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 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surely - surely - today is the day when The Old World will be properly revealed, right?

Not just another "And here's a new Bretonnian minis that will come out sometime in the future!" nonsense we've gotten up to now, right?

I hope so just to put a stop to the ludicrous ‘2025’ claims every other post.

Edit: lol, hadn’t gone on to the next page. Kinda have to admire the commitment to something so in danger of being disproven within hours.

Come again?

I take no pleasure in being so right about them revealing a few bretonnians and blueballing us for a release. I am however a little ashamed at believing they MIGHT have shown a tomb king model, that was obviously too optimistic. My apologies for not being realistic enough.

2025 release is the most likely looking at what they have now.

 kodos wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 caladancid wrote:
If I was GW, I would be totally fine with throwing out very speculative release dates knowing that a portion of the fanbase will 1) buy it and 2) defend any sort of delay to the death when it happens.

I don't think anyone is defending, they are just looking for logical reasons why there's a delay. Ergo understanding why a delay might have or has happened for something.

Understanding can help temper expectations for the future. Eg if you know that product X was delayed because of a general shipping issue then you can expect more delays on other products. But if it was delayed because of a purely internal thing - eg a mixup on some components - then you know it might have a reduced knock on effect on other unrelated products etc....

if there is a delay, we just assume GW won't be that stupid to skip the 40th anniversary, but that was already at Warhammer Fest and the chance already missed with that event

for now all we have is that it was always planned for 2024, and GW just never thought that the people associate Warhammer (the generic brand) with TOW, the same way people don't expect TOW when visiting a Warhammer store

Well that's your assumption. We know neither though


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 triplegrim wrote:

I take no pleasure in being so right about them revealing a few bretonnians and blueballing us for a release. I am however a little ashamed at believing they MIGHT have shown a tomb king model, that was obviously too optimistic. My apologies for not being realistic enough.

2025 release is the most likely looking at what they have now.

Uuh...seeing they just confirmed early 2024 release...you MIGHT want to reconsider that last phrase.

Or you seriously claim to know tow release date better than gw itself?

It's 2024. 2024. 2024. 2024.

How many more repeats you want?-)

Rather funny you keep going on about 2025 literally barely after hour gw flat out proved you wrong.

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 caladancid wrote:
If I was GW, I would be totally fine with throwing out very speculative release dates knowing that a portion of the fanbase will 1) buy it and 2) defend any sort of delay to the death when it happens.

I don't think anyone is defending, they are just looking for logical reasons why there's a delay. Ergo understanding why a delay might have or has happened for something.

Understanding can help temper expectations for the future. Eg if you know that product X was delayed because of a general shipping issue then you can expect more delays on other products. But if it was delayed because of a purely internal thing - eg a mixup on some components - then you know it might have a reduced knock on effect on other unrelated products etc....

if there is a delay, we just assume GW won't be that stupid to skip the 40th anniversary, but that was already at Warhammer Fest and the chance already missed with that event

for now all we have is that it was always planned for 2024, and GW just never thought that the people associate Warhammer (the generic brand) with TOW, the same way people don't expect TOW when visiting a Warhammer store

Well that's your assumption. We know neither though


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 triplegrim wrote:

I take no pleasure in being so right about them revealing a few bretonnians and blueballing us for a release. I am however a little ashamed at believing they MIGHT have shown a tomb king model, that was obviously too optimistic. My apologies for not being realistic enough.

2025 release is the most likely looking at what they have now.

Uuh...seeing they just confirmed early 2024 release...you MIGHT want to reconsider that last phrase.

Or you seriously claim to know tow release date better than gw itself?

It's 2024. 2024. 2024. 2024.

How many more repeats you want?-)

I believe that when I see it. Untill then, no way this game is 6 months from release, as they try to bs the congregation into believing, and I doubt it'll be a christmas 2024 release too.

tneva82 wrote:
Well that's your assumption. We know neither though

and the other assumption is simply based on wishful thinking and now searching for an excuse so that they were still right

if GW does not even delay the supplement release for LI, which is just stupid to get that stuff previewed before the actual game is released, no chance that TOW was always planned for that slot
because that slot was planned for LI add-ons

We’ve seen the plastic sprue for the Pegasus. The rest are either 1 new plastic unit, returning models, or resin

Why is it unlikely to be ready next year??

So, the crappy metal kits are being re-released in resin. Sigh... at this point I don't even know why I dared to hope.

 triplegrim wrote:

I believe that when I see it. Untill then, no way this game is 6 months from release, as they try to bs the congregation into believing, and I doubt it'll be a christmas 2024 release too.

Ah. So ego prevents admitting being wrong and you'll keep repeating 2025 even when it's in stores front of you january 2024.

Off to ignore list. Not worth my time to read your posts more.

 triplegrim wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 caladancid wrote:
If I was GW, I would be totally fine with throwing out very speculative release dates knowing that a portion of the fanbase will 1) buy it and 2) defend any sort of delay to the death when it happens.

I don't think anyone is defending, they are just looking for logical reasons why there's a delay. Ergo understanding why a delay might have or has happened for something.

Understanding can help temper expectations for the future. Eg if you know that product X was delayed because of a general shipping issue then you can expect more delays on other products. But if it was delayed because of a purely internal thing - eg a mixup on some components - then you know it might have a reduced knock on effect on other unrelated products etc....

if there is a delay, we just assume GW won't be that stupid to skip the 40th anniversary, but that was already at Warhammer Fest and the chance already missed with that event

for now all we have is that it was always planned for 2024, and GW just never thought that the people associate Warhammer (the generic brand) with TOW, the same way people don't expect TOW when visiting a Warhammer store

Well that's your assumption. We know neither though


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 triplegrim wrote:

I take no pleasure in being so right about them revealing a few bretonnians and blueballing us for a release. I am however a little ashamed at believing they MIGHT have shown a tomb king model, that was obviously too optimistic. My apologies for not being realistic enough.

2025 release is the most likely looking at what they have now.

Uuh...seeing they just confirmed early 2024 release...you MIGHT want to reconsider that last phrase.

Or you seriously claim to know tow release date better than gw itself?

It's 2024. 2024. 2024. 2024.

How many more repeats you want?-)

I believe that when I see it. Untill then, no way this game is 6 months from release, as they try to bs the congregation into believing, and I doubt it'll be a christmas 2024 release too.

Congregation is a great way of describing it haha.

 GaroRobe wrote:
We’ve seen the plastic sprue for the Pegasus. The rest are either 1 new plastic unit, returning models, or resin
Why is it unlikely to be ready next year??

releasing Bretonnia early next year is out of question

For the sane portion of the readership, here's the announcement in writing.

Now the phrase “at launch” has been used a lot, and we are delighted to be able to confirm that Warhammer: The Old World will be released in early 2024. As we get closer to release we’ll be revealing more details of this game of fantasy battles in the World of Legend, and revealing plenty exciting things including miniatures and books.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/14/warhammer-day-preview-the-kingdom-of-bretonnia-revealed/

And on the stream, Old World was said to be one of the first releases of 2024.

Right, then. Sorry for interrupting. Feel free to go back to denying facts.

So to confirm, one of the flagship releases for TOW consists of a single plastic unit, a plastic hero set, and 4 resin characters?
That's less content than I would expect for an 8E army book update.

Mozzamanx wrote:
So to confirm, one of the flagship releases for TOW consists of a single plastic unit, a plastic hero set, and 4 resin characters?
That's less content than I would expect for an 8E army book update.

Seems consistent with what we've been shown especially this year. GW wants all the nostalgia monies but none of the risk of investing in a potential dud. It's conservative to the point of torpedoing the game's success. In a way it doesn't get more GW than that.

Does the 2024 launch include Kislev? Cathay? Tomb Kings? Those were the releases they teased to excite gamers like me.

If 2024 just sees a book, Bretonnia, Emoire and a handful of rereleased old models for some of the old ranges, then I would say they did not reall deliver on the tease. It would be a great big Made to Order, and great for people who think the rules are the important part of a release, but a total dud as far as I’m concerned.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does the 2024 launch include Kislev? Cathay?

I'd advise forgetting about those.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does the 2024 launch include Kislev? Cathay? Tomb Kings? Those were the releases they teased to excite gamers like me.

If 2024 just sees a book, Bretonnia, Emoire and a handful of rereleased old models for some of the old ranges, then I would say they did not reall deliver on the tease. It would be a great big Made to Order, and great for people who think the rules are the important part of a release, but a total dud as far as I’m concerned.

Kislev and Cathay aren’t coming, anytime soon at least. We had a list of factions that are being focused on to start with and they aren’t among them.

It occurred to me that while they are hyping "big box" regiment kits containing a full size unit in a single box, the previewed foot knights appear to come in a box of 10. On the one hand they are a "small elite unit" which make sense in a 10 man box, on the flip side, thats not really a "regiment", is it?

tneva82 wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:

I believe that when I see it. Untill then, no way this game is 6 months from release, as they try to bs the congregation into believing, and I doubt it'll be a christmas 2024 release too.

Ah. So ego prevents admitting being wrong and you'll keep repeating 2025 even when it's in stores front of you january 2024.

Off to ignore list. Not worth my time to read your posts more.

Yeah, totally bizarre temper tantrum or whatever for this guy to be taking. They literally said it will be one of the first releases out of the door in early 2024. If GW is willing to confirm that then its as good as a done deal, only way it gets pushed back is if they have to last minute destroy all the rulebooks and reprint them like they did with LI.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does the 2024 launch include Kislev? Cathay? Tomb Kings? Those were the releases they teased to excite gamers like me.

If 2024 just sees a book, Bretonnia, Emoire and a handful of rereleased old models for some of the old ranges, then I would say they did not reall deliver on the tease. It would be a great big Made to Order, and great for people who think the rules are the important part of a release, but a total dud as far as I’m concerned.

All signs point to "no". As has been discussed ad nauseum, this seems to be a "soft launch" focused on getting the rules out and getting people playing rather than a full on hard launch with all new models and content like we've come to expect from Horus Heresy, AoS, 40k, etc. New core rulebook plus rules for the 9 or whatever core factions plus pdfs legends army lists for the 7 factions that are cut from the game. Return of the legacy model kits for those core factions plus a literal handful of new plastic kits for Tomb Kings and Bretonnia and a bunch of new resin heroes and whatnot, followed by a slow dribble of new plastics/resins for some of the other factions. Theres no timeline on Kislev or Cathay or anything really substantial beyond that, I suspect we may see a substantial release of new models for Kislev or another faction late next year or possibly in the 2025 timeframe. TBH I don't think Cathay is coming for quite some time, possibly several years.

 SgtBANZAI wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does the 2024 launch include Kislev? Cathay?

I'd advise forgetting about those.

That’s what I was afraid you were going to say.

chaos0xomega wrote:
It occurred to me that while they are hyping "big box" regiment kits containing a full size unit in a single box, the previewed foot knights appear to come in a box of 10. On the one hand they are a "small elite unit" which make sense in a 10 man box, on the flip side, thats not really a "regiment", is it?

guess even GW figured out that let people pay current prices for old models in a 10-16 model box is a little too much
so putting more models in the box so it looks less bad

on the other hand, if 32 models is the new standard size aka a "full regiment" at 8x4, this will be 24cm wide and you won't fit a lot of those "full regiments" on a 6x4 table

new characters look nice, guessing resin so a "no" here. Hoping the foot knights are plastic, of all the new stuff thats the one I *really* want to be plastic, and the one unit the old 6th edition book was sorely missing

The foot knights were confirmed plastic, thats not even a subject of debate.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The foot knights were confirmed plastic, thats not even a subject of debate.

Excellent, hadn't heard that, this is excellent news and they seem to aesthetically be a good fit with the rest, a box, perhaps even pushed to two will be added. have a few other games human knights on foot will work for as well so happy with that

Pegasus Paladin and Paladin with Banner are dope. Foot Knights are also dope.

Im happy with what I've seen

 kodos wrote:
as wrong as the people claiming it must be 2023 and GW will never miss the opportunity to release TOW with 40th anniversary

I don't think a 40th anniversary is that big a thing, I would imagine GW is really aiming for the big event, the 50th anniversary in 2033.


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(Just saw the early 2024 confirmation, excuse my humor, put me down for some men at arms and foot knights I think)

chaos0xomega wrote:
It occurred to me that while they are hyping "big box" regiment kits containing a full size unit in a single box, the previewed foot knights appear to come in a box of 10. On the one hand they are a "small elite unit" which make sense in a 10 man box, on the flip side, thats not really a "regiment", is it?

tneva82 wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:

I believe that when I see it. Untill then, no way this game is 6 months from release, as they try to bs the congregation into believing, and I doubt it'll be a christmas 2024 release too.

Ah. So ego prevents admitting being wrong and you'll keep repeating 2025 even when it's in stores front of you january 2024.

Off to ignore list. Not worth my time to read your posts more.

Yeah, totally bizarre temper tantrum or whatever for this guy to be taking. They literally said it will be one of the first releases out of the door in early 2024. If GW is willing to confirm that then its as good as a done deal, only way it gets pushed back is if they have to last minute destroy all the rulebooks and reprint them like they did with LI.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does the 2024 launch include Kislev? Cathay? Tomb Kings? Those were the releases they teased to excite gamers like me.

If 2024 just sees a book, Bretonnia, Emoire and a handful of rereleased old models for some of the old ranges, then I would say they did not reall deliver on the tease. It would be a great big Made to Order, and great for people who think the rules are the important part of a release, but a total dud as far as I’m concerned.

All signs point to "no". As has been discussed ad nauseum, this seems to be a "soft launch" focused on getting the rules out and getting people playing rather than a full on hard launch with all new models and content like we've come to expect from Horus Heresy, AoS, 40k, etc. New core rulebook plus rules for the 9 or whatever core factions plus pdfs legends army lists for the 7 factions that are cut from the game. Return of the legacy model kits for those core factions plus a literal handful of new plastic kits for Tomb Kings and Bretonnia and a bunch of new resin heroes and whatnot, followed by a slow dribble of new plastics/resins for some of the other factions. Theres no timeline on Kislev or Cathay or anything really substantial beyond that, I suspect we may see a substantial release of new models for Kislev or another faction late next year or possibly in the 2025 timeframe. TBH I don't think Cathay is coming for quite some time, possibly several years.

This is what makes no sense to me. Back in 2020, GW said that bear models were coming to TOW. Here is the link so you can't deny it. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/11/old-world-update-bearsgw-homepage-post-4/

Three years later, even you admit that appears to be as good as gone. And yet, you and others still take and defend GW's word as good and react so strongly to those who rightfully question them. Baffling.

chaos0xomega wrote:
It occurred to me that while they are hyping "big box" regiment kits containing a full size unit in a single box, the previewed foot knights appear to come in a box of 10. On the one hand they are a "small elite unit" which make sense in a 10 man box, on the flip side, thats not really a "regiment", is it?

Depends. All the pictured regiments so far have been on the small side - 10 foot knights, 18 peasant infantry, 6 mounted knights etc. That might just be down to unspecified practical reasons (e.g. that is all they have painted at the moment), or it could be an indicator that they are basing the game scale off of earlier editions of warhammer where those kind of regiment sizes were actually fairly typical. That would make sense for pandering to a sense of 1990s nostalgia and it would also help to keep the cost of entry in check. Harping back to an era where swordmasters typically came in units of 6-12 rather than 40-50 would certainly tempt a lot more people into buying in.

I am firmly hoping the "horde" stuff of 8th is banished

 rybackstun wrote:
Pegasus Paladin and Paladin with Banner are dope. Foot Knights are also dope.

Im happy with what I've seen

I dont mind resin, so I'm happy with all I've seen. Models looks good. Cant wait to give them a brighter look and paint job. And the unicorn with roses and barefeet rider is my favorite looking all time bretonnia model I think, after green knight.

As long as Forgeworld Resin means actual FW resin and not "It's finecast but we called it Forgeworld"

I got the resin Eisenhorn from the US site last year and it wasn't FW resin. However, it wasn't quite Finecast either. It's doable but I've had better resin elsewhere.

I guess it probably shouldn't be surprising the Kislev ice guard might be scrapped. It was very not-Warhammer-Fantasy-Battles.