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**nathan2004**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qlwqfahu/old-world-almanack-what-lurks-within-the-wildwood/

Interesting bit of lore on the Beastmen. I had no idea they were the main bad guys in WF roleplay.

**Londinium**

Cathay box is in someone's hands already:

Might well be with us sooner than we expected.

**lord_blackfang**

They're counting each cannon as 5 miniatures huh

**Overread**

Technically it is since each model is on its own base

**lord_blackfang**

The best kind of correct

**Prometheum5**

It's five bases, that's consistent. Models, not units.

**Shakalooloo**

nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qlwqfahu/old-world-almanack-what-lurks-within-the-wildwood/

Interesting bit of lore on the Beastmen. I had no idea they were the main bad guys in WF roleplay.

My takeaway from this article is that GW is closing the door on both the interesting concepts of god-devoted beastmen, and also any hint that beastmen have forms other than caprigor. Boo. The Children of Chaos remain very organised and un-Chaotic in appearance.

**Mr Morden**

nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qlwqfahu/old-world-almanack-what-lurks-within-the-wildwood/

Interesting bit of lore on the Beastmen. I had no idea they were the main bad guys in WF roleplay.

Well they are often who adventurers fight in the woods as opposed to Cultists and Skaven in the cities.

**Overread**

Shakalooloo wrote:
nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qlwqfahu/old-world-almanack-what-lurks-within-the-wildwood/

Interesting bit of lore on the Beastmen. I had no idea they were the main bad guys in WF roleplay.

My takeaway from this article is that GW is closing the door on both the interesting concepts of god-devoted beastmen, and also any hint that beastmen have forms other than caprigor. Boo. The Children of Chaos remain very organised and un-Chaotic in appearance.

I might be miss remembering/mixing up AoS and Old World - but don't the core of beastmen worship Chaos not the four Chaos Gods. Ergo they come from a time before those 4 became the defacto icons for Chaos - back when there were many more gods and when Chaos was just that bit more "wild". So they worship true chaos rather than the manifestations of the four.

**Mr_Rose**

Yep. It’s even been in the lore for a while that true beastmen sneer at the god-aligned ones for being sellouts. So not only are beastmen hideous mutant abominations, they’re also chaos-grognards, yelling at the proverbial cloud of hipster-beastmen.

**KidCthulhu**

I always thought it had to do with Beastmen originally being Broo without the Runequest IP, so they predated the Big 4 as a concept.

**Sacredroach**

KidCthulhu wrote:
I always thought it had to do with Beastmen originally being Broo without the Runequest IP, so they predated the Big 4 as a concept.

As did I. I have a bunch of old Citadel Broo and Beast Men, my favorites being a unicorn-headed beastman and a snakeman. I need to find them.

Also, I like that Cathay box, but it is missing the "Wow" miniatures for me. If it had a small airship or a decent dragon or something...

**SnotlingPimpWagon**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Yep. It’s even been in the lore for a while that true beastmen sneer at the god-aligned ones for being sellouts. So not only are beastmen hideous mutant abominations, they’re also chaos-grognards, yelling at the proverbial cloud of hipster-beastmen.

Haha, I didn’t know that little tidbit, makes me love em even more!
“Monotheism is a fad, a sign of teenage maximalism and primitive tribalism, you dumb calves!”

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Londinium wrote:
Cathay box is in someone's hands already:

Might well be with us sooner than we expected.

Not sure if I’m in for any models (probably not, to be honest), but definitely in for their Army Book.

Feed. Me. Lore.

Feed. Me. Lore.

**Fayric**

Sacredroach wrote:
KidCthulhu wrote:
I always thought it had to do with Beastmen originally being Broo without the Runequest IP, so they predated the Big 4 as a concept.

As did I. I have a bunch of old Citadel Broo and Beast Men, my favorites being a unicorn-headed beastman and a snakeman. I need to find them.

Also, I like that Cathay box, but it is missing the "Wow" miniatures for me. If it had a small airship or a decent dragon or something...

Well, it follows the format of the other battalions, so if it were a bigger/more interresting box it would spook the fan base as a portent of a dreaded "new edition".

**Shakalooloo**

Overread wrote:
I might be miss remembering/mixing up AoS and Old World - but don't the core of beastmen worship Chaos not the four Chaos Gods. Ergo they come from a time before those 4 became the defacto icons for Chaos - back when there were many more gods and when Chaos was just that bit more "wild". So they worship true chaos rather than the manifestations of the four.

Back in the old Realm of Chaos books, Beastmen champions took their patron mark just like everyone else, and their warbands were glorious riots of Chaotic colour.

Now everything's just brown. :(

The Lost and the Damned, page 138 wrote:Beastmen revere the four Great Chaos Powers Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch, as well as many of the lesser Powers which slumber in the Realm of Chaos. A Beastman Champion will often not dedicate himself to a specific Power, but to the unfettered glory of Chaos as a whole.

Chaos Powers look upon Beastmen with special favour, and rewards are granted to successful Champions even though they may serve no specific Chaos Power. Champions who do follow Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch often benefit from the relationship more readily than human or other Champions, because they are closer to the true nature of Chaos.

A warband which follows one of the Chaos Powers will naturally acquire mutations and powers appropriate to that Power. As the Champion and his warband are granted fresh rewards by the Champion's Patron, they gradually mutate into the form of Beastmen of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch. When a warband breaks up following the death of its Champion, these Beastmen join up with other Champions of that Power. In this way there are always Beastmen of the Great Powers available to join the warband of an up and coming Champion.

Now that the Great Horned Rat is a Chaos god, it would interesting to see what form is taken by Beastmen devoted to it, or to Hashut!

**Mr_Rose**

Yeah, the TOW Battalions are just what they should be; a bunch of core (not Core) units to build an army around. I've not bought any so far because, frankly, I already have the core troops I need form days of yore. This one I'm getting though.

**nels1031**

From todays article on Beastmen: While its cool to see GW mentioning making your own terrain, there's a perfectly fine, soon defunct in AoS Beasts of Chaos herdstone plastic kit at their disposal. Mayhaps it has too many AoS bits in the trophy/skull piles(mainly SCE armor pieces).

Finally, Herdstones return in the form of special terrain features that make casting spells even easier for Beastmen Wizards whilst making the Beastmen themselves more ferocious and sapping the courage of their enemies. These represent a fun modelling and terrain making project for hobbyists. Such terrain features are something that, to my mind, have always been a major feature of the battlefields of the Old World.

Gadge: They’re a fairly easy modelling project. Get some foamcore, or even a big rock, put it on a base with some grass tufts and flock, and cover it with Citadel skulls and Blood for the Blood God!

**chaos0xomega**

Yeah, surprised by that. Thought for sure the herdstone would go to TOW

**nathan2004**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Overread wrote:
I might be miss remembering/mixing up AoS and Old World - but don't the core of beastmen worship Chaos not the four Chaos Gods. Ergo they come from a time before those 4 became the defacto icons for Chaos - back when there were many more gods and when Chaos was just that bit more "wild". So they worship true chaos rather than the manifestations of the four.

Back in the old Realm of Chaos books, Beastmen champions took their patron mark just like everyone else, and their warbands were glorious riots of Chaotic colour.

Now everything's just brown. :(

The Lost and the Damned, page 138 wrote:Beastmen revere the four Great Chaos Powers Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch, as well as many of the lesser Powers which slumber in the Realm of Chaos. A Beastman Champion will often not dedicate himself to a specific Power, but to the unfettered glory of Chaos as a whole.

Chaos Powers look upon Beastmen with special favour, and rewards are granted to successful Champions even though they may serve no specific Chaos Power. Champions who do follow Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch often benefit from the relationship more readily than human or other Champions, because they are closer to the true nature of Chaos.

A warband which follows one of the Chaos Powers will naturally acquire mutations and powers appropriate to that Power. As the Champion and his warband are granted fresh rewards by the Champion's Patron, they gradually mutate into the form of Beastmen of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch. When a warband breaks up following the death of its Champion, these Beastmen join up with other Champions of that Power. In this way there are always Beastmen of the Great Powers available to join the warband of an up and coming Champion.

Now that the Great Horned Rat is a Chaos god, it would interesting to see what form is taken by Beastmen devoted to it, or to Hashut!

Wait wait wait are there actual Beastmen in the lore dedicated to worshipping Hashut? Or did you just make that up?

Either way glory to Hashut!

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

If there were Beastmen dedicated to The Great Horned Rat, one might think they’d be almost…..

Rat like…….

**ccs**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If there were Beastmen dedicated to The Great Horned Rat, one might think they’d be almost…..

Rat like…….

You know, I think there's a niche there for a whole bunch of stuff....

**Fayric**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If there were Beastmen dedicated to The Great Horned Rat, one might think they’d be almost…..

Rat like…….

Would explain the ridicolous reports of really big and even semi intelligent rats. I know for a fact there is no such thing as skaven.

**Sotahullu**

Well beastmen and mutants come in different forms so there being some creature with rat like features is more then likely.

But indeed claims of there being some semi-intelligent race of productive ratmen beneath cities is just ridiculous.

**BorderCountess**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Now that the Great Horned Rat is a Chaos god...

Not in the Old World. Prior to the Age of Sigmar, the Great Horned Rat was just a wanna-be.

**chaos0xomega**

Time flows differently in the immaterium, tbe Great Horned Rat was always a chaos god in the same way that the existence of Slaanesh pre-dates their own birth

**Platuan4th**

BorderCountess wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Now that the Great Horned Rat is a Chaos god...

Not in the Old World. Prior to the Age of Sigmar, the Great Horned Rat was just a wanna-be.

The Horned Rat was always a Chaos god(and would even turn Grey Seers into Spawn), just not part of the Big 4.

**Ancestral Hamster**

Sacredroach wrote:

As did I. I have a bunch of old Citadel Broo and Beast Men, my favorites being a unicorn-headed beastman and a snakeman. I need to find them.

I had that set too. Thought they were cool, but I eventually traded them for store credit since I owned them for two decades and had not done anything with them. Runequest Broo are superior to these GW knockoffs, being properly chaotic and diverse in form.

Cathay has some fine models, but I'm not in the market for YET another army. Have so many already, and only a few painted.

**Snord**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Londinium wrote:
Cathay box is in someone's hands already:

Might well be with us sooner than we expected.

Not sure if I’m in for any models (probably not, to be honest), but definitely in for their Army Book.

Feed. Me. Lore.

Feed. Me. Lore.

I don't play WtOW, and I won't be playing it, but I really like the Cathay models. I wonder if I could somehow work them into HH. Militia, perhaps?

**nathan2004**

^You should give it the old college try. IMO Old World and HH are two of the best things GW has going for it especially in terms of rules.