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I don't think lots of people complained when Craftworlds, DEldar and Harlequins got rolled into one tbh

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't think lots of people complained when Craftworlds, DEldar and Harlequins got rolled into one tbh

Dark Eldar are their own codex.

Whoops I meant Corsairs

Rolling things together into mega-codex could be a nice compromise between what we have and the index-style release many desire.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Whoops I meant Corsairs

People did complain about Corsairs because the FW army list actually made some sense instead the official GW "here's a unit, and then the elite version. Go nuts and forge the narrative" when there's no incentive to bring those units.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Whoops I meant Corsairs

People were fairly upset at this change though - largely because Corsairs had previously had a large (and very fun) army list in 6th and 7th which was cut down to a few units in 8th and then replaced by two units in 9th.

The Corsairs models were nice, but the treatment of the army wasn't well received by Corsairs players.

Dang, guess I was wrong then

 blood reaper wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Whoops I meant Corsairs

People were fairly upset at this change though - largely because Corsairs had previously had a large (and very fun) army list in 6th and 7th which was cut down to a few units in 8th and then replaced by two units in 9th.

The Corsairs models were nice, but the treatment of the army wasn't well received by Corsairs players.

Which gets into what HMCB is suggesting verses what people are afraid would happen. Which is kind of the practical issue with a lot of concepts, really

$38 for five metal horrors,
Not even the full unit.

Lovely

While I'm glad that the god-specific Legions get access to allying with the related daemons, I hope that there is something for the Undivided Legions as well. It would be ridiculous to not allow the Word Bearers at least to be able to have some kind of interaction. All of the Legions, as well as the Red Corsairs, make use of daemons in various ways.

Let the Galaxy Burn works if all the daemon units are Agents of Chaos so no special exception is needed for most Legions.

The Daemonic Pact rule seems to be targeted at the 4 god-aligned legions and their codexes lack of an Agents of Chaos exemption for their purity ability. Contagions of Nurgle for Death Guard and Cabblistic Rituals for Thousand Sons both lack interaction with Agents of Chaos, so that part of the rules doesn't help those armies. I presume they included World Eaters and Emperor's Children in the rule to future proof the rule. It also allows them to limit those 4 legions to the god-specific daemons.

Sigmar has the Chaos powers mostly split horizontally by God. Greater and lesser daemons are in the same book as elite mortal units and basic chaff, all dedicated to the same deity.

40k has the split mostly vertically, with greater and lesser daemons in one book regardless of deity, elite infantry in the form of csm as one book, and cultists, renegades, traitor guard originally in FW but now sorta crammed into the csm book. And then a partial effort at a horizontal split with death guard, thousand sons, and world eaters getting books with deity specific csm and mortals in a book, but related associated daemons still in the daemon book.

The 40k split cant be done as cleanly as sigmar since instead of just the four chaos powers, there are 5 functionally undivided csm legions, renegade warbands, and undedicated rabble that dont fit into those 4 books.

So how are the Belakor + the army rules?

 blood reaper wrote:
People were fairly upset at this change though - largely because Corsairs had previously had a large (and very fun) army list in 6th and 7th which was cut down to a few units in 8th and then replaced by two units in 9th.

But that wasn't a problem with putting them in the Eldar Codex, and more a problem with them removing all the options they had previously.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
So how are the Belakor + the army rules?

So right now it goes:
Slaves to Darkness (equivalent to CSM+LatD, markable and generic units)
Legion of the First Prince (Daemons equivalent, Be'Lakor's faction)
Blades of Khorne (equivalent to WE+DoK, all the Khorne stuff, can bring marked units on the side similar to Agents of Chaos)
Disciples of Tzeentch (TS+DoT, as above)
Maggotkin of Nurgle (DG+DoN, as above)
Hedonites of Slaanesh (EC+DoS, as above)

So each mono god army has all of the god-specific mortals & daemons, and can ally in markable generic units. IMO it works better and better represents what most players want to field. That said Legion of the First Prince lets mixed daemons be a thing, so AoS gets the best of both worlds. We'll see how it changes with the upcoming Slaves to Darkness battletome, but in the meantime Be'Lakor's mixed daemon faction is entirely viable if not quite strong.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I'm glad that the god-specific Legions get access to allying with the related daemons, I hope that there is something for the Undivided Legions as well. It would be ridiculous to not allow the Word Bearers at least to be able to have some kind of interaction. All of the Legions, as well as the Red Corsairs, make use of daemons in various ways.

You can. You can even mix gods. Without rule you think codex csm could ally but god specific legions would lose their bonus...

Iit also stops slaanesh daemons in world eaters etc

Word bearers are in great shape this season. Actually usefull legion bonus, cultist command and mutants, posessed finally gettin to be a fearsome unit, and now some decent way to include daemons.
It was fairly recent dark apostles was not even an option, and Crimsome Slaughter somehow ended up with the special rules for posessed.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
So how are the Belakor + the army rules?

Bel'akor is really, really strong. The army rules themselves are intreasting. The Warp Storm Mechanic is very much "Okay" I don't like the random aspect to it. The power in the army is mostly all in the datasheets. There are no subfactions or special rules for each faction, which is somewhat bland.

The army on the whole looks pretty balanced, with a lot of units getting a glow up. The trade-off is the abilities are a bit bland.

So do Daemon units in Belakor's army not get the -1 to hit at more than 12" trait the CSM units do?
Because that sucks.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
So how are the Belakor + the army rules?

So right now it goes:
Slaves to Darkness (equivalent to CSM+LatD, markable and generic units)
Legion of the First Prince (Daemons equivalent, Be'Lakor's faction)
Blades of Khorne (equivalent to WE+DoK, all the Khorne stuff, can bring marked units on the side similar to Agents of Chaos)
Disciples of Tzeentch (TS+DoT, as above)
Maggotkin of Nurgle (DG+DoN, as above)
Hedonites of Slaanesh (EC+DoS, as above)

So each mono god army has all of the god-specific mortals & daemons, and can ally in markable generic units. IMO it works better and better represents what most players want to field. That said Legion of the First Prince lets mixed daemons be a thing, so AoS gets the best of both worlds. We'll see how it changes with the upcoming Slaves to Darkness battletome, but in the meantime Be'Lakor's mixed daemon faction is entirely viable if not quite strong.

I think EviscerationPlague was asking about the 40k Belakors legion army rules or whatever its called, rather than an explanation of how Age of Sigmar works.

Yeah that's what I meant LOL

I'm wondering if it will be possible to put the glitchlings from the Gellerpox kit in a Nurgle daemon detachment

So, here's a summary of belakors disciples

Restrictions
- all units in army must have chaos keyword
- belakor must be your warlord
- no other named characters or daemon Princes are allowed
- no greater daemons or daemon engines are allowed
- no berzerkers, rubrics, plague marines or noise marines are allowed
- no world eaters, thousand sons, death guard or emperors children are allowed
- no marks of chaos are allowed
- no more cultists units in a detachment than traitoris astartes infantry
- no chaos titans or chaos knights (you can include one chaos knight from house korvax)
- if you include chaos knight and want to have it upgraded with favoured ability, you can only have blessing of dark master
- no mixing traitoris astartes and daemons in a detachment
- if you include daemons, you must have atleast one unit from every god before adding a second, third, etc.

Benefits
- all units gain disciples of belakor keyword
- chaos marine units gain legion disciples keyword
- daemons units gain legion daemonica keyword
- your army can include one chaos knight from house korvax (super heavy auxiliary), and it gains traits from chaos knights
- all troops gain obsec (currently only way to get nurglings obsec)
- chaos marines never gain legion trait (eg. Black legion, iron warriors), and they cannot use relics, stratagems or traits from csm codex
- you have access to belakors stratagems
- every psyker can have their powers from noctic discipline
- chaos marines gain disciples of shadow trait insted of legion trait (+ 1 combat attrition, - 1 to-hit if more than 12" away)
- your army has access to warp storm ability, even if it includes chaos marines

That seems very NOT worth it.

Agreed... if I wanted to soup, I'd rather do a patrol detachment for Demons with that funky 25% PL limitation.

Ditto. CSM + patrol of Daemons + SHAD of Knights just seems easier.

 Spreelock wrote:
So, here's a summary of belakors disciples

Restrictions
- all units in army must have chaos keyword
- belakor must be your warlord
- no other named characters or daemon Princes are allowed
- no greater daemons or daemon engines are allowed
- no berzerkers, rubrics, plague marines or noise marines are allowed
- no world eaters, thousand sons, death guard or emperors children are allowed
- no marks of chaos are allowed
- no more cultists units in a detachment than traitoris astartes infantry
- no chaos titans or chaos knights (you can include one chaos knight from house korvax)
- if you include chaos knight and want to have it upgraded with favoured ability, you can only have blessing of dark master
- no mixing traitoris astartes and daemons in a detachment
- if you include daemons, you must have atleast one unit from every god before adding a second, third, etc.

A huge degree of "What?" going on here.

The Daemon Prince and Greater Daemon stuff makes sense - but everything else is just nonsense.

 Spreelock wrote:
- no berzerkers, rubrics, plague marines or noise marines are allowed
- no world eaters, thousand sons, death guard or emperors children are allowed
- no marks of chaos are allowed

Isn't much of this redundant? Don't all those cult/legion models have marks of Chaos as well?

We don't know.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
- no berzerkers, rubrics, plague marines or noise marines are allowed
- no world eaters, thousand sons, death guard or emperors children are allowed
- no marks of chaos are allowed

Isn't much of this redundant? Don't all those cult/legion models have marks of Chaos as well?

So.

No, Rubric Marines don't actually have the 'Mark of Tzeentch' as per Codex: CSM. One of the stipulations for taking Rubrics in a CSM army is that you must PAY for the Mark of Tzeentch. The same applies to Plague Marines, and will apply to Berzerkers when Codex: World Eaters drops (right now, the Mark of Khorne is baked in, same as the Noise Marines).