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I decided to join the holding pattern as I realize that the Armiger tax of 2.0 is going to be replaced with near mandatory Mechanicum Allied forces in 3.0.

I wonder if Warhammer stores will be handing out a Heresy Marine next month as their free model.

They'd need to give a whole sprue at this point

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I decided to join the holding pattern as I realize that the Armiger tax of 2.0 is going to be replaced with near mandatory Mechanicum Allied forces in 3.0.

I wonder if Warhammer stores will be handing out a Heresy Marine next month as their free model.

The mech detahment that is conveniently 50% sold out resin units no less

 Albertorius wrote:
Nah, I already had enough

You already what

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Nah, I already had enough

You already what

Crazy, I know!

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I decided to join the holding pattern as I realize that the Armiger tax of 2.0 is going to be replaced with near mandatory Mechanicum Allied forces in 3.0.

I wonder if Warhammer stores will be handing out a Heresy Marine next month as their free model.

The mech detahment that is conveniently 50% sold out resin units no less

If I can figure out how to build it, I will take my less-than-legitimate Warhound Titan, some Secutarii (aka Skitarii with different guns) and some Knights and call it a day.

If I was to start on a Knight/Titan army right now, I'd go with a Heretic Titan and a shedload of Dark Mechanicum technozombies. I alredy thought of a headcanon for it, where the Princeps turns their captured enemies into more footsoldiers. Loads of kitbash potential for the thralls.

Something about min-maxing turned up to elevensies feels very 40K to me (A God of War followed by a horde). Like that Krieg army I was planning, which would have been all infantry plus one superheav tank. You know the logistics of Astra Militarum right? The Kriegsmen were crawling in mud for years.. asked for a tank, and this is what they got

I still might do a Heretical army like that though.. in LI scale (where kitbashing thralls obviously wont be an option but yeh)

Do they lift the lord of war point cap for knight amd titan armies?

New Heresy toys arrive tomorrow. But, moving house in four weeks, and need to start sifting through stuff.

So I think I’ll be retrieving a rulebook, but otherwise leaving the big boxes untouched,

Horus Heresy downloads – Talons of the Emperor and errata

The roster of units available to Horus Heresy generals will expand further in a few days’ time, when the Legacies of the Age of Darkness arrives as a free PDF download. This extensive document features the rules and points for dozens of classic units, updated for the new edition of the game.

Talons PDF
FAQ

Welcome back Tartaros Power Fists lol.

 Gert wrote:
Welcome back Tartaros Power Fists lol.

And Gorgon combi-bolters! (Now give us the other options back!)

As expected, Custodian guard lost all of their weapon options that weren't in the box
Also, pre release 7 page faq/errata is just crazy.

Well Tartaros terminators got their fists back if anything else.

Also, all Auxilia Malcadors got their point costs dropped. Basic variant 45, others 25-30.

RIP Sisters of Silence. Dunno how many people actually converted all of those units from 2e but they lost all their flavor.

 CragHack wrote:
As expected, Custodian guard lost all of their weapon options that weren't in the box
Also, pre release 7 page faq/errata is just crazy.

Uh, they still have the forgeworld spears?

Sisters of Silence are in a strange spot. GW clearly likes them as they've appeared in video presentations and such - but to date they still have the smallest army range GW has ever done.

There's basically nothing there for them and more surprising is that GW kept them separated and their own thing and didn't just roll them into the Custodes army.



In some ways this new HH reminds me of that 4-6 or 7th edition era of 40K when GW was adding more options and heroes and such to armies but not giving them models. Which all blew up when Chapterhouse hit.
Just that instead of a steady whittling down, GW have gone 100% heavy handed all in one go (with the predictable backlash). I can't honestly be totally against the move but I do feel like they should have done it against a slew of new kits coming out at once - not just one boxed set for launch but a good dozen new kits/updated kits.

chaos0xomega wrote:
RIP Sisters of Silence. Dunno how many people actually converted all of those units from 2e but they lost all their flavor.

 CragHack wrote:
As expected, Custodian guard lost all of their weapon options that weren't in the box
Also, pre release 7 page faq/errata is just crazy.

Uh, they still have the forgeworld spears?

Yes, FW spears are still there. They've gotten better, but now Custodes have 0 options to tackle vehicles (no ability to purchase melta bombs) outside that.

Picked up a few Saturnine terminators from resellers. Looking forward to building them, using the journals to build more and then having them invalidated in 3 years.

 Overread wrote:
Sisters of Silence are in a strange spot. GW clearly likes them as they've appeared in video presentations and such - but to date they still have the smallest army range GW has ever done.

There's basically nothing there for them and more surprising is that GW kept them separated and their own thing and didn't just roll them into the Custodes army.



In some ways this new HH reminds me of that 4-6 or 7th edition era of 40K when GW was adding more options and heroes and such to armies but not giving them models. Which all blew up when Chapterhouse hit.
Just that instead of a steady whittling down, GW have gone 100% heavy handed all in one go (with the predictable backlash). I can't honestly be totally against the move but I do feel like they should have done it against a slew of new kits coming out at once - not just one boxed set for launch but a good dozen new kits/updated kits.

I don't think they needed to do it at all. Chapterhouse is basically an unknown to most present hobbyists. They've shot themselves in the foot and really cut off a massive section of the hobby for a lot of people. Any sales they lose to 3rd party will be completely dwarfed by 3D printing now anyway. GW need to concentrate on retaining people but their behaviour inspires very little loyalty. It's entirely brand strength and they're slowly eroding that too.

Can anyone decipher this?

"The Vanguard (X) Special Rule
Change the second bullet point included as part of this
Special Rule to read as follows:
• If a Unit that includes a majority of Models with the
Vanguard (X) Special Rule has at least one attack made
for it in a Combat that results in one or more enemy
Units that had at least one Model within 3" of an
Objective at the start of that Assault Phase either Falling
Back from Combat or being Massacred."

Delete the ‘Melee’ Trait from the Basic Close Combat Weapon Profile.

The Basic Close Combat Weapon is a Melee Weapon.

Glad that this stupid mistake was fixed right away

 Nicorex wrote:
Can anyone decipher this?

"The Vanguard (X) Special Rule
Change the second bullet point included as part of this
Special Rule to read as follows:
• If a Unit that includes a majority of Models with the
Vanguard (X) Special Rule has at least one attack made
for it in a Combat that results in one or more enemy
Units that had at least one Model within 3" of an
Objective at the start of that Assault Phase either Falling
Back from Combat or being Massacred."

If your Vanguard unit attacks an enemy within 3" of an objective and target Falls Back or is wiped out, you get X victory points.

I guess the original wording is the important part; does it say they all have to have vanguard? Like is this clarifying what happens when a character without vanguard joins a unit with it (like an assault squad)?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I guess the original wording is the important part; does it say they all have to have vanguard? Like is this clarifying what happens when a character without vanguard joins a unit with it (like an assault squad)?

The original wording has the Majority part but it only calls out Falling Back. This adds "or being massacred". The original wording nets you no points for killing the opponent, now it does.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Do they lift the lord of war point cap for knight amd titan armies?

Not sure: this is everything I know about Titans.

And the super lame bit about how you can't use them in regular games. You can only use them in "Engine Kill" Missions.

You know what, I actually don't mind that. A Titan is a curveball if you whap one out at an event.

Engine Kill missions also give the Titan more to do than just smash my dudes into teensy tiny ickle pieces. They’ve off-board targets to take out as one example.

I’m sufficiently interested to want to try one, especially as a non-Titan owner myself.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Do they lift the lord of war point cap for knight amd titan armies?

Not sure: this is everything I know about Titans.

And the super lame bit about how you can't use them in regular games. You can only use them in "Engine Kill" Missions.

You can use them in regular games via that first option of using it to fill your Primary LoW detachment. It's only if you want to use the Titanicus Primary Detachment that you have to play Engine Kill.

Day -1 faq is wild. Why would anybody pay GW for books anymore?

I expect those Libers will sell even worse than the starter set.

 Tamereth wrote:
Day -1 faq is wild. Why would anybody pay GW for books anymore?

Not the first time it's happened. Won't be the last.

GW seem to struggle to recruit a wide group of playtesters who won't leak stuff...

 Tamereth wrote:
Day -1 faq is wild. Why would anybody pay GW for books anymore?

I expect those Libers will sell even worse than the starter set.

I find this to be quite amusing.


Just reinforces my decision to stay with 2.0.