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 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Here's a picture of all the entire WE range as it is at the moment to give you a sense of it in full:

Spoiler:

(HN) wrote:
I know it's not PC to even aknowledge it these days, but the fact that half of them are made of clearly smaller and weaker female cultist (that sport the same "modest" tank top look that they gave to the new repentia) just totally kill the thing for me.
Call me istophob all you want, I'm just sick and tired of that forced inclusion gak that makes no sens. Yeah, sure, khorn cultist are the most inclusive bunch that will make place for tiny women in their group of roided muscle crazed berserkers.
Just stop.

These aren't regular cultists, they're beefed on Chaos power and are stronger than most other regular humans. Also, why wouldn't they allow women to join? If a someone wants to pick up a chainsword and spill blood for Khorne, regardless of their gender, the World Eaters would see that as a benefit.

Have you read what he wrote? Tiny women. Such specimens won´t spill any blood in hth. This is 40K and not an Intergender Professional Wrestling bout where the match outcome has been pretermined.


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 blood reaper wrote:
It would've been cool to do Teeth of Khorne armed with Plasma Cannons, imo. Like in the original art.



It would've made them distinct from CSM Havocs, added a bit of 'close support' ranged flavour, and felt like something new.

Instead, you get TWO varieties of possessed who look like they're wearing power armour shirts (I can't stand this aesthetic).

Yeah, at that stage of insanity they would be better off fighting in loincloth and gift their precious armour to someone who values it.

 blood reaper wrote:

I have always imagined Chaos Cults as a true last levy in which anyone is thrown into the grinder, so yes, literally anyone. Mutie hordes in older rulesets were literally made of pathetic, shambolic creatures whose only value was to absorb shots.

That was the horror of the Ferrozoican uprising in Necropolis that scared Larkin so much: Literally everyone in the city capable of holding a weapon had fallen to Chaos and taken up arms.

Thing is due to the blessings of Chaos even the elderly are going to end up looking like that in short order. As for children of course they are recruited; new marines have to come from somewhere.

There's an argument to be made about sexual diomorphism and relative strength between genders, but that argument is completely buried beneath the infused-with-warp-energy factor. And compared to the setting as a whole its positively reasonable next to the sea of impossibilities that exist in 40k. The -real- reason it is a 'problem' worth complaining about is due to real world politics. It has nothing to do with 40k.

So, is Lord Invocatus an alternate build of the Jugger-rider, or a completely different model?

Personally the army is missing a number of things:

Cult Terminators
Khorne Specific Helbrute
New plastic Blood Slaughterer more akin to the 1992(?) metal original.
Fast attack World eaters on Juggernaut unit.

The 3 man unit in standard and exalted form just looks awful to me, hope the kit has some helmets in it.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
So, is Lord Invocatus an alternate build of the Jugger-rider, or a completely different model?

It's an Alternate build from the same kit.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Personally the army is missing a number of things:

Cult Terminators
Khorne Specific Helbrute
New plastic Blood Slaughterer more akin to the 1992(?) metal original.
Fast attack World eaters on Juggernaut unit.

The 3 man unit in standard and exalted form just looks awful to me, hope the kit has some helmets in it.

You’d really rather the blood slaughterer looked more like this!?!? no model that ugly should be allowed to exist.

Yea sorry, hell to the naw for that lol. Forge world's is perfectly fine, but I could totally see alternatives that are not....that


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As for the models, I like them. I don't play the game anymore, it just got too stupid/corporate to handle. 8 daemons in a meat suit?.....riiiiight. I choose to ignore that.

The whole all melee all day long thing aside, I am definitely picking up the (not-)possessed and zerkers, but in order to convert.
The humans in that sense are kind of cool too. They seem to be undergoing conversion to space marines?
They have ports and cables all over, would also explain the big guy who is further along in the transformation.

It's the same for the other new CSM kits in general, they are great bases for conversions if you ignore the rules.
And when converting, the monoposing isn't nearly as much of an issue if you are committed to it.
That said, I feel sorry for any world eater players.

Nevermind the fact they basically already GOT a codex....only for it to be silently gutted again, Khorne Daemonkin anyone?
Those had their own fill of issues, but to be replaced by this?....oof.
And no red butchers, despite them getting rules in previous codices?....slow clap GW....slow clap.
Even for GW this is just sad.

I believe (but could be wrong, someone correct me if so) that it was confirmed at some point that Khorne Daemonkin only existed to shoehorn in the new Bloodthirster profiles into 40k.

And despite not playing WE, I really want to try my hand at converting an eightbound now but actually selling that there's eight bloodletters stuck in there. In my mind they should be almost spawn-esque, and the exalted ones should have a more humanoid form.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Here's a picture of all the entire WE range as it is at the moment to give you a sense of it in full:

Spoiler:

Berzerkers
Berzerker Lite
Berzerker Berzerkers
Berzerker Berzerkers +1
Big Boss Berzerker
Mounted Berzerker
Other Mounted Berzerker

Nothing quite reaches the level of idiocy as Wolfy "The Wolf" McWolfenwolf, riding a Wolf, wielding Wolf Claws, but we're not far off...

They are all aspiring to match the berserker heights of Murderfang from the planet Omnicide, who is driven by his Murderlust ability to utilize his Muderclaws in close combat... as a dreadnought with an EXPOSED HEAD.

(Sadly, I made none of that up.)

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They are all aspiring to match the berserker heights of Murderfang from the planet Omnicide, who is driven by his Murderlust ability to utilize his Muderclaws in close combat... as a dreadnought with an EXPOSED HEAD.

(Sadly, I made none of that up.)

And somehow, none of that fluff came from the same guy who gave us Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Bloodshard Rounds or the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FIST.

At some point one gets GW stockholm-syndrome and starts to enjoy it

Just a head swap on that master of executions? I don't recall seeing GW do any conversions on these official photos before......

balko8199 wrote:Just a head swap on that master of executions? I don't recall seeing GW do any conversions on these official photos before......

There were some pictures of conversions in the first version of the 8th edition CSM codex.

balko8199 wrote:
Just a head swap on that master of executions? I don't recall seeing GW do any conversions on these official photos before......

Yeah, conversions slip through every now and then. The last one I remember the internet making a a big deal over was a CK Wardog that had converted tentacles for the arm. A lot of us thought that would be in a new kit. Turns out was just a conversion.

Looks really cool too.

Wow 8 bound look terrible they look like they belong in AOS not 40k.

Going to buy a box of the Jakhals, use their heads and backpacks combined them with DKoK bodies and mays GSC neophyte arms...

Savlar Chem dogs

Boosykes wrote:
Wow 8 bound look terrible they look like they belong in AOS not 40k.

I actually really like that they don't look all that daemonic and mutated for possessed, I do think they were originally going to be plain bezerkers design wise though and someone put the breaks on and said they are a little tooooo much for a troop choice.. I also think the paint job isn't doing it many favours.



This guy in particular is really thematic... Lean into a more grimdark style paint scheme and he would be an excellent berserker.

The Exalted Eightbound are terrible though... However, open minded to the paint job being the main issue.

Edit: As soon as I posted I figured out why I hate the paint job so much. They have tried to paint them with a skeletal muscle and tendon style... And it's just too light and bright a red scheme.

I just think it looks like an awful kit from a build perspective. Makes 2 units, that pretty much look identical. There are seemingly no extra backpacks, and not even enough different arms that none are shared between the two units of 3 models it can make. It looks like the worst of modern GW design, and it’s one of the tiny amount of kits in the release.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I just think it looks like an awful kit from a build perspective. Makes 2 units, that pretty much look identical. There are seemingly no extra backpacks, and not even enough different arms that none are shared between the two units of 3 models it can make. It looks like the worst of modern GW design, and it’s one of the tiny amount of kits in the release.

I guess you can build the one you prefer and do the over as count as ? Your opponent sure won't see the difference

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I believe (but could be wrong, someone correct me if so) that it was confirmed at some point that Khorne Daemonkin only existed to shoehorn in the new Bloodthirster profiles into 40k.

And despite not playing WE, I really want to try my hand at converting an eightbound now but actually selling that there's eight bloodletters stuck in there. In my mind they should be almost spawn-esque, and the exalted ones should have a more humanoid form.

Yeah same. I was expecting Eightbound to be something more like the new possessed / cultist torments, but with recognisable bloodletter parts trying to manifest. If I can find the right base model to start with I'm keen to try a conversion instead of using the official models.

So any enthusiasm I had for the WE as an army has been completely crushed by this latest preview. Not that the models are bad, quite the contrary actually: I like them all.

Just... they do not make a functional army for me.

Those Jakhals look really cool... for Necromunda. They are "Mad Max: Fury Road", and I love it. If I had to use some form of khornate cultists though, I would take the Necromunda Corpsegrinders: more options, more Khorne, and probably cheaper overall in money too.

The Eightbound are odd. Cool models, and quite a few bits I would consider perfect for Terminator conversions. But... just three sculpts, just a few bits seperating the two "different" units? And of course I dread the price...

And that is it? Where are the Juggernaut riders to go with the lord? Where are the Berserkers so eager to get to the enemy they use jump packs or bikes? Where are the Red Butchers? Why not finally give World Eaters some ranged unit?

This feels even worse than what Thousand Sons got, and that is saying something!


Having said all that, the "WE Master of Executions" can be seen here in the top right corner:



Was GW as of late not adamant about "no model no rules"? That guy there is just a regular MoE with a Berserker head...

Chaosistency...

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I just think it looks like an awful kit from a build perspective. Makes 2 units, that pretty much look identical. There are seemingly no extra backpacks, and not even enough different arms that none are shared between the two units of 3 models it can make. It looks like the worst of modern GW design, and it’s one of the tiny amount of kits in the release.

I guess you can build the one you prefer and do the over as count as ? Your opponent sure won't see the difference

I think this should have just been the way to build the kit. Having one unit possessed by daemons is enough. Reducing the "official" ways of building the unit by cutting the component list for each build just because they wanted to force two units out of one set of sprues seems bonkers. I can't imagine their rules will be so different it matters which you take.

Also, the builds seem the wrong way round. Why are the marines who have managed to control the daemons more daemonic in appearance?

So 1 daemon makes a Possessed.

8 daemons make... Khorne Chosen?

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Edit: As soon as I posted I figured out why I hate the paint job so much. They have tried to paint them with a skeletal muscle and tendon style... And it's just too light and bright a red scheme.

Spoiler:

Ah, the Giant Gonzalez look. Doesn't look good at all.

Going from the GW screenshots they seem to be the same size, the possessed bases are the same size on theri screenshots.
If so, it would be great for making the possessed a little less possessed:


Just need to figure out how to get moulded pistols like the gal vorbak. I hate the idea that the possessed suddenly only use melee....they still have hands -_-

 Roknar wrote:
Going from the GW screenshots they seem to be the same size, the possessed bases are the same size on theri screenshots.
If so, it would be great for making the possessed a little less possessed:

Spoiler:

Just need to figure out how to get moulded pistols like the gal vorbak. I hate the idea that the possessed suddenly only use melee....they still have hands -_-

The plastic hours heresy kits have a ton of holstered pistols. They're also incredibly cheap on ebay ($1).

As for the pistol hands, the enlightened or whatever the proto-possessed marine that comes with the CSM killteam has a hand that's meant to be a daemonic hand holding a pistol. Its not super obvious but the hand is meant to be mutated like its open hand option

The star kit of Chaos on the latest news are the Jakhals.

I can see them used for so many things! I can even see some pit fighters potential there! Loverly!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They are all aspiring to match the berserker heights of Murderfang from the planet Omnicide, who is driven by his Murderlust ability to utilize his Muderclaws in close combat... as a dreadnought with an EXPOSED HEAD.

(Sadly, I made none of that up.)

And somehow, none of that fluff came from the same guy who gave us Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Bloodshard Rounds or the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FIST.

People give Kelly a pass for no damn reason when he's arguably just as bad as Ward, if not worse, because he's been around for way longer.

It really shows with whatever novels he had a hand in. Anyone read his Shas'O Kais novel?

 ImAGeek wrote:
I just think it looks like an awful kit from a build perspective. Makes 2 units, that pretty much look identical. There are seemingly no extra backpacks, and not even enough different arms that none are shared between the two units of 3 models it can make. It looks like the worst of modern GW design, and it’s one of the tiny amount of kits in the release.

It feels like this was probably meant to just be a single kit originally, but then something happened and they needed make two units out of it. Maybe there will be a lot more options on the sprues, I guess?