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For anybody that's interested Rob and Val from Square Based have"finished" their FAQ / errata for the legacy armies.

The changes are a light touch to make the armies work a bit better (by bringing them closer to how those armies worked in previous editions) and update them in line with any similar changes to the other factions. These are not intended as a balance pass, but they might consider this at a later point. They mentioned that in the future they might also look at creating some renegade unit rules for any units that have been included in previous game editions but which are currently absent.

Https://www.squarebased.com

There's a YouTube video where they run through the changes and Val's rationale for the way he's handled each of the changes. In the video they mention that the old world army builder website will be updated so that people can opt into these rules when making their lists and that a number of TO's are going to use them for their events and also that the Mountain Miniatures YouTube channel will be using these rules in their battle reports.

https://youtu.be/45T3VDeOAtg?si=OFHZdsmPyDzLkrkq

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It also offers a more level playing field.

Let’s do the wibbly time warp, and go back to say, 3rd Edition.

You and I are both nascent Space Marine players, starting from scratch.

Whilst we’ve the same range of models before us? Let’s say my weekly or monthly budget is greater than yours.

And that can make the difference in the army and armaments we collect. Where you might add a squad of Devastators by buying the retail box? I can afford to buy the individual blisters. And so I end up with a Devastator Squad of four Plasma Cannons.

And I can repeat that to buy options for Tactical Squads, where your budget sticks you with Whatever Is In The Retail Boxed Set.

Now? We each buy the same box, and have exactly the same options. Yes I can ultimately buy more than you, but squad for squad, box for box? We’ve exactly the same loadout options.

And Kitbashing isn’t dead. Much of the previous requirement is gone, sure. But there’s sod all stopping you kit bashing a squad or character if that’s your preference. You just don’t gain an in-game advantage of a particularly saucy loadout.

The answer to that is to produce kits with more options or upgrade sets like in HH, not killing options instead. But with GWs kits that build like Puzzles nowadays they made conversions less appealing than in earlier times despite stuff being in plastic now. But try to convert anything with a two handed weapon - or hairs - these days... and then look at the awesome nobz kit.

Not sure that is the solution though, as it’s still introducing a difference in pocket depth.

I do like the Heresy upgrades, and for that game they make sense. But, if your budget only extends to Box of Marines and One Upgrade, where mine extends to Box of Marines and Two Upgrades? I have an advantage in what I can field.

The Black Adder wrote:
For anybody that's interested Rob and Val from Square Based have"finished" their FAQ / errata for the legacy armies.

The changes are a light touch to make the armies work a bit better (by bringing them closer to how those armies worked in previous editions) and update them in line with any similar changes to the other factions. These are not intended as a balance pass, but they might consider this at a later point. They mentioned that in the future they might also look at creating some renegade unit rules for any units that have been included in previous game editions but which are currently absent.

Https://www.squarebased.com

There's a YouTube video where they run through the changes and Val's rationale for the way he's handled each of the changes. In the video they mention that the old world army builder website will be updated so that people can opt into these rules when making their lists and that a number of TO's are going to use them for their events and also that the Mountain Miniatures YouTube channel will be using these rules in their battle reports.

https://youtu.be/45T3VDeOAtg?si=OFHZdsmPyDzLkrkq

I liked their changes, Rob and Val really do have a great love for the game.

They fixed Murderous, so automatic A+ from me.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:


I liked their changes, Rob and Val really do have a great love for the game.

Not to mention they have a great community and lots of connections around them that can point them in the right direction
Great to see them reaching out and take the time and effort to make the survey and now actually trying to patch up the stuff GW dont really support anyway.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not sure that is the solution though, as it’s still introducing a difference in pocket depth.

I do like the Heresy upgrades, and for that game they make sense. But, if your budget only extends to Box of Marines and One Upgrade, where mine extends to Box of Marines and Two Upgrades? I have an advantage in what I can field.

Until pennies to points ratio evens out across all models, whoever has the most money will always have the most options.

Mod edit - removed.

I’ll see one of them at adepticon next week.

Cathay was revealed

I'm guessing that the beast pack hinted at in the wood elf reveal are these models (animal keepers), found on stuffoflegends in the 1988 catalog. Four elves along with (two each of) wild boar, wild cat, bear, and warhound.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1988/cat1988p052-02.htm

So we should expect an ogre money laundering, warpstone enjoyer Zhao Ming?

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Some more details https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-the-old-world/cathay

They did it. Those SOBs actually did it!

I’m glad to be wrong about Cathay. The minis look as good as I was hoping.

Cathay looks very nice. Great to see the well sculpted Asiatic features. I don't like animated statues in general, but the infantry look very nice (even if they are a bit static), and I love dual weapon option kits to feed the bits box. Cavalry look very cool.

I may have to get that Woodelf Battalion. The archers are not a great kit, but the other kits in there are pretty nice.

Wow quite a difference in quality between the WE batallion and the BoC one...

Cathay is a home run for me…100% starting this army.

Cathay looks way cooler, than I thought it would. Cannon -mvp in my opinion. The big ogre type dude - that sort of dudes should have more of a presence, imho. A very very strong reveal!
But still not quite my cup of tea.

My cup of tea is stuck with a cygor in a battalion and no promises of new models other than a shaman. Can we at least get a preyton from the bottom of the barrel, please? The battalion better cost no more than 80 quid, I can at least flog the cygor for 35 and in the end - get the infantry for cheap.
I hope the arcane journal at least provides enticing new options to play, and the quality of alternative armies land on the side of Wolves of the Sea and OnG arcane journal.
The jabberslythe is back, which is cool, I like the sculpt.

The Preyton is there, down in the returning resin bit

Why does this new stuff feel so much like a mantic release.

Cathay had me genuinely stunned. It doesn’t seem long ago we were collectively asking “so, what happens to Cathay and Kislev, eh?”.

Then like a 28mm RKO OUTTA NOWHERE, our back was on the Matt.

And what a gorgeous range. It’s fresh, it’s visually cohesive on its own terms, but it slots pretty neatly into the existing design language of Warhammer, like it’s always been there (I am aware 3rd Ed offered an army list with illustrations, and I don’t think these are terribly far off?)

Will I collect a whole army? Not sure. But I will be buying a Sentinel, maybe two. They look a lot of fun to paint.

Speaking of painting, I hope to see competition entires of the Balloon and Sentinels in due course. Especially the paper lamp, as that’s a huge surface, surely just begging for someone with Mad Skilz to go to town. Perhaps with a Ming Vase inspired noodling.

Vorian wrote:
The Preyton is there, down in the returning resin bit

Oh, you’re right! That’s good
Gorros and friend from mordheim (!!!) are back as well!
BSB - also great.

But the return of razorgor and tuskgor chariots - that stings. Especially after seeing the new goblin chariots in plastic. Still a slim chance of Centigors in plastic, right? Or I missed something on the article again and the old ones are brought back..
Edit: I did indeed miss it

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does this new stuff feel so much like a mantic release.

Busy models with busy paint jobs.

It works for characters, not so much for rank and file.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does this new stuff feel so much like a mantic release.

I fear your judgement is being clouded by either the outpouring of salt from you or your salt intake, one or the other.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does this new stuff feel so much like a mantic release.

Two things...

# 1 What's mantic?

#2 Is it me, or does the Cathay army look like a nightmare to transport?

Surprised that they revealed Cathay so quickly and even more so about the extent of the range. I was half expecting a few core regiments, a Shugengan lord and some rare units just as an initial splash and wasn't even expecting that until very late this year. I was fairly confident we wouldn't see one of the dragon children or more unusual stuff like the Sky Lantern, Longma and Sentinel, a bit like the original Votann release. However it looks like we're all in on releasing pretty much the entire Total War range if these initial previews are anything to go by. Against my better judgement I think I'll be starting up a Cathay army.

Also bodes well for Kislev. For this number of miniatures to have been produced for Cathay, they must have started on them 2/3 years ago. So the weird messaging around Cathay/Kislev being in the game and then going AWOL was probably just bad wording in one of the Warhammer Comm articles. If that's the case then Kislev was probably getting worked on at the same time and we'll likely see them in 2026.

Main question now is when will we see Cathay? Are they going to smash through Welves and Beastmen quickly and we see Cathay in the mid summer or more likely are they an Autumn release? Which makes GW's decision to announce them already a sign of their confidence in the range.

On the Total War stuff?

Do they have Elite Infantry units and that?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Two things...

# 1 What's mantic?

#2 Is it me, or does the Cathay army look like a nightmare to transport?

#1 a company making another Rank&File game (Kings of War)

#2 yes, the more I look in the Laterns, the more I get the feeling that whole thing is something you don't want to touch again once you painted it and put on the shelf

Going with an army like in the preview that uses several of those together with the Sentinel is something I don't want to take further than the living room for gaming

Well I thought We would get this announcement later in the year after Wood Elves and Beastmen dropped.

It all looks lovely though I cant justify ANOTHER army right now.

Also someone find and restrain Imrik, cuz that Yao Ming is looking fiiine.

Wow, Cathay has blown me away. The big flying lantern and boss dragon/lady are genuinely jaw-dropping

I don't have the time or money to start another army right now, I really don't need to be tempted like this

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does this new stuff feel so much like a mantic release.

Because you rolled a natural one on a perception test?