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I'd rather not get lung cancer from working with FW resin, not to mention I'd rather get actual value for my money.

Would like to see Bile Trolls and Plague Ogres come back, seeing they always revisit some of the Forgeworld stuff.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Would like to see Bile Trolls and Plague Ogres come back, seeing they always revisit some of the Forgeworld stuff.

For whatever reason, they’re leaning away from god specific units. Hence the lack of juggerknights, seekers, etc

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Still have that Helcannon from back when it was Last Chance to buy...kind of annoyed they it was in Resin as I wanted the Metal model but Ebay prices are nuts. Was hoping it would be re-released in Metal as well but I guess that was too much to wish for.

At least its not finecast resin any more!

now they're in a hurry to get everything out

odd thing to leave out existing models of units wth profiles, it doesn't make much sense.

with such rich history of chaos models, I was expecting some realms of chaos mto or rare randomness like the bearmen of urslo as mercenaries.

and I hope not even a single new character or interesting old models/mto doesn't set a precedent for future armies (I really want Scarloc and Handmaidens mto!)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OMG it happened, people are nostalgic for Forsaken, the universally hated upon release laughing stock of a kit.

Yeah, as a product in isolation, the Forsaken kit sucks. But if you are a Chaos player of any of the 5 stripes, its a goldmine for bits to customize your army. I'd buy 2 boxes for that purpose alone.

depends on what you want, it wasn't even great for that
it made nice mutated Chaos Warriors or Barbarians, but those than were just better looking Forsaken

 Da Boss wrote:
I love how the Chaos Warriors look all ranked up - really intimidating imo!

I have said it many a time before and I will say it again: the 6th ed Chaos Warriors instantly evoke the Mark of Chaos trailer (for the uninitiated or nostalgic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5enBMSH5ghc), and for that reason, they are perfect.

These Chaos Warriors have not been gone long enough to be nostalgic about. We are still glad to finaly be rid of them.
So many cool champions and sorcerers they could have done as made to order.

Manticore has some really cool riders, but the beast itself look like a fat guy in a plush suit for childrens TV show.

Disappointed. Had hoped for at least one new model seeing as every other faction has received some, doesn't seem like the warshrine is in the arcane journal though that's somewhat expected with the no models in both systems nonsense, and no forsaken which were a bits gold mine. And given all of the riches on offer for chaos that made to order selection is far too light.

Guess it's a matter of waiting for the Praag narrative to actually receive something new, but I'm underwhelmed in the meantime.

What I really want to see is an MTO for the Realm of Chaos books.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
What I really want to see is an MTO for the Realm of Chaos books.

Yes.

And a reprint of Waaaargh! The Orks. Maybe with the comparatively scant lore sections of ‘Ere We Go! and Freebooterz added, if we can’t have all three volumes.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OMG it happened, people are nostalgic for Forsaken, the universally hated upon release laughing stock of a kit. Just waiting for someone to be glad we're getting the Manticore and Chimera back. So far no such brave soul.

I don't think anyone would argue that the Forsaken kit alone is good, by any means.

But some of the heads and arms are great to beef out models in fantasy, aos, or 40k and it's been impossible to get them anywhere

Haha!

That’s where you’re wrong!



That kit and its background were ace. It showed the colossal, staggering, downside of Chaos Worship. That becoming Chosen was as much a matter of luck than judgment. And that there are stages of damnation.

It reminded me of Proper Manky Body Horror Chaos. Where the Gods care not how you’re rewarded, only that you were.

There’s also a certain nobility to them in the background. That you might be horrifically mutated and potentially crippled by the same? But maybe, just maybe, you can ascend to Daemonhood. And even if you’re not that lucky, die gloriously before you become a Chaos Spawn.

There seems to be quite a bit of hate/shock that there are no new models.
Remember this was all planned out 6 months to a year ago and production done, packaging, transport and accumulation at warehouses around the world for simultaneous release.

There have only been old models released for all factions, with a spinkling of 1-3 new models per faction (mostly characters) with the exception of the full unit of bretonnian foot knights.

I think the release of old models that would fit with people's existing collections and the need to not spend any money on new kits/models was a sensible idea for GW until they could see how profitable/successful it would be.

The ramp up in releases indicates that there has been a pivot by GW to focus more on WTOW, but as I indicated earlier, it cannot be done overnight it takes months for the logistical side of things to wash through.
Now though expect a rush on the main factions and when that is done GW will be able to work out what to do with legacy armies and may start to support them.
Or they may then go back to the main armies and start doing new models for them.
Or a combination of both.

How about chaos dwarfs with the legacy list redone in the 90s style (my favorite) but with modern techniques in manufacture?

I've heard from numerous staff that WTOW has been outselling AOS for months (although that was at the tail end of the last AOS edition).
Anecdotally in my area WTOW has more players and several AOS players switched over, either with old armies, or starting completely new ones, and there are only a handful of hardcore players left.
I'm rebasing my O&G army and am looking at buying orc chariots and other models and I have a huge O&G army, so GW will be making money on sales even from me.

 kodos wrote:
depends on what you want, it wasn't even great for that
it made nice mutated Chaos Warriors or Barbarians, but those than were just better looking Forsaken

For me it's a kit for conversions, not just simple kitbash. The Forsaken looked silly because they A) had too much random mutations on one model and B) needed too fit in a regiment. You don't have those restrictions if you use the parts in other games and with other models.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Skywave wrote:
Gaulrauch as the special character is cool, and wonder who the other one might be. It cannot be any Archaon models, and timeline-wise I don't know if Arbaal or Egrimm were around, but I'd really love to see Egrimm back as a model!

Egrimm started as a magister of the Light College, which hasn't been founded yet, so he's out as a possibiliy. I don't know if Arbaal ever got an origin story, so nothing rules him out. Maybe we'll get yet another rendition of Scylla Anfinngrim!

Arbaal was the one who broke the gates at the Siege of Praag, and survived the final battle where Chaos was defeated. Valnir the Reaper was also present during those events, but he didn't survive.

 Baragash wrote:
Valnir the Reaper was also present during those events, but he didn't survive.

That was retconned, Valnir was now killed during the End Times.

I guess Arbaal was no longer Undefeated...still one of my favorite mini's ever made by GDubs

 Marshal Loss wrote:


Guess it's a matter of waiting for the Praag narrative to actually receive something new, but I'm underwhelmed in the meantime.

There won't be a Praag narrative for a very long time if ever. GW was quite clear on that point.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 kodos wrote:
depends on what you want, it wasn't even great for that
it made nice mutated Chaos Warriors or Barbarians, but those than were just better looking Forsaken

For me it's a kit for conversions, not just simple kitbash. The Forsaken looked silly because they A) had too much random mutations on one model and B) needed too fit in a regiment. You don't have those restrictions if you use the parts in other games and with other models.

so the 40k players are excited to get a bits box, the same way they were excited about Stormcast to make TrueScale Blood Angels

The kit being good because you want to use it in another game is not really a point as it would take up a slot for release that is filled with a unit useful for TOW

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Baragash wrote:
Valnir the Reaper was also present during those events, but he didn't survive.

That was retconned, Valnir was now killed during the End Times.

Valnir’s whole backstory was that he died at Praag but was resurrected by Nurgle to continue reaping. Presumably it was the resurrected Valnir that died/was destroyed in ET. He’s just not the same character without the first death.

Does leave a niche for a pre-death Valnir for TOW though.

Here's the part that confuses me:

Warhammer Community wrote:...and while there is a new special character featured in Arcane Journal – more on her in due course – there are no new miniatures scheduled in this release.

So, new character, but NOT a new mini? Have they done that recently?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Here's the part that confuses me:

Warhammer Community wrote:...and while there is a new special character featured in Arcane Journal – more on her in due course – there are no new miniatures scheduled in this release.

So, new character, but NOT a new mini? Have they done that recently?

Sounds like they intended you to use either Khagra or her sister sorcerer, but didnt get clearance to bring them over to square bases.

I get a kind of gut feeling that the whole "divide the model lines" was a late plan not an early plan. So it might be that for Slaves to Darkness (which GW couldn't take out of AoS like they did Beastmen and I'm still surprised they got away with that!) the AOS team was going to poach a few models.

You think GW will rerelease the old Emperor chaos dragon from forgeworld?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Haha!

That’s where you’re wrong!

That kit and its background were ace. It showed the colossal, staggering, downside of Chaos Worship. That becoming Chosen was as much a matter of luck than judgment. And that there are stages of damnation.

It reminded me of Proper Manky Body Horror Chaos. Where the Gods care not how you’re rewarded, only that you were.

There’s also a certain nobility to them in the background. That you might be horrifically mutated and potentially crippled by the same? But maybe, just maybe, you can ascend to Daemonhood. And even if you’re not that lucky, die gloriously before you become a Chaos Spawn.

I agree with this. I would have bought these guys back in the day, but I was suffering major WHFB burnout from that edition. So I wasn't buying models for a game I wasn't playing. Now that I'm getting ready to play again, they're a unit I genuinely want. I'd use them as ironically-named Chosen in this edition if I could actually get them.

I like that all the minis in the current Chaos Vanguard are tagged as "Returning" in TOW.

GW should sell a set of square "Chaos" bases and call it good.

 Overread wrote:
I get a kind of gut feeling that the whole "divide the model lines" was a late plan not an early plan. So it might be that for Slaves to Darkness (which GW couldn't take out of AoS like they did Beastmen and I'm still surprised they got away with that!) the AOS team was going to poach a few models.

I don't think so. They have been doing it for years with 40K/Horus Heresy. It was probably planned from the start, especially with which factions were going to be supported vs. legacy.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I like that all the minis in the current Chaos Vanguard are tagged as "Returning" in TOW.

GW should sell a set of square "Chaos" bases and call it good.

With the exception of the chariot abd the lord, they're entirely different models.