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Yeah, bigger bases is the right call, IMO. It'll make the transition for people with existing armies a little bumpy, but it's a good long-term strategy. Citadel miniatures' scales have crept so much since the 20mm/25mm base standard was established.

Not a massive problem. And I’m sure we’re be spoiled for choice for third party base adapters.

I wonder what those previewed Bretonnian arms are for? If they are re-releasing the old kits those arms must be from a brand new kit, Foot-Knights? Some sort of upgrade-kit?

nathan2004 wrote:From the WarCom article "Knights of the Realm (on foot and mounted)"

I didn't play Brets before so my knowledge is limited but were foot knights a thing?

They were a thing in 3:rd/4:th edition. I think they disappeared in 5:th edition with the first Bretonnian armybook.

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:So what are the odds that all these old kits they're bringing back are going to end up being direct order only?

Probably low but I would love to be wrong. It would be great to be able to pick up some classic kits with a discount!

Thank you Ohman for that throwback Bret pic, I don't play Brets and have no designs to but dang I love every single model on display.

Also, I've been reading this a lot in this thread but can someone link or DM me sites where they sell third party base adapters please?

Thanks in advance.

Returning models, especially as old as Bretonnia, has sapped a lot of my enthusiasm to be honest. There’s a reason I didn’t have a bretonnia army, and that was 10-15 years ago. They’re only going to look worse next to new models that they are getting.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Returning models, especially as old as Bretonnia, has sapped a lot of my enthusiasm to be honest. There’s a reason I didn’t have a bretonnia army, and that was 10-15 years ago. They’re only going to look worse next to new models that they are getting.

Brets are going to get new models, unless the preview they had a while back was for an upgrade sprue which admittedly would suck. I think these pics were meant to show that old players could use their old models from the start and not have to feel they have to toss them and buy the new Primaris Brets.

They clearly say they are bringing back old kits

Well...bigger bases were predictable. TBH 20mm was indeed a bit too tight as they kept releasing new models in Battle's last years. It's honestly for the better.

Now waiting for KoW to do the same.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Spent ages rebasing to round AoS (O&G army), its not fun so yeah good luck with that.

Yeah, not rebasing 600+ Skaven, 500+ Goblins, plus all the other armies with 100-300 models.

I rebased my 2nd 40K Terminators to 40mm. Those were maybe 20 models (SM & CSM). Not a big deal. Just glued them on the new base without scrapping the sand of it. However there are also around 100 night goblins in my collection and these will stay on 25mm otherwise I would go nuts.


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 Londinium wrote:
The base creep will also allow some more dynamic WHFB units as well, which I'm all for. As much as I dislike AOS, one of it's few positives is the dynamism and beauty of some of the new models.

While WHFB is never going to have this fully, aside from with characters and monsters, it's a decent half way house allowing for a bit more flair in the rank and file.

For people moaning about having to rebase, just use movement trays.

You can´t be an individual in a regiment.

Well I am pleased there is at least going to be some "historic" differences and yeah using more of the 3rd edition list would be great to give it that difference.

Base change size is a big issue if the combat system is the same, as who is in base contact with who will be screwed up by somebody using old sized bases.

Unless the individual doesn't matter and only the units base size, which then makes me wonder why they wouldn't just go full kings of war multibase style?

 triplegrim wrote:

 Tronbot2600 wrote:
Finally! Trying to rank up 6th - 8th edition kits is such a pain...I have way too many units that have to be assembled in exactly the same way every time or they don't rank up at all.

I probably won't actually re-base my current armies but invest in some new movement trays with spacers so I can switch between editions if I needed.

Have to agree. When I saw the base size rumor over at Faeit I took out my 3 x 20 stormvermin and 3 x 30 clanrats and they simply cant rank up with command and a hero. Not without some difficulty at least.

If they make 20 models the size of a large infantry unit, 25mm is ok to increase to. For friendly games with old armies, no big deal if you dont rebase.

Yeah, readying my Stormvermin always used to give me a huge headache. I had the bases magnetized and used steel trays, so there would be an occasional violent connection, and with all those skinny halberds poking everywhere it always felt like a coin toss whether I would snap something. Clanrats weren't quite as bad, but their weapons were even flimsier and more at risk. Even at the time it was abundantly clear that larger bases were a necessity.

I started basing some of my stuff on 25mm anyway, mostly due to having oathmark stuff on those bases and being much happier with the units look overall. A tad annoying that GW won't be doing 20mm bases and sounds like they are getting rid of their 23.5x50m (or what ever odd size they actually were, as they are not 25mmx50mm!) as I would have liked a matching and easy source for more of those for my goblin army.

I'm looking forward to the 'its the end times' threads due to GW 'demanding' base size changes. But for all the things they can and have changed in the past, this isn't that much of an issue outside of those that play with very 'strict' groups.

 The Phazer wrote:
That seems the most common sense approach. Really, base sizes barely worked by the end of WFB, they needed to go up.

I mean, it could be argued that the better approach would be to have designed models to fit within the established base sizes... but obviously it's a little hard to cram that particular genie back into the right sized bottle now.

Skink and goblin units are going to look silly on 25mm bases. Likewise most human-sized or smaller archers... the article pic with the Bretonnian archers has massive spaces between the models in each rank.



I'm more likely to stick with 5th edition, so will also be sticking with the older bases. But it's nice to have confirmation of older kits coming back...

How long before we see one of the MDF companies producing mvoement trays with 20mm slots spaced to work as 25mm bases, do you think?

Flush with the front, 5mm spacer between bases, 2,5mm at the flanks. Shouldn't be tricky to design.

As more details come out I'd expect to see companies making MDF and 3D print movement trays for AoS models to work in Old World.

Heck we might even see some base adaptors for monstrous and larger models if they can work.

I expect adaptation because people will want to use armies in both games; esp since a good chunk of AoS armies are just Old World armies

 Dysartes wrote:
How long before we see one of the MDF companies producing mvoement trays with 20mm slots spaced to work as 25mm bases, do you think?

Flush with the front, 5mm spacer between bases, 2,5mm at the flanks. Shouldn't be tricky to design.

I've had Litko do custom stuff for me in the past and they could do that easy (and probably not all that expensive, honestly)

 Dysartes wrote:
How long before we see one of the MDF companies producing mvoement trays with 20mm slots spaced to work as 25mm bases, do you think?

Flush with the front, 5mm spacer between bases, 2,5mm at the flanks. Shouldn't be tricky to design.

they already exist for a game called Oathmark charlie foxtrot models makes them

https://www.charliefoxtrotmodels.com/blogs/news/new-releases-movement-tray-for-20mm-bases-oathmark-size

But your probably right in that we will se a lot more companies making them.

Sasorijap wrote:
They clearly say they are bringing back old kits

Nothing about what models return and what not though. Could be bret gets all new and it's elves, dwarves etc who gets old models. Could be eret gets mostly old with maybe new heroes, grail/questing knights(think these were metal?) And maybe new unit.

Hard to say what returns and what is new.

tneva82 wrote:
Nothing about what models return and what not though. Could be bret gets all new and it's elves, dwarves etc who gets old models. Could be eret gets mostly old with maybe new heroes, grail/questing knights(think these were metal?) And maybe new unit.

I would by surprised if they chose to showcase an army using models that aren't actually going to be re-released, though.

 insaniak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Nothing about what models return and what not though. Could be bret gets all new and it's elves, dwarves etc who gets old models. Could be eret gets mostly old with maybe new heroes, grail/questing knights(think these were metal?) And maybe new unit.

I would by surprised if they chose to showcase an army using models that aren't actually going to be re-released, though.

Unless they want to keep new models secret.

But yes that would fall on 2nd case i mentioned. We'll see.

If the goal is to keep new stuff secret, they have a whole facility full of several decades worth of previous armies they could showcase rather than wasting time and resources assembling a new army from obsolete miniatures.

The most likely scenario, IMO, would be that any of the old plastic kits that fit into whatever redesign they have put the army books through will see a re-release, and new models (at least to begin with) will be those that were previously metal or 'fine'cast.

Given how much stuff they need to release to get the game going, that seems like the only logical route.

They specifically said they painted up the army for photography which means this army is going to feature in a book. It would be pretty strange to use obselete minis in the rulebooks of a new edition. It does seem that the knights of the realm kit is not going to be updated, which is a pretty big surprise after last month's news. I really thought we'd get a starter box with all new models for the core Bretonnia and Tomb kings units.

Instead it looks like we're keeping the old core units and getting plastic versions of metal kits or new units. That strikes me as a pretty weird way to do things.

To me it makes sense that GW would keep new models close to the chest before the release of the 40K. Given how well The trebuchet looks i think it is metal and not Finecast.

I really like the confirmation of Grail and Questing Knights and the new Foot Knights are part of the list. The Plastics we saw last month a likely part of the foot knight kit.

Chikout wrote:
They specifically said they painted up the army for photography which means this army is going to feature in a book. It would be pretty strange to use obselete minis in the rulebooks of a new edition. It does seem that the knights of the realm kit is not going to be updated, which is a pretty big surprise after last month's news. I really thought we'd get a starter box with all new models for the core Bretonnia and Tomb kings units.

Instead it looks like we're keeping the old core units and getting plastic versions of metal kits or new units. That strikes me as a pretty weird way to do things.

Less expenses for one. Plastic sprues aren't free.

How many new SKU's you expect to get?

New KoTR, keep metal grain knights instead?

Strg Alt wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Spent ages rebasing to round AoS (O&G army), its not fun so yeah good luck with that.

Yeah, not rebasing 600+ Skaven, 500+ Goblins, plus all the other armies with 100-300 models.

I rebased my 2nd 40K Terminators to 40mm. Those were maybe 20 models (SM & CSM). Not a big deal. Just glued them on the new base without scrapping the sand of it. However there are also around 100 night goblins in my collection and these will stay on 25mm otherwise I would go nuts.


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 Londinium wrote:
The base creep will also allow some more dynamic WHFB units as well, which I'm all for. As much as I dislike AOS, one of it's few positives is the dynamism and beauty of some of the new models.

While WHFB is never going to have this fully, aside from with characters and monsters, it's a decent half way house allowing for a bit more flair in the rank and file.

For people moaning about having to rebase, just use movement trays.

You can´t be an individual in a regiment.

This can't be stressed enough. You can spot the people who've never moved let alone fought in formations before in this discussion. The reason those blocks worked is because of unison movement. You were SUPPOSED to look exactly like the person next to you.

Chikout wrote:
They specifically said they painted up the army for photography which means this army is going to feature in a book. It would be pretty strange to use obselete minis in the rulebooks of a new edition. It does seem that the knights of the realm kit is not going to be updated, which is a pretty big surprise after last month's news. I really thought we'd get a starter box with all new models for the core Bretonnia and Tomb kings units.

Instead it looks like we're keeping the old core units and getting plastic versions of metal kits or new units. That strikes me as a pretty weird way to do things.

The rumors says a small 2023 release, empire vs orcs or perhaps empire vs chaos. Then fam favorites Dwarf and maybe Kislev. Which means not Bretonnia or Tomb King release the first year or so. Could be they will be selling the old models for the armies not re-released to get the game going and feed the marked dry of nostalgia purchases and then pimp the new shiny models a year or so into TOW

I'm not sure if I'll go over and redo bases for my armies (6 or 7 of them), that would be quite a task to say the least. For my Tomb Kings alone I have about 12k points so that's a lot of bases!

Also while they say they gonna sell bases of the new size, I wonder if it's gonna be all flat bases, or some option with slotta in them. All the old metal minis with tab would like that.

I'm not against the change here, the minis definitely needed that. Some units were a puzzle that only fitted one way and you had to plan it during the gluing stage, otherwise you could end up with minis that just don't rank up at all.

 Skywave wrote:
I'm not sure if I'll go over and redo bases for my armies (6 or 7 of them), that would be quite a task to say the least. For my Tomb Kings alone I have about 12k points so that's a lot of bases!

Also while they say they gonna sell bases of the new size, I wonder if it's gonna be all flat bases, or some option with slotta in them. All the old metal minis with tab would like that.

I'm not against the change here, the minis definitely needed that. Some units were a puzzle that only fitted one way and you had to plan it during the gluing stage, otherwise you could end up with minis that just don't rank up at all.

25mm with slotta is available from 3rd parties already in the aftermarket. I think I can probably rebase even a large 3000 pts army in an evening. Its painting and flocking that is the problem.

It’s the storage issue that puts me off most, bumping up the size of every base increases the shelf space needed massively.