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2023/02/09 21:25:00
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
How have Genestealers gotten so many sculpts and yet they look like garbo with thick mold lines and flakes of flash, AND they're still on undersized bases...?
But anyway. We likely wont see if there's any confirmation of these rumors until we get potato cam pics or teasers from Adepticon.
I find it convenient that this big chunk of rumors drops at the same day as a price increase tho.
2023/02/09 21:50:46
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
drbored wrote: How have Genestealers gotten so many sculpts and yet they look like garbo with thick mold lines and flakes of flash, AND they're still on undersized bases...?
But anyway. We likely wont see if there's any confirmation of these rumors until we get potato cam pics or teasers from Adepticon.
I find it convenient that this big chunk of rumors drops at the same day as a price increase tho.
I'd add that rumours say no teases for 10th at Adepticon, we should be expecting a Lion teaser.
2023/02/09 22:14:51
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
*sigh*
I just can't get on board with the thought of any Primaris kits after the last disaster. I really hope it was a one off and they re-found their restraint.
2023/02/10 00:13:25
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
The Instigators are just generics of the Imperial Fists character it sounds.
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2023/02/10 02:13:55
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
lost_lilliputian wrote: After the reaction to those recently previewed ugly missile launcher primaris, lots of people said why couldn't they be shoulder mounted instead.
So I found this part interesting in the new starter set rumours:
'- 3 Primaris Instigators (Primaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)'
Part of it is confusion. Way back at the beginning of 8th, Dark Imperium was accompanied by a novel, obviously also titled 'Dark Imperium.' Amidst the random plodge of an opening sequence in some random city on a random world, there were primaris marines with shoulder mounted missile launchers that... never happened in model form. So people have been expecting that for awhile, so the nerf launchers came as an extra special bad surprise, because GW had created the expectation of something different.
As an aside, Pariah nexus also had a novel with models that never happened, (skorpekh necrons with guns, iirc; and drop pods for the primaris bikers), apparently the fiction team and the model team don't communicate well. Don't know if the writing team got told about model ideas that were later scrapped or what, but I fully expect a forthcoming novel with tyranid creatures that don't exist.
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2023/02/10 04:24:40
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
lost_lilliputian wrote: After the reaction to those recently previewed ugly missile launcher primaris, lots of people said why couldn't they be shoulder mounted instead.
So I found this part interesting in the new starter set rumours:
'- 3 Primaris Instigators (Primaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)'
Part of it is confusion. Way back at the beginning of 8th, Dark Imperium was accompanied by a novel, obviously also titled 'Dark Imperium.' Amidst the random plodge of an opening sequence in some random city on a random world, there were primaris marines with shoulder mounted missile launchers that... never happened in model form. So people have been expecting that for awhile, so the nerf launchers came as an extra special bad surprise, because GW had created the expectation of something different.
As an aside, Pariah nexus also had a novel with models that never happened, (skorpekh necrons with guns, iirc; and drop pods for the primaris bikers), apparently the fiction team and the model team don't communicate well. Don't know if the writing team got told about model ideas that were later scrapped or what, but I fully expect a forthcoming novel with tyranid creatures that don't exist.
It's not limited to models. iirc there were units described in the Ultramarines and other supplements that never became things.
2023/02/10 05:47:08
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
lost_lilliputian wrote: After the reaction to those recently previewed ugly missile launcher primaris, lots of people said why couldn't they be shoulder mounted instead.
So I found this part interesting in the new starter set rumours:
'- 3 Primaris Instigators (Primaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)'
Part of it is confusion. Way back at the beginning of 8th, Dark Imperium was accompanied by a novel, obviously also titled 'Dark Imperium.' Amidst the random plodge of an opening sequence in some random city on a random world, there were primaris marines with shoulder mounted missile launchers that... never happened in model form. So people have been expecting that for awhile, so the nerf launchers came as an extra special bad surprise, because GW had created the expectation of something different.
As an aside, Pariah nexus also had a novel with models that never happened, (skorpekh necrons with guns, iirc; and drop pods for the primaris bikers), apparently the fiction team and the model team don't communicate well. Don't know if the writing team got told about model ideas that were later scrapped or what, but I fully expect a forthcoming novel with tyranid creatures that don't exist.
Oh I see, ok well yes I get the extra salt now why people were even more down on the ugly previews, especially if they thought shoulder mounted ones were coming.
If these new rumours are true then at least shoulder mounted grav cannons should look better than the hip missle cables are us primaris.
Unfortunately though... The price hike will hit long before the new starter sets are out so hoping at least the starter sets will be good value.
2023/02/10 07:18:12
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
*sigh*
I just can't get on board with the thought of any Primaris kits after the last disaster. I really hope it was a one off and they re-found their restraint.
There was a comment on reddit somewhere from Peachy who claimed the desolators were painted in 2021 and had been sat around waiting to be done/released for a couple of years at that point. Kinda feels like they're the last of the "range reboot" bad idea pile.
2023/02/10 07:50:41
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
*sigh*
I just can't get on board with the thought of any Primaris kits after the last disaster. I really hope it was a one off and they re-found their restraint.
I totally agree. I used to be a fan of Primaris when they initially launched, but I’m liking them less and less. These day my favourite marines are HH beakies. I’d rather have more infantry kits for them than any number of new Primaris kits.
2023/02/10 08:36:35
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
If they're really going to be adding the equivalents of assault marines, terminators, scouts, and stormravens to the absurdly bloated codex, it might be time to move Firstborn out of it and into Legends where they belong. Writing so many versions of "They're like [N], but *better*!" has to be taking a toll on the poor apes writing the rules, too.
And don't get me wrong, I don't hate all the Primaris, even though I still don't own any. I really like Aggressors and Inceptors, Eliminators and Eradicators, since they didn't feel so obviously like attempts to redo existing units in a new style. Still despise the look of the tanks, though.
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The supply does not get to make the demands.
2023/02/10 09:18:40
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
*sigh*
I just can't get on board with the thought of any Primaris kits after the last disaster. I really hope it was a one off and they re-found their restraint.
I totally agree. I used to be a fan of Primaris when they initially launched, but I’m liking them less and less. These day my favourite marines are HH beakies. I’d rather have more infantry kits for them than any number of new Primaris kits.
I thought when Primaris Interecessors came out, they looked quite nice, aside from their helmet which felt a bit meh. However, seeing how the Primaris range has evolved has been cringe for me, first they tried tacking on "gothic bling" in the Bladeguard vets which theoretically sounds fine, but resulted in flanderisque conflicted mess.. Then we got the Primariokart (serious WTF) and the GI Joe "cannon with seat".. Its like someone designing Primaris has a hardon for Action figues and He-Man aesthetics.. Now these missile launchers with cables guys are turning things up to 11.. I have zero hope for the new 10th ed Primaris to be honest.
All in all, I feel like GW has "lost its way" when it comes to Space Marines.. They should just stick to re-releasing the classic Firstborn era designs (MKI - MKVIII) with 2023 proportions if they cannot design anything new without losing the essence of Space Marine armour design. Primaris feels like knockoffs of GW Marines, instead of being the real deal.
If I was tasked to steer Primaris model development further, I'd tell the sculptors to lean more into the things you see in Gravis units like Eradicators, Phobos units, Suppressors and Eliminators. And stop watching GI Joe and He-Man FFS!
YMMV as usual
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
2023/02/10 09:32:47
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
All in all, I feel like GW has "lost its way" when it comes to Space Marines.. They should just stick to re-releasing the classic Firstborn era designs (MKI - MKVIII) with 2023 proportions if they cannot design anything new without losing the essence of Space Marine armour design. Primaris feels like knockoffs of GW Marines, instead of being the real deal.
If I was tasked to steer Primaris model development further, I'd tell the sculptors to lean more into the things you see in Gravis units like Eradicators, Phobos units, Suppressors and Eliminators. And stop watching GI Joe and He-Man FFS!
YMMV as usual
Imho 'knockoff' is exactly like they feel. It's like back when pokemon were all the rage, and you could stroll over any flea market and see dozens of cheaply-made T-Shirts or beach towels with weird quasi-pokemon in off colours, mixes of two existing pokemon designs and so on. Only a handful of Primaris sculpts feel 'authentic' and organic to the setting, most just look like they were made in some backwater sweatshop by people unfamiliar to the setting.
2023/02/10 10:08:16
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
GW needs to learn when less is more. There are plenty of ways that this concept, heavily armed missile armed Primaris marines could work.
Using real world weapons as a basis we could easily develop the concept of the Marine based shoulder launched Missile launcher, style it after the M202 Flash, with either 2 or 4 cells depending on the missile option. Have their power pack carry several spare missiles attached to it. Remove the extra cables and the belt feed. Separate the Rocket pod into a separate optional weapon system if you want to add rocket marines. Then give them a fairly large brace of rockets to resupply their launchers.
If you want to go further into this tacticool option for them, slap on pouches for ammunition for their guns, since the majority of Marines seem to carry enough shots for maybe 30 seconds of combat and then they'd need to resupply. (Big reason for why I don't mind modeling ammunition pouches onto their belts and attaching spare magazines to them. You don't need to slap on 3 different weapon systems to make a new model, but you can slap on some additional sensors, give them options between weapons and exploit the larger scale of these marines by making them look like they have enough ammunition to engage in the battle they're currently taking part in.
LESS IS MORE.
2023/02/10 10:26:41
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
*sigh*
I just can't get on board with the thought of any Primaris kits after the last disaster. I really hope it was a one off and they re-found their restraint.
I totally agree. I used to be a fan of Primaris when they initially launched, but I’m liking them less and less. These day my favourite marines are HH beakies. I’d rather have more infantry kits for them than any number of new Primaris kits.
I thought when Primaris Interecessors came out, they looked quite nice, aside from their helmet which felt a bit meh. However, seeing how the Primaris range has evolved has been cringe for me, first they tried tacking on "gothic bling" in the Bladeguard vets which theoretically sounds fine, but resulted in flanderisque conflicted mess.. Then we got the Primariokart (serious WTF) and the GI Joe "cannon with seat".. Its like someone designing Primaris has a hardon for Action figues and He-Man aesthetics.. Now these missile launchers with cables guys are turning things up to 11.. I have zero hope for the new 10th ed Primaris to be honest.
All in all, I feel like GW has "lost its way" when it comes to Space Marines.. They should just stick to re-releasing the classic Firstborn era designs (MKI - MKVIII) with 2023 proportions if they cannot design anything new without losing the essence of Space Marine armour design. Primaris feels like knockoffs of GW Marines, instead of being the real deal.
If I was tasked to steer Primaris model development further, I'd tell the sculptors to lean more into the things you see in Gravis units like Eradicators, Phobos units, Suppressors and Eliminators. And stop watching GI Joe and He-Man FFS!
YMMV as usual
So remove bling and replace it with bling.
Bling for marines isn't new. It's decades old thing.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2023/02/10 10:57:29
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
panzerfront14 wrote: If you want to go further into this tacticool option for them, slap on pouches for ammunition for their guns, since the majority of Marines seem to carry enough shots for maybe 30 seconds of combat and then they'd need to resupply. (Big reason for why I don't mind modeling ammunition pouches onto their belts and attaching spare magazines to them. You don't need to slap on 3 different weapon systems to make a new model, but you can slap on some additional sensors, give them options between weapons and exploit the larger scale of these marines by making them look like they have enough ammunition to engage in the battle they're currently taking part in.
LESS IS MORE.
The main thing the designers need to learn is that "tacticool" is never actually cool...
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2023/02/10 11:00:13
Subject: 10th edition rumours by Valrak and others - includes Starter Box, Marines and Tyranid Rumours
They're intercessors holding a gun, they're about as basic as a space marine can be. The model taken as a whole isn't really any different from the hellblasters. Even the weapons themselves are just an update on the old Space Crusade missile launcher. These aren't great but people are massively exaggerating their flaws.
2023/02/10 11:14:02
Subject: 10th edition rumours by Valrak and others - includes Starter Box, Marines and Tyranid Rumours
JSG wrote: They're intercessors holding a gun, they're about as basic as a space marine can be. The model taken as a whole isn't really any different from the hellblasters. Even the weapons themselves are just an update on the old Space Crusade missile launcher. These aren't great but people are massively exaggerating their flaws.
I imagine the missile boyos would have been received much better if they had simply been Intercessors with high definition versions of the Space Crusade missile launcher.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2023/02/10 11:37:21
Subject: 10th edition rumours by Valrak and others - includes Starter Box, Marines and Tyranid Rumours
No doubt. It was the confusing combination of two different kinds of missile launch mechanisms into the same weapon, as well as the overall proportions, that was the main sticking point for criticism, from what I've seen.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2023/02/10 16:14:33
Subject: 10th edition rumours by Valrak and others - includes Starter Box, Marines and Tyranid Rumours
Dai wrote: Funny looking space marines are almost tradition now. Was it centurions who started it?
Funny looking Space Marines have existed since Rogue Trader.
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2023/02/10 16:28:40
Subject: 10th edition rumours by Valrak and others - includes Starter Box, Marines and Tyranid Rumours
JSG wrote: They're intercessors holding a gun, they're about as basic as a space marine can be. The model taken as a whole isn't really any different from the hellblasters. Even the weapons themselves are just an update on the old Space Crusade missile launcher. These aren't great but people are massively exaggerating their flaws.
The core flaw with the Desolation Squad is I have to look way to closely at the weapon to figure out what the it is supposed to be. In fact, I was just looking at them and I still don't get what they are. Belt-fed rapid-fire mini-missile launchers with three different options of bigger missile launchers attached to them?
2023/02/11 00:02:42
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
JSG wrote: They're intercessors holding a gun, they're about as basic as a space marine can be. The model taken as a whole isn't really any different from the hellblasters. Even the weapons themselves are just an update on the old Space Crusade missile launcher. These aren't great but people are massively exaggerating their flaws.
The core flaw with the Desolation Squad is I have to look way to closely at the weapon to figure out what the it is supposed to be. In fact, I was just looking at them and I still don't get what they are. Belt-fed rapid-fire mini-missile launchers with three different options of bigger missile launchers attached to them?
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2023/02/12 12:14:26
Subject: 10th edition rumours by Valrak and others - includes Starter Box, Marines and Tyranid Rumours
Primaris have definitely grown on me but they lack the charm and appeal of the old stuff. In a way it's like they've become completely soulless with their aesthetic
it is supposed to be. In fact, I was just looking at them and I still don't get what they are. Belt-fed rapid-fire mini-missile launchers with three different options of bigger missile launchers attached to them? 
