[Trench Crusade] New skirmish game being designed by Tuomas Pirinen (KS closed US$3.3 million)

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**Prometheum5**

pgmason wrote:
Prometheum5 wrote:

all of the artwork for this project looks like AI generated 'grim dark religious soldier' prompts.

I think that's a function of the fact that Mike Franchina has been doing these paintings since 2016, and a lot of image generating AI tools scrape sites like Artstation and Deviantart for their training data. None of it is AI generated, but AI is copying this style.

OK, that's a very funny point to make that makes a lot of sense to me. Unfortunate things have hashed out that way now, and I suspect a lot of future art projects are going to suffer from comparisons to AI slop.

**Shakalooloo**

For a little artistic variety, this update has the Paul Bonner piece from the core book.

**NAVARRO**

Shakalooloo wrote:
For a little artistic variety, this update has the Paul Bonner piece from the core book.

Actually thats the only thing that captures my interest in this project. Lovely paint job.

**His Master's Voice**

Backerkit is out and I'm paying $30 bucks extra for a $45 book.

I guess I need to be reminded from time to time why I don't bother with Kickstarters any more.

**insaniak**

Is that $30 international shipping?

For a 200+ page hardcover, that sounds about right.

**His Master's Voice**

Shipping + VAT.

**kodos**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Backerkit is out and I'm paying $30 bucks extra for a $45 book.

I guess I need to be reminded from time to time why I don't bother with Kickstarters any more.

they explicitly wrote that the book will ship from different location and therefore has its own shipping cost

**Thargrim**

For me shipping appears to be 9$, the state tax though is eye watering. I had originally planned to go all in for 3 warbands but i'm starting to think I should dial it down to just two.

**beast_gts**

Extra $28.80 ($16.50 Shipping & $12.30 VAT) for me to the UK.

**Arbitrator**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Backerkit is out and I'm paying $30 bucks extra for a $45 book.

I guess I need to be reminded from time to time why I don't bother with Kickstarters any more.

It's the same reason I stopped backing Kickstarters for RPGs. By the time you add shipping and VAT on you could probably get it cheaper at retail anyway.

**Alpharius**

Thargrim wrote:
For me shipping appears to be 9$, the state tax though is eye watering. I had originally planned to go all in for 3 warbands but i'm starting to think I should dial it down to just two.

Yeah, I think this is the first time I've seen a "State Tax" charged in a Backerkit pledge manager?

Was a bit of a surprise - and an unwelcome one at that!

**beast_gts**

Update #28: wrote:Pledge Manager FAQ and Book VAT for UK/EU

Greetings Crusaders,

A quick update today concerning the Backerkit.

VAT rates on books in the UK and EU.

We have been looking into this and can confirm that you will be paying less. Please give us some time to work out the specifics and put together an update addressing this. If you have already confirmed your pledge, rest assured that you have not been charged yet and the new total will be calculated automatically once we’ve made changes to the PM.

Add-ons not appearing in my cart

Any add-ons you added to your pledge during the KS campaign have not been added to your cart automatically. You need to add them manually. The credits for them have been added to your account of course. Please note that as the system calculates shipping and taxes it may, at first glance, look like you have less credits than you originally pledged. This is not the case and there is a detailed rundown of all the costs on the confirmation page.

Paypal issues

As we mentioned in the PM guide, our Paypal won’t be active until later today or tomorrow. Please check back in then if you want to pay with Paypal.

Shipping costs are higher than on the KS page.

There has been a small price rise which we covered in a previous update. Our suppliers did not include the price increase that will occur at the beginning of next year in the original quotes. Our apologies for this.

Also, please notd that shipping on the books is not a flat rate. If you order more than one it will cost extra but there are real savings to be had by group ordering Books.

Apple pay Emails

If you used apple pay to back the campaign there may be an issue with your email address which will prevent you from receiving the PM invite. You should have received an email about this. If you still need assistance afterwards, you can PM us here on Kickstarter.

I didn’t receive my invitation

If your invitation doesn’t look like it arrived, please check your spam folders as well as “promotional” tabs on email clients like Gmail.

All invitations will be sent to the email address linked to your Kickstarter account, so please check your account here on Kickstarter if you’re unsure.

You can also try this link to have your invitation resent to you.

**Monkeysloth**

Alpharius wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
For me shipping appears to be 9$, the state tax though is eye watering. I had originally planned to go all in for 3 warbands but i'm starting to think I should dial it down to just two.

Yeah, I think this is the first time I've seen a "State Tax" charged in a Backerkit pledge manager?

Was a bit of a surprise - and an unwelcome one at that!

My state has had that for several years now (one of the first to get Amazon to collect sales tax) and similar laws are pretty much everywhere now.

**lord_blackfang**

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade/posts/4267993

++ TC RULEBOOK VAT TO 0% - OR THE TC CHRISTMAS TRUCE ++

We want to give as many people as possible the opportunity to acquire the Trench Crusade Rulebook that we have worked so hard to make something we are proud of. The community has shown us such tremendous support to our fledgling game that we decided the only correct path forward is to return the same kind of generosity and goodwill we have received from you.

Thus, we will be picking up the entire VAT tab on ALL of the Trench Crusade rulebooks for this Campaign. This extends to all regions no matter what your local taxation system is called (Sales tax for the USA, GST for Australia, etc). UK backers, we’re going to subsidize a bit more of the shipping on the books for you due your VAT for books being 0%.

Happy holidays, or Felicem Nativitatem Dominias they would say in New Antioch!

Tuomas with Mike, James & Jamie

Very nice

**Tabletop_Magpie**

I'm stuck at what factions to pick up as I haven't had time to have a proper research session but I will definitely order the book, and the reduced shipping is indeed a great touch by the team.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I could probably field just about every single thing in the book based on STL files alone, nevermind all my actual painted or printed models.

Yet I'm in the same boat of trying to figure out what to get.

Will probably end up with at least the heretic and pilgrim modular sets to serve as a start for whatever factions I want to try. Same with the accessory sets. The more parts to tinker with, the better.

Only faction I know I'm grabbing everything right out the gate for is the Court. They have some fun demon models that can get plenty of use elsewhere.

**JWBS**

Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
I'm stuck at what factions to pick up as I haven't had time to have a proper research session but I will definitely order the book, and the reduced shipping is indeed a great touch by the team.

Everyone liable for tax on the book got a decent price cut, except the people that weren't liable for tax, they just got a couple of bucks off the postage instead. I'd call that scant remittal.

**Gallahad**

JWBS wrote:
Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
I'm stuck at what factions to pick up as I haven't had time to have a proper research session but I will definitely order the book, and the reduced shipping is indeed a great touch by the team.

Everyone liable for tax on the book got a decent price cut, except the people that weren't liable for tax, they just got a couple of bucks off the postage instead. I'd call that scant remittal.

Some people just can't be pleased.

**Pacific**

Shakalooloo wrote:
For a little artistic variety, this update has the Paul Bonner piece from the core book.

Think it is worth a show here.. this one by Paul Bonner is just an absolute stonker. Made me want to support the game just by itself

**JWBS**

Gallahad wrote:
JWBS wrote:
Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
I'm stuck at what factions to pick up as I haven't had time to have a proper research session but I will definitely order the book, and the reduced shipping is indeed a great touch by the team.

Everyone liable for tax on the book got a decent price cut, except the people that weren't liable for tax, they just got a couple of bucks off the postage instead. I'd call that scant remittal.

Some people just can't be pleased.

Many are servile by nature.

**warboss**

BrookM wrote:

Thanks! That's exactly the topic I came to check out the thread for.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Pacific wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
For a little artistic variety, this update has the Paul Bonner piece from the core book.

Think it is worth a show here.. this one by Paul Bonner is just an absolute stonker. Made me want to support the game just by itself

Are the shrine golem things actually scaled that big in game? I didn't think they would be that huge.
Wretches (I think that's what those are) are human sized, aren't they?

**JimmyWolf87**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Pacific wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
For a little artistic variety, this update has the Paul Bonner piece from the core book.

Think it is worth a show here.. this one by Paul Bonner is just an absolute stonker. Made me want to support the game just by itself

Spoiler:

Are the shrine golem things actually scaled that big in game? I didn't think they would be that huge.
Wretches (I think that's what those are) are human sized, aren't they?

Bit of artistic licence going on there I reckon. Hard to tell just from the renders shown but the side by side on the KS page has the adjacent Trench Pilgrims (sans giant hats) coming up to somewhere between knee and thigh height on the Shrine Anchorite.

**Manu Miniatures**

The art look great (I am fan of P.Bonner work), but scale went out of the window on the illustration.

Human sized minis are around 35mm high + 5mm for pointy helmets,
Shrine Anchorite have 99,6mm of hight.
Info from KS site.

**Shakalooloo**

The only point of scale reference on the anchorite is the dead sheep, which certainly makes it look a lot smaller as a model than that art. Of course, it could always be a case of being de-biggened for the tabletop for better gameplay.

**Theophony**

Shakalooloo wrote:
The only point of scale reference on the anchorite is the dead sheep, which certainly makes it look a lot smaller as a model than that art. Of course, it could always be a case of being de-biggened for the tabletop for better gameplay.

There is also a person broken on the wheel.

**skrulnik**

I got my 3d files today, and a refund from paypal for the tax changes , since they happened after i paid for my pledge.

I got a couple warbands, and will have to wait for my friend to print them for me.
But I am excited to get started

**JamesY**

Got all the stls today as well. Going to wait until after Christmas to start printing, but the printer is going to be busy for a good few weeks. The sculpts really do look great.

**zend**

Shakalooloo wrote:
The only point of scale reference on the anchorite is the dead sheep, which certainly makes it look a lot smaller as a model than that art. Of course, it could always be a case of being de-biggened for the tabletop for better gameplay.

Shrines are 12 feet tall according to their fluff in the rulebook so the art is wildly oversized, but still awesome.

**Kid_Kyoto**

I'd imagine they can come in many sizes