's. That's why these days I buy the vast majority of my books as ebooks. I don't have any of the 40K 10ed books because there's no ebooks, and it looks like I won't have any of the HH3 books either. They entirely removed the HH section from the Warhammer Digital site. Also, the latest Arcane Journals for TOW haven't gone up there yet.

 Gael Knight wrote:
Read in the designers commentary on the website that some customisation is in but everybody is saying its been taken out.

Customisation, but only if you pay £16.50 for a book, and it might include units that previously you didn't need anything but a Liber or army book for. So, in a technical sense, sure, customisation is there. In a practical sense, it's being locked behind a paywall.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:


Yes I regularly play the game - every week actually - and that's why I'm not particularly pleased with what has been shown, and seeing the consistent plethora of excuses which have at this point clearly been exposed as plainly wrong.

My apologies to you then.

I am not sneering at "GW fanboys" or whatever; I am upset that people can so brazenly go "wait for X" (we wait for X, guess what happens) then say, without blinking "wait for Y", etc. It's very clear they know exactly what's going to happen but they just dance around it.

Also the designers commentary is an absolute joke and exists purely to justify decisions made.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

It's getting tiresome. Do you guys play or played the game? I suppose not.

If I don't play the game, does that mean that a new edition isn't coming?
If I don't play the game, does that mean that the rules are just a tidy up of 2nd edition?
If I don't play the game, does that mean that the rules aren't a word salad?
If I don't play the game, does that mean that loads of options aren't being removed?
If I don't play the game, does that make you feel better?

 Gert wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Read in the designers commentary on the website that some customisation is in but everybody is saying its been taken out.

Customisation, but only if you pay £16.50 for a book, and it might include units that previously you didn't need anything but a Liber or army book for. So, in a technical sense, sure, customisation is there. In a practical sense, it's being locked behind a paywall.

That's certainly quite a choice by GW. That's a real shame. Are the formats going to be like mini codexes or what? I'm still a bit confused honestly.

 Gael Knight wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Read in the designers commentary on the website that some customisation is in but everybody is saying its been taken out.

Customisation, but only if you pay £16.50 for a book, and it might include units that previously you didn't need anything but a Liber or army book for. So, in a technical sense, sure, customisation is there. In a practical sense, it's being locked behind a paywall.

That's certainly quite a choice by GW. That's a real shame. Are the formats going to be like mini codexes or what? I'm still a bit confused honestly.

Journals will basically have some fluff, a scenario or two, and some alt units made using kitbashes or existing boxes.

Like the old Citadel Journels

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Like the old Citadel Journels

(Which cost £4)

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Like the old Citadel Journels

(Which cost £4)

Yes, things in the past were cheaper. Issue with capitalism in general, not just GW.

Man reading this and reddit has been really enjoyable, had a bad day so i needed a nice distraction.

Don't like the box set don't like the sound of the rules also the leaks almost looks like they are sunsetting the legion specifics with how barren they are. Building an army seems a little confusing (as opposed to just looking at a 20+ year old idiot proof chart i guess) and weirdly punishing for a very typical 2.0 list.

That said i guess building from scratch seems fun and if nothing else the 2.0 things it punishes, apothecaries and the obligatory recon squad were pretty boring auto-takes. Hate the symbols by the way, there had to be a better way to do it than a blurry picture of a spartan(?) etc.

I like the vanguard veterans but it seems strange they are adding such a ridiculously powerful unit just outta nowhere. I like that nemesis bolters are 48 like they always should have been (vets can't have them tho). I like the prime slot idea (would have been awesome in the old system hint hint homebrew writers). I like the sound of terrain and i like them getting rid of the squadron rule but a previous commenter nailed it when they pointed out it's pretty easy to take a ton of predators in 3000pts.

The arcane journal format is good but imo the problem is Arcane Journals are actually, y'know, good (ymmv haha) in terms of offering, new army lists, new units, new spells, new magic items. That journal tactica looks bum tbh (based on leaks of lame duck sounding units and the full contents being shown), it would be like getting an arcane journal that just had that 1 lame narrative scenario they all have in it.

Not happy about my Huscarls not being in the Imperial Fists table of contents in that leak. I guess they'll be in some supplement I have to buy? Maybe?

Have we had any pictures from the Heretic Liber yet? Interested to see if if they have more/less/equal customisation issues.

And I dont even play, but at least like to model my units as legal.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have we had any pictures from the Heretic Liber yet? Interested to see if if they have more/less/equal customisation issues.

And I dont even play, but at least like to model my units as legal.

They're better than the loyalists by all accounts


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 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

It's getting tiresome. Do you guys play or played the game? I suppose not.

If I don't play the game, does that mean that a new edition isn't coming?
If I don't play the game, does that mean that the rules are just a tidy up of 2nd edition?
If I don't play the game, does that mean that the rules aren't a word salad?
If I don't play the game, does that mean that loads of options aren't being removed?
If I don't play the game, does that make you feel better?

To add to all of this, if someone is put off playing the game, surely that's indication of potential players being missed by GW.

A current player should always want to grow the game.

Alpha Legion apparently made out like bandits.

"Take a unit from any other Legion" is a Prime benefit so you can have a couple.

SamusDrake wrote:
Titan rules...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/w4pg4fut/rules-in-the-age-of-darkness-how-to-fight-and-kill-a-titan/

See, this is the kind of stuff I want to see in 40k, too.

It looks like they ported titan damage and void rules from AT and did some touches. It also looks like scalable points and threat levels with the different princess to make games more interesting.

Really don’t like all the weapon options being taken away from special units- this reminds me of the Blood Angels codex that came out in White Dwarf.

Soooo either:

A: everything unique has almost no options and looks cookie cutter.

Or

B: we get to pay for IRL DLC, where everything is sold back to use over time as “new units”


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
It looks like they ported titan damage and void rules from AT and did some touches. It also looks like scalable points and threat levels with the different princess to make games more interesting.

I wonder if the Titans got a price drop so they could actually see play (beyond the stray Warhound).