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Tsagualsa wrote:
By that logic, nothing they say is really relevant until they show models in production, finished printed material and boxes. Everything before that could be changed again.

I mean, that's exactly where I'm sitting. From my perspective, this is a lot of excitement and waiting for something that could very well end up being tabletop vaporware.

No real sense in waiting and hoping when there's tons of good fantasy rank n' flank on the market now Nevermind that WHFB veterans have 8 editions to can pick from, as long as they didn't toss or sell their books when the editions changed or the End Times hit.

You can put your minis on the table now, if you have a WHFB army. If you don't, there are other companies making fantastic fantasy minis suitable for rank n' flank, and about a ker-billion STL creators if you own or have access to a resin printer.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
So, the latest releaae mentions Avasar Kull. Can he co exist with Louen the Orc Slayer? Different wikis say they lived a century apart?

Yeah, Louen Orcslayer started his reign in 2201 iirc and was noted to have personannly lead the cleansing of Bretonnia from Orks for the next century, and Asavar Kull can easily be centuries old due to chaos shenanigans, and did of course die in 2304 at the culmination of the Great War against Chaos. Kings of Bretonnia are usually also Grail Knights and have much extended lifespans due to the Grail's magic, so it checks out.

There is certainly scope for those two to be contemporaries given Louen could have been around for decades. Assuming they keep to the same lore as previously though, Louen would be dead and buried by the time of the Great War itself, as would his (presumed) successor as Jules was killed by a Chaos Knight on the Northern Coast of Bretonnia some time just prior to 2297 IC, sparking the Affair of the False Grail.

 Psychopomp wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
By that logic, nothing they say is really relevant until they show models in production, finished printed material and boxes. Everything before that could be changed again.

I mean, that's exactly where I'm sitting. From my perspective, this is a lot of excitement and waiting for something that could very well end up being tabletop vaporware.

No real sense in waiting and hoping when there's tons of good fantasy rank n' flank on the market now Nevermind that WHFB veterans have 8 editions to can pick from, as long as they didn't toss or sell their books when the editions changed or the End Times hit.

You can put your minis on the table now, if you have a WHFB army. If you don't, there are other companies making fantastic fantasy minis suitable for rank n' flank, and about a ker-billion STL creators if you own or have access to a resin printer.

Also those alternatives to GW work out substantially cheaper, for quality that is on par with the GW Lord of the Rings range. So more suitable for rank and file models.

If the new GW Warhammer Fantasy Battles is a good system adding it to a collection of rules will just add more option. As the setting is even further back in the setting than it was previously, it means that a lot more historical kits will also fit in nicely.

Stick to the news and rumours please.

Nice to see some more square based Wolf boyz on Warhammer Community

 Mr Morden wrote:
Nice to see some more square based Wolf boyz on Warhammer Community

Tell me wrong, but doesnt it feel a fresh paintjob? Or they just have a photo from a unit, that isnt in production for like 2-3 years.

I mean you guys propebly know the rumour from hastings, that GW have painted up some Orc boar boys. Now this. Do you think they will bring back squatted minis?

The previous studio examples look very similar but have the banner hair painted red. Could just be they updated the unit they had in storage.

 Platuan4th wrote:
The previous studio examples look very similar but have the banner hair painted red. Could just be they updated the unit they had in storage.

Who knows, it need not mean a lot, there's always the possibility that the OOP miniatures are just touched up for a showcase for the 40th anniversary celebration, or that some limited made to order runs will be made available for that.

 Platuan4th wrote:
The previous studio examples look very similar but have the banner hair painted red. Could just be they updated the unit they had in storage.

Last time I saw the Warhammer worlds exibition models on video, they all where on ovals and rounds. Why would you store old models?
Also what are people going buy for the game, when it starts. Do you think they updated all minis for all of the factions?

 herjan1987 wrote:
Why would you store old models?

Because GWHQ has a literal GW museum that they the rotate game history displays for. Someone even noted that the Tomb King models were on display during the summer in the last thread.

Also don't forget GW models are paid to be painted, its an investment. Why throw that away when the amount of space to store them is tiny. As long as they've a sensible inventory system they can store up loads of models. Especially as they typically only paint up one squad per model box; so they aren't sitting on vast armies each time they make a model.

 herjan1987 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Nice to see some more square based Wolf boyz on Warhammer Community

Tell me wrong, but doesnt it feel a fresh paintjob? Or they just have a photo from a unit, that isnt in production for like 2-3 years.

I mean you guys propebly know the rumour from hastings, that GW have painted up some Orc boar boys. Now this. Do you think they will bring back squatted minis?

Honestly? It would take them zero effort to bust out some boxed sets like the old Battalion boxes from older molds. Take up a bit of space on shelves, but all contained and away you go. Maybe supplement boxes with the elite units. It'd give them plenty of kit to hit the ground running when TOW launches.

 herjan1987 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The previous studio examples look very similar but have the banner hair painted red. Could just be they updated the unit they had in storage.

Last time I saw the Warhammer worlds exibition models on video, they all where on ovals and rounds. Why would you store old models?
Also what are people going buy for the game, when it starts. Do you think they updated all minis for all of the factions?

They buy new models? Do you think they will release multiple armies all at once? Would be nice but not hoping for getting loads of old kits back on sale.

tneva82 wrote:

They buy new models? Do you think they will release multiple armies all at once? Would be nice but not hoping for getting loads of old kits back on sale.

Okay, but let's say they put out Kislev,Chaos and Empire at first, thats whats the rumours say. What, if I am a new player and into Dwarfs or Tomb Kings or Orcs and Goblins? What do they sell to me then?

 herjan1987 wrote:
Okay, but let's say they put out Kislev,Chaos and Empire at first, thats whats the rumours say. What, if I am a new player and into Dwarfs or Tomb Kings or Orcs and Goblins? What do they sell to me then?

We don't know how GW will handle this, perhaps they haven't decided yet? But I agree that all those WHFB models still on sale with AOS-packaging is looking more and more like an elephant in the room.

It makes a lot of sense for GW to repackage or re-release the old WHFB-models but It's not how they usually operate. One could also argue that it doesn't make sense to support a new game with old models.

Time will tell, I'm very curious about this myself! I also dream of MTO for Perry Empire and Kevin Adams O&G!

 herjan1987 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

They buy new models? Do you think they will release multiple armies all at once? Would be nice but not hoping for getting loads of old kits back on sale.

Okay, but let's say they put out Kislev,Chaos and Empire at first, thats whats the rumours say. What, if I am a new player and into Dwarfs or Tomb Kings or Orcs and Goblins? What do they sell to me then?

Nothing.

What does GW sell for xenos players in adeptus titanicus? Nothing.

They would in this case wait for new orcs&goblin models etc to come out.

Or rather they aim to get you buy new models. Not put out old models on sale you MAYBE don't have already.

GW would also find it tricky to put up new model price to old models.

tneva82 wrote:
They would in this case wait for new orcs&goblin models etc to come out.

Not impossible at all, I could see GW doing it this way. But I really do wonder where that would leave the 20+ boxes of old WHFB O&G models that are currently on sale under the AOS-brand?

Night Goblins, Savage Orcs, Spider Riders, River Trolls etc are all there right now! Would GW just pretend that they are not WHFB-models? Again, not impossible, I can see GW doing exactly that too.

GW tends to hate cross -selling - they vaguely do it with Underworlds and AOS but its all super minimum effort. They could do a lot more with things like Daemons, beastmen etc across ranges.

On the army lists; I feel like they’re going to follow the HH pattern and release fewer but larger compilations of related models with separate lists. It would certainly work for the Empire factions at least; the basic human troopers with all the specific elements in appendices.
Same for chaos, vampires.
Less so for O&G and the rest though but then HH has things like liber imperium that houses 3 completely unrelated lists.

Im really excited for the OW, but drawing of models and concepts we've arleady seen decades before, isnt really building up on that excitement. Would be fun to see at least one model, even if it wont be release untilll a few years (they've done it for sob)

 streetsamurai wrote:
Im really excited for the OW, but drawing of models and concepts we've arleady seen decades before, isnt really building up on that excitement. Would be fun to see at least one model, even if it wont be release untilll a few years (they've done it for sob)

They already talked about that essentially every Kislev unit in TWW3 is a potential new Kislev model since the designs originated in the GW design studio.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The previous studio examples look very similar but have the banner hair painted red. Could just be they updated the unit they had in storage.

Who knows, it need not mean a lot, there's always the possibility that the OOP miniatures are just touched up for a showcase for the 40th anniversary celebration, or that some limited made to order runs will be made available for that.

That exact picture is in the 8th edition O&G army book, page 85. So, no, it's not an updated unit, they just recycled an old image.

GW has/had at least 2 studio painted Wolf Rider units, one with spears (the one with the red banner) and one with bows (this one with the grey banner).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The previous studio examples look very similar but have the banner hair painted red. Could just be they updated the unit they had in storage.

Who knows, it need not mean a lot, there's always the possibility that the OOP miniatures are just touched up for a showcase for the 40th anniversary celebration, or that some limited made to order runs will be made available for that.

That exact picture is in the 8th edition O&G army book, page 85. So, no, it's not an updated unit, they just recycled an old image.

GW has/had at least 2 studio painted Wolf Rider units, one with spears (the one with the red banner) and one with bows (this one with the grey banner).

There's an old studio version with bows that also has a red banner:

Okay, they probably have a few studio units of them then I guess.

But the pic they just posted on WHC is definitely an old pic that dates back to at least the 8th ed army book.

I can confirm that the image, with the black tassles, is from the 8th ed army book - not a new image.

All I want to know is one thing....

Round bases or squares?

Seeing gw answered that years ago,..

Now size of bases they haven't commented

 Dekskull wrote:
All I want to know is one thing....

Round bases or squares?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/21/square-bases-and-kislev-ascendant-see-your-questions-about-warhammer-the-old-world-answered/


From the first freaking page of this thread.

 Rihgu wrote:
I can confirm that the image, with the black tassles, is from the 8th ed army book - not a new image.

Okay, why keep a ten year old image around?

Also I said, that hastings was rumoring that they painted up some Orc boar boys recently and old Tomb Kings and Bretonnian plastics went back to production to recieve fancy paintjobs.

Source:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M-oyypDZe6s

Look at 1:34

 herjan1987 wrote:

Okay, why keep a ten year old image around?

Why not? GW constantly reuses artwork, and i some cases photographs, that are years or even decades old. Producing photographs or other reproductions costs money, reusing assets that you already acquired or produced just makes sense from an economic perspective, especially if you need to pad out a lot of filler articles and social media chaff at all times.