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That's 20+ in the new format just to accomidate what was 3 HQ models in 2.0, buddy. To restore everything would be hundreds.

chaos45 wrote:

Anyone that supports the company at this point just likes to waste money......3d print or other methods are by far the best method to get the models at much more cost effective price points since the company has no desire to really respect or support the community and customers it has.

Look, I've explained this to you anti-GW types (maybe even you specifically) before.
They make models, I buy models.
When they make models that satisfy me concerning Price/Quality (including sculpt, material, etc)/My interests & needs/Availability (to an extent)? They get my $.
When they fail? They don't make a sale.
It's that simple.
I foresee this pattern continuing until I'm dead or shortly before. Or they go out of business. Wichever comes 1st. And I know wich I'm betting on.

Billicus wrote:
I remember when they took plasma pistols away from assault squads in I think 2E, and in my local GW they ran a whole session where you could bring your models in and they'd give you bolt pistols and help you swap them out.

Unthinkable now. Just send it to landfill and buy our new things, walking wallet

Oh, yes! They even called it PISTOL AMNESTY when they promoted it in White Dwarf!

chaos45 wrote:
40k models once legacy are then completely gone next edition same with AoS.

I keep seeing this posited, but I'm not convinced it's entirely accurate. I know there are a large number of named characters they dropped even Legends support for, but they at least gave examples of what you could use the models as.

No idea what will be revealed on friday but I found it interesting they mentioned the scenarios for Titans. A plastic titan would be a show stealer and would overshadow even marine reveals.

There will be a plastic thunderhawk before a plastic titan. And before then, solar aux needs their plastic superheavies, plus the glaive and falchion

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I remember when they took plasma pistols away from assault squads in I think 2E, and in my local GW they ran a whole session where you could bring your models in and they'd give you bolt pistols and help you swap them out.

Unthinkable now. Just send it to landfill and buy our new things, walking wallet

Oh, yes! They even called it PISTOL AMNESTY when they promoted it in White Dwarf!

That's the one! So there was a time when people at GW understood invalidating people's lovingly crafted models was a big deal. Now we're actually calling eachother out for having the gall to be upset about it at all. Stunning really

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
There will be a plastic thunderhawk before a plastic titan. And before then, solar aux needs their plastic superheavies, plus the glaive and falchion

And I think both of those releases are big enough that they would warrant pre-preview teases (like Sisters, Votann, etc.)

They wouldn't just be casually dropped as part of a boilerplate preview show, I don't think.

Probably?
We haven't seen the wall-o-clocks since Duncan left though, and "plastic thunderhawk" was on there...

More seriously though, they've had plastic fellblades in the background of battle photos ever since 3rd ed was announced.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
There will be a plastic thunderhawk before a plastic titan. And before then, solar aux needs their plastic superheavies, plus the glaive and falchion

Well, there's been more talk of a plastic Titan than a plastic Thunderhawk, but that too would be a show stealer.

I think GW did actually mention on a previous roadmap that we'd see new tanks this year, so now is certainly the time to show them.

anyone know how the 7th legion was effected by the rules changes.

 ashlevrier wrote:
anyone know how the 7th legion was effected by the rules changes.

-Looks like illastus assault cannons are now only available on the special IF pintle mount character and the Castellan Centurion upgrade. So no more assault cannon squads, or non decurion assault cannon pintle mounts, or assault cannons in contemptor fists.
-Phalanx Warders lost the ability to take bolters and special weapons for every 5 dudes. Templar brethren have to replace their bolt pistol for a combat shield, even though the model carries a shield with a bolt pistol underneath.
-Vigil storm shields now give you a 4+ invulnerable save and the heavy subtype. So literally no point in taking them on cataphractii terminators in which they are designed for already.

All in all, utterly trash for the 7th, as well as most the other legions. Characters are characters whatever, didn't bother looking.

Billicus wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I remember when they took plasma pistols away from assault squads in I think 2E, and in my local GW they ran a whole session where you could bring your models in and they'd give you bolt pistols and help you swap them out.

Unthinkable now. Just send it to landfill and buy our new things, walking wallet

Oh, yes! They even called it PISTOL AMNESTY when they promoted it in White Dwarf!

That's the one! So there was a time when people at GW understood invalidating people's lovingly crafted models was a big deal. Now we're actually calling eachother out for having the gall to be upset about it at all. Stunning really

I do think GW should try and be a bit more cognisant about the impact these updates have on gaming communities and the human beings that comprise them - this I think sometimes gets lost in trying to maximise revenue and deliver shareholder value.

We saw it before with Fantasy, the killing of which actually reduced a colleague of mine to tears. It wasn't so much the games themselves, but it was the loss of community. He so looked forward to the annual trips to Europe to take part in tournaments, they were the highlight of his life. And that was taken away.

As in that case, these updates will see communities split between v2 and v3 and some will leave. The only positive is that a company seemingly operating a monopoly (or overbearingly dominant) and treating its customers contemptuously as walking purses does mean other games will get an up-tick in players, which is probably healthy for the industry, as happened when WHFB was discontinued.

 Altruizine wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
There will be a plastic thunderhawk before a plastic titan. And before then, solar aux needs their plastic superheavies, plus the glaive and falchion

And I think both of those releases are big enough that they would warrant pre-preview teases (like Sisters, Votann, etc.)

They wouldn't just be casually dropped as part of a boilerplate preview show, I don't think.

Ah, but thats just the point, they need a huge "distraction carnifex" right now, so might drop something really spectacular.

Plastic Thunderhawk would be nice, NGL. I got one in my LI scale army "sketch", and while I'd like to have one for 28mil as well, it just isn't happening with the current resin model. The resin models weight alone makes it something that'd be a pain to store/move, require pinning etc, sounds like an absolute non-starter to someone like me. Sales of that one would be off the hook

Plus, if we got a plastic Thunderhawk, I could recreate that famous FW resin terrain bit with the crashed 'hawk.. would look brill and still be sort of manageable in terms of weight etc

AT Imperator would be good.

If they do release a plastic thunderhawk it better be able to build the transport version as well

So we're on plastic thunderhawk wishlisting for absolutely no reason again for the 47th time in 20 years?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So we're on plastic thunderhawk wishlisting for absolutely no reason again for the 47th time in 20 years?

You're forgetting the previous 20 years that came before that too

Well, dunno about a Thunderhawk.

But we did get some teasers from the last preview.



Seems to be Cataphractii armour. Unsure if new unit box, or character.



Certainly Mechanicum. Possibly Dark.



Auramite Spear, almost certainly Custards.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So we're on plastic thunderhawk wishlisting for absolutely no reason again for the 47th time in 20 years?

Why the heck not? I aint got anything better to ishpost rn

slightly more realistic wishlisting - Proteus Land Speeder, Dreadclaw in plastic (both DC and that biggest dropper, Kharybdis, were featured in a recent HH illustration with photoshopped models), MKV in plastic

 tauist wrote:
slightly more realistic wishlisting - Proteus Land Speeder, Dreadclaw in plastic (both DC and that biggest dropper, Kharybdis, were featured in a recent HH illustration with photoshopped models), MKV in plastic

Good calls. I'd go for the Javelin over the Proteus though.

 Pacific wrote:

Billicus wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I remember when they took plasma pistols away from assault squads in I think 2E, and in my local GW they ran a whole session where you could bring your models in and they'd give you bolt pistols and help you swap them out.

Unthinkable now. Just send it to landfill and buy our new things, walking wallet

Oh, yes! They even called it PISTOL AMNESTY when they promoted it in White Dwarf!

That's the one! So there was a time when people at GW understood invalidating people's lovingly crafted models was a big deal. Now we're actually calling eachother out for having the gall to be upset about it at all. Stunning really

I do think GW should try and be a bit more cognisant about the impact these updates have on gaming communities and the human beings that comprise them - this I think sometimes gets lost in trying to maximise revenue and deliver shareholder value.

We saw it before with Fantasy, the killing of which actually reduced a colleague of mine to tears. It wasn't so much the games themselves, but it was the loss of community. He so looked forward to the annual trips to Europe to take part in tournaments, they were the highlight of his life. And that was taken away.

As in that case, these updates will see communities split between v2 and v3 and some will leave. The only positive is that a company seemingly operating a monopoly (or overbearingly dominant) and treating its customers contemptuously as walking purses does mean other games will get an up-tick in players, which is probably healthy for the industry, as happened when WHFB was discontinued.

GW had that as late as 8th edition. When that started they gave players the opportunity to refund Codizes bought 6 months before the announcement of 8th.
We also got test rules in WD, a community driven campaign, Apocalypse rules that integrated FW rules and OOP models and other things that just tried to get people involved and rebuild some trust into the company. Nothing of that survived the transition to 9th edition.

Legacies article just dropped.

We’ve also noticed that some of you are concerned that certain units in your existing armies might not be usable in the new edition

Oh you noticed did you? You picked up on that? Did we actually all complain loud enough that you paid attention to us for a few minutes.

 Snrub wrote:
Legacies article just dropped.

We’ve also noticed that some of you are concerned that certain units in your existing armies might not be usable in the new edition

Oh you noticed did you? You picked up on that? Did we actually all complain loud enough that you paid attention to us for a few minutes.

I have a feeling this was cobbled together and pushed out ASAP. As for myself, I’ve cancelled my admittedly small pre order. Think I’ll wait for the dust to settle and to see how things are before I look to pick anything up. I can always grab things 2nd hand if I fancy a few MkIIs

From the article: "The army lists in the Liber books are a reflection of the current range of miniatures. They are written to reflect the contents of boxed units, so new players can build armies without feeling the need to buy multiple kits just to make one unit."

Ummm, so what is the point of the boxes of special/heavy/melee weapons then...? Or are they going to be being removed?

Just such a lame excuse for what they're doing.

This edition will continually expand the miniatures range in plastic – including some units in this Legacy list, which will return with new designs and possibly new weapon options and wargear.

Wonder what they’ll be.

 Snrub wrote:
Legacies article just dropped.

We’ve also noticed that some of you are concerned that certain units in your existing armies might not be usable in the new edition

Oh you noticed did you? You picked up on that? Did we actually all complain loud enough that you paid attention to us for a few minutes.

Damn, they really wrote out that massive list of stuff they dropped and it didn't click for them just how messed up that is? Likem damn! That list goes on and on for over a page!

I hope whoever made this idiotic decision is currently being excoriated for it.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

This edition will continually expand the miniatures range in plastic – including some units in this Legacy list, which will return with new designs and possibly new weapon options and wargear.

Wonder what they’ll be.

Personally, I am hopeful the new Mechanicum list means we at least get plastic Tech Priests and Scyllax.

Oh it likely clicked for them - however they also hit an iron wall of management policy change of "what's in the rules MUST be in the box and ONLY in that specific box"

Which GW has been hard rolling out. It's why even things like twin-linked-devourer winged tyrants are out despite being super popular for years because the HT kit doesn't have enough devourers to make the model. Even though you'd have ample spares from just buying one carnifex kit.


On the one hand the hyper-extreme angle of it is very unfriendly to gamers; esp as even when GW clearly plans to bring back old options with updated models; those updates could take years to appear on the market.

On the other hand for newbies it makes the game much more accessible. No having to work out IF other parts are in other kits; no having to buy two or three kits to build one model; no having to convert to get all the options.

 Snrub wrote:
Legacies article just dropped.

Do I get to say "I told you so" now?
Or would you like me to wait a few more days?