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**JWh85**

I just ordered Ogdruz! So happy he's finally coming out. I'm having a great time with the Troll Horde

**Fayric**

I still sit down with the 8th edition FB book from time to time, to just see the cool scenery they built using the various house kits, combining walls bits build uniqe struktures. Beautifull book to just flip through for inspiration.

**kodos**

I got the Arcane Ruins back in the days, on store sale as they were not really worth it for the full price

Now the kit is not very good compared what else you get on the market and specially not for that price

**lord_blackfang**

Yea I mean this kit is kinda doing the same thing, but a lot more for less...

https://archon-studio.com/shop/products/dungeons-lasers/land-of-the-giants

**Just Tony**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Just Tony wrote:
Because narrative players insist that every game system needs to cater to them whole hog, despite how little of the customer base they actually make up.

Man is this some god tier anti Matched Play snark or what?

I would call it accuracy. If narrative players could get GW to break the game to the point that it was impossible for any casual or competitive play, they'd do so in a heartbeat. All other forms of play are wrong to them.

**kodos**

Good that TOW is purely competitive for now as there is no single "public" game in the region that is not a tournament training game

Bad narrative players trying to get something that was announced by GW instead of another tournament game were WAAC players argue that the rules written are not to be used because the designer intended something different

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lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I mean this kit is kinda doing the same thing, but a lot more for less...

https://archon-studio.com/shop/products/dungeons-lasers/land-of-the-giants

Even if you stick with GW
https://www.warhammer.com/de-AT/shop/ruins-of-middle-earth-2022

**Overread**

How about both sides of the argument agree that

1) It doesn't mater if its narrative, competitive, casual or whatever - some people are just jerks when they play

2) GW doesn't chase narrative nor matched play players in a singular fashion. They just make some rules. Sometimes they are almost balanced; sometimes they aren't balanced at all - its luck of the draw what you get and it won't matter in the grand scheme of things because in 3 years they'll replace them.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I mean this kit is kinda doing the same thing, but a lot more for less...

https://archon-studio.com/shop/products/dungeons-lasers/land-of-the-giants

Had a look, it’s nice! But £54.00, compared to the Arcane Ruins £47.50.

**lord_blackfang**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I mean this kit is kinda doing the same thing, but a lot more for less...

https://archon-studio.com/shop/products/dungeons-lasers/land-of-the-giants

Had a look, it’s nice! But £54.00, compared to the Arcane Ruins £47.50.

It's only a 1.50€ difference in the € zone but I admit I misremembered how much someone above said they paid for Arcane Ruins (it was 62,50 versus Land of Giants 64€)

In any case my advice is "just buy extra Manors instead" (74€ from a discounter)

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I could go the Arcane Ruins and the Land of the Giants

**GaroRobe**

The Slayer of Legend is slightly more expensive than "Grombrindal," despite literally being the same model.

**Fayric**

Whats left of my arcane ruins is in the attic somewhere. A really bad kit to put together and to small to intract with.

**Mallo**

Chikout wrote:
Mallo wrote:
The arcane ruin was about what I expected for the sprue amount it contains, but is over priced for what it really is as a whole.

I also got two as its one terrain piece I never got way back when, I want one for an 'as is' and one for the wizards tower conversion from White Dwarf.

Picked up another three Manors. I honestly don't expect them to keep stocking them long term, so I might grab a few more if they are still in stock later. Its insane discount to buy as a whole rather than the buildings alone, the extra walls/tiles and outer walls are worth it alone, a couple of sets of them would let you build a good set of village walls with gate I'm sure.

I also got three sets of hills. I see a lot of people complain about them here and online, but honestly I suck at making terrain and they look nice. I think with less than an afternoons work they will match my table and work for almost every game I play and being plastic can be cut up to be converted to add some more variety (I might make one into some Barrow downs). I brought a basic foam cutting set but to be honest, work has be so worn out recently that I just don't have the energy to be making hills from scrap- but I can buy these and throw some glue and grass down on them. Quick and not too costly for a gw product.

Do you run tournaments? Why do you need 'another' three manors?

No, I do not run tournaments.

It was cheaper to get sets than buying the buildings separately.

I want to convert the converted wizard tower from an old white dwarf (That alone uses two chapels and one tower + a bunch of other parts).

My gaming room supports a permanent 12 foot by 4 foot table set up, with space to increase that to 24 foot if I want to run a big siege or mega game during the holidays/special occasions. I currently don't have anywhere near enough terrain to cover that space though. I have one manor from back when they were available before, an extra watchtower I brought at not quite ebay prices before TOW came back and a couple of the old foam buildings.

I wasn't aware there was a limit on purchases.

**Lord Damocles**

GaroRobe wrote:
The Slayer of Legend is slightly more expensive than "Grombrindal," despite literally being the same model.

Ironic, since when 'Grombrindal' was released, he was more expensive than the slayer because the picture on the packaging had the model with white hair instead of orange.

**frankelee**

If GW is smart there won't be a limit on purchases! If they could actually keep these in stock for two full years that would be awesome. Very low effort profit. A lot of Mordheim boards will include some of these sets too.

I had to search pretty hard to find an Arcane Ruins ten years ago, it's an okay little set, but nowhere close to being worth 60 bucks. Nowadays with 3d printing there has to be way better stuff to purchase for that price.

**GrosseSax**

I was surprised to see my two local shops, neither of which have a TOW scene, sell out of their allotted Fortified Manor pre-orders within a few hours.

**Prometheum5**

Mallo wrote:

I want to convert the converted wizard tower from an old white dwarf (That alone uses two chapels and one tower + a bunch of other parts).

Hey, offhand, do you have the WD issue number for that?

**Skywave**

What I liked about the Arcane Ruins (got one from back in the day), was that there was a lot more pieces in there than you really need for the ruins itself, unless you love the look of using all the columns and stone header on that one piece. Even then you got like 3 broken column (2 parts each) as leftover.

I used only one header on it, and a few ruined columns on the rest of the spot, and it left me with a good amount of spares for other projects! I got two decently sized scatter terrain pieces and out of it and still had leftover!

**DaveC**

Prometheum5 wrote:
Mallo wrote:

I want to convert the converted wizard tower from an old white dwarf (That alone uses two chapels and one tower + a bunch of other parts).

Hey, offhand, do you have the WD issue number for that?

I believe this is the one no idea on WD no.

**Shadow Walker**

DaveC wrote:
Prometheum5 wrote:
Mallo wrote:

I want to convert the converted wizard tower from an old white dwarf (That alone uses two chapels and one tower + a bunch of other parts).

Hey, offhand, do you have the WD issue number for that?

I believe this is the one no idea on WD no.

Wow, that one would collapse from the breeze

**kodos**

1 Manor, 1 Hill, 1 extra Chapel, 1 Arcane Ruins, plastic card and metal bits
Going without the arcane ruins would be less impressive but also makes it more handy for gaming

And that it would not work with real physics is a big part of the old Warhammer design for any kind of building

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GrosseSax wrote:
I was surprised to see my two local shops, neither of which have a TOW scene, sell out of their allotted Fortified Manor pre-orders within a few hours.

The Manor is a good deal for what you get, even compared to non-GW terrain, this is not a suprise at all
It was more a suprise that it is <100€ as it would have still be ok for 120€ (and what most people expected, same price as the individual sets + extra frame for free)

**Mallo**

DaveC wrote:
Prometheum5 wrote:
Mallo wrote:

I want to convert the converted wizard tower from an old white dwarf (That alone uses two chapels and one tower + a bunch of other parts).

Hey, offhand, do you have the WD issue number for that?

I believe this is the one no idea on WD no.

Thats the one! Its WD 336.

**Cyel**

These terain pieces were pretty cool when released, agreed.

Now, in the age of 3D printing they are obsolete as far as my needs are concerned.

Maybe, just maybe, if they are really cheap, but I doubt it.

**jullevi**

Cyel wrote:
These terain pieces were pretty cool when released, agreed.

Now, in the age of 3D printing they are obsolete as far as my needs are concerned.

Maybe, just maybe, if they are really cheap, but I doubt it.

If you are not planning to purchase them, you are not the target audience. Fortified Manor and Arcane Ruins have been pretty sought after and sold for silly prices since they were discontinued - that is a good enough reason to rerelease them even if cheaper and/or better looking alternatives exist.

I think the prices are reasonable apart from Arcane Ruins which has doubled in price since its last appearance.

**Overread**

I think another reason they are popular is because they aren't ruins. GW does a LOT of ruins. Ruins are cool but sometimes you just want something that isn't a ruin to fight over.

**blockade23**

Overread wrote:
I think another reason they are popular is because they aren't ruins. GW does a LOT of ruins. Ruins are cool but sometimes you just want something that isn't a ruin to fight over.

I absolutely agree with this. GW's other fantasy terrain recently has been lots and lots of ruined walls, some open temple structures that don't really do much to block line of sight, and the industrial stuff is normally gangways and a handful (thinking the fronteris colony style set) of buildings that are still mostly 'go underground'. Picked this the manor to go with my Brettonian army and castle (yes I know it is Empire based, but I'll figure that out) because it's going to be faster to do that then to build something out of scratch. Excited to see them bringing this back. In fact, i wish for more (new) terrain that is both intact and fantastical.

**Cyel**

jullevi wrote:
Cyel wrote:
These terain pieces were pretty cool when released, agreed.

Now, in the age of 3D printing they are obsolete as far as my needs are concerned.

Maybe, just maybe, if they are really cheap, but I doubt it.

. Fortified Manor and Arcane Ruins have been pretty sought after and sold for silly prices since they were discontinued - that is a good enough reason to rerelease them even if cheaper and/or better looking alternatives exist.

That was my point really. As cheaper and/or better looking alternatives exist it is pretty irrational to consider buying these as they are obsolete. Unless you go into those irrational purchasing behaviours like brand loyalty etc.

**frankelee**

You can go watch Devs & Dice on Youtube and learn to make some really awesome Warhammer buildings if that's all you want. Buying these terrain sets is definitely about being able to set out the real thing, the official model. Getting all the best greeblies to detail your buildings by the company that makes Warhammer.

**kodos**

for the Arcane Ruins and the individual sets, yes, for the Manor at 90€, that set is a no-brainer for plastic models

**Just Tony**

Cyel wrote:
jullevi wrote:
Cyel wrote:
These terain pieces were pretty cool when released, agreed.

Now, in the age of 3D printing they are obsolete as far as my needs are concerned.

Maybe, just maybe, if they are really cheap, but I doubt it.

. Fortified Manor and Arcane Ruins have been pretty sought after and sold for silly prices since they were discontinued - that is a good enough reason to rerelease them even if cheaper and/or better looking alternatives exist.

That was my point really. As cheaper and/or better looking alternatives exist it is pretty irrational to consider buying these as they are obsolete. Unless you go into those irrational purchasing behaviours like brand loyalty etc.

How the hell can generic battlefield terrain be obsolete?