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RoyRobHobGob wrote:
- 10th is a complete reset, some extreme changes, but still D6 based

Well now I'm interested.

- still ‘all your units in your turn then all your opponent’s units in his turn’

And less interested.

RoyRobHobGob wrote:If your initiative is high enough you can interrupt the enmy turn in certain situations.

Aaand interested again. Sounds like some kind of resource management?

But it's nice to dream. Let's see what really happens.

RedSarge wrote:Lurker here. So we get two years out of each Edition with modern GW? Then, buy the rulebook, codices and supplements all over again?

I'm seeing stacks of hardback books on the used market for like $5...

Well, for once GW's planned obsolescence is working in my favour. The fluff in old codexes comes with considerably less plastic cement and acrylic paint clogging up all the details.

There's so many varying sets of rumours and leaks atm, often in conflict with each other, but I think we just need something to drop to give us a nod one way or the other at this stage. A potato cam photo, or a document with a title on or something.

The recurring themes though seem to be:
- Terrain becomes the 3rd player again
- A split of comp and casual rules
- Some form of simplification of the stats/dice rolling
- New web based element

Dudeface wrote:
There's so many varying sets of rumours and leaks atm, often in conflict with each other, but I think we just need something to drop to give us a nod one way or the other at this stage. A potato cam photo, or a document with a title on or something.

The recurring themes though seem to be:
- Terrain becomes the 3rd player again
- A split of comp and casual rules
- Some form of simplification of the stats/dice rolling
- New web based element

Eh, from compiling them they do not seem that complicated. It looks like the big split is Valrak with his No-reset rumour which is corroborated by some dudes with good reputation on B&C, and then there's the 4chan rumours and two suspiciously large batches of rumours that appeared out of nowhere, cover huge swathes of different things in excruciating detail, and look like they recirculating stuff like the name of the box between them. And also get called out as fake by e.g. Algrim Whitefang.

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy: i'd stick with Valrak on this one at least for now, what he said so for fits in GW's general modus operandi, and the scope of rumours and how far away they are matches the overall quality and specificity of what he has time and time again proven to actually have from solid sources. In contrast, no-one can vouch for any of the 4chan or mystery pastebin stuff, and a newly-registered user that brings material could usually be a troll. It might of course all play out differently, but for now sticking with the people with somewhat of a track record is probably the best approach

Eh right now there might be one or two legit leaks and everything else is noise made up bits of leaks; bits of wishlists; people going for that buzz of being a releaser of information and attention etc...


GW will market it formally when they are ready, considering its a mid-year release and we are only half way through the 2nd month of the year its not really the time. I wouldn't expect anything until the end of March or April at the earliest.
GW marketing typically thinks in 3 month blocks; its rare that we know much if anything outside of a 3 month window. Often when we do its something like Old World or Cities of Sigmar which so far has all been generic concept art style articles and such.

 Overread wrote:
Eh right now there might be one or two legit leaks and everything else is noise made up bits of leaks; bits of wishlists; people going for that buzz of being a releaser of information and attention etc...


GW will market it formally when they are ready, considering its a mid-year release and we are only half way through the 2nd month of the year its not really the time. I wouldn't expect anything until the end of March or April at the earliest.
GW marketing typically thinks in 3 month blocks; its rare that we know much if anything outside of a 3 month window. Often when we do its something like Old World or Cities of Sigmar which so far has all been generic concept art style articles and such.

Original rumour was Lion at Adepticon and 10th at WHFest in April/May.

Dudeface wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Eh right now there might be one or two legit leaks and everything else is noise made up bits of leaks; bits of wishlists; people going for that buzz of being a releaser of information and attention etc...


GW will market it formally when they are ready, considering its a mid-year release and we are only half way through the 2nd month of the year its not really the time. I wouldn't expect anything until the end of March or April at the earliest.
GW marketing typically thinks in 3 month blocks; its rare that we know much if anything outside of a 3 month window. Often when we do its something like Old World or Cities of Sigmar which so far has all been generic concept art style articles and such.

Original rumour was Lion at Adepticon and 10th at WHFest in April/May.

Friday next week we'll get the first Tarot card for book 5, i expect at least some hints towards the Lion any day now. Maybe the title of 'Farsight' gets officially revealed today or this weekend, it's about time.

8th edition was first mentioned alongside a DG teaser at Adepticon in March 2017, with further rules details in April and Primaris marines not shown off until May. Then Dark Imperium released in June.

If the preview/release timeline continues as-is we're looking at something like:

Farsight / Snikrot unveiled late Feb / early March.I'm expecting them on consecutive Mondays.
AOO book 3 released early March alongside Azrael / Vashtorr
The Lion revealed at Adepticon in March, along with a teaser for 10E. This might give enough details to confirm one of these sets of rumours.
AOO book 4 released early April alongside Farsight / Snikrot
Further details at Warhammerfest end of April
AOO book 5 released early May with the Lion
10th edition in June

RoyRobHobGob wrote:
Cannot give more details at the moment. But the launch box is called Vigil of Blood and will be previewed way sooner than rules teasers. Maybe teasered as early as next month.

So you're saying that one with all the digital stuff is the true one?

Been so many different rumours at this point it's getting pretty absurd.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

RoyRobHobGob wrote:
It is a bit more complicated than the broad strokes I used. If your initiative is high enough you can interrupt the enmy turn in certain situations. In addition to other purposes.

But that's it for now. Wait for the confirmation.


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No terminators in the launch box.

But I'll stop now.

I'm throwing the whole salt mine. Just joined this morning, and very first post is to crap on Valrak? Feels more like someone with an axe to grind.

Counter point: nobody with genuinely sensitive info to share is using their own account/account credentials to do so.

Plus everyone has to start somewhere.

That's the game though, isn't it?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

RoyRobHobGob wrote:
It is a bit more complicated than the broad strokes I used. If your initiative is high enough you can interrupt the enmy turn in certain situations. In addition to other purposes.

But that's it for now. Wait for the confirmation.


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No terminators in the launch box.

But I'll stop now.

I'm throwing the whole salt mine. Just joined this morning, and very first post is to crap on Valrak? Feels more like someone with an axe to grind.

Counter point: nobody with genuinely sensitive info to share is using their own account/account credentials to do so.

Plus everyone has to start somewhere.

That's the game though, isn't it?

Yes. Besides someone posting for the first time rumours here has more credibility than someone who actively makes an income out of posting rumours.

Tsagualsa wrote:
I added these rumours to the OP.

Personally, i think they're bunk, but who even knows anymore.

I think they are bunk, only because this would get me back into 40K big time. Right now I am just trying to catch up to see what I missed. I need to buy so many books, that it just turns me away. I don't want to buy a book that is already obsolete in two weeks. GW doing something different than an IGUO system I wanted so bad. Only thing to get me back. I have learned not to get hope up when it comes to GW and they always seem to disapoint.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

RoyRobHobGob wrote:
It is a bit more complicated than the broad strokes I used. If your initiative is high enough you can interrupt the enmy turn in certain situations. In addition to other purposes.

But that's it for now. Wait for the confirmation.


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No terminators in the launch box.

But I'll stop now.

I'm throwing the whole salt mine. Just joined this morning, and very first post is to crap on Valrak? Feels more like someone with an axe to grind.

Counter point: nobody with genuinely sensitive info to share is using their own account/account credentials to do so.

Plus everyone has to start somewhere.

That's the game though, isn't it?

Yes. Besides someone posting for the first time rumours here has more credibility than someone who actively makes an income out of posting rumours.

Conversely I can't recall the last time anyone credible used Dakka to post anything for the first time.

I have a hard believing anything that talks about a major reset, just simply because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective. They had to throw everything out for 8th, because 7th was failing and 40k was shrinking. 9th edition on the other hand has been the most successful edition of 40k ever.

Which is why it would be very surprising that they would take such a massive risk with a entire new edition rewrite, when they already clearly have a very successful formula. It just doesn't make sense to me.

 Sasori wrote:
I have a hard believing anything that talks about a major reset, just simply because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective. They had to throw everything out for 8th, because 7th was failing and 40k was shrinking. 9th edition on the other hand has been the most successful edition of 40k ever.

Which is why it would be very surprising that they would take such a massive risk with a entire new edition rewrite, when they already clearly have a very successful formula. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It feels like we're at a tipping point back to that 7th ed "eurgh not another set of crap" position and the stipulation has been they want the game to be more user friendly for people segwaying in from potential licensed franchises, ala TV shows.

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

RoyRobHobGob wrote:
It is a bit more complicated than the broad strokes I used. If your initiative is high enough you can interrupt the enmy turn in certain situations. In addition to other purposes.

But that's it for now. Wait for the confirmation.


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No terminators in the launch box.

But I'll stop now.

I'm throwing the whole salt mine. Just joined this morning, and very first post is to crap on Valrak? Feels more like someone with an axe to grind.

Counter point: nobody with genuinely sensitive info to share is using their own account/account credentials to do so.

Plus everyone has to start somewhere.

That's the game though, isn't it?

Yes. Besides someone posting for the first time rumours here has more credibility than someone who actively makes an income out of posting rumours.

Conversely I can't recall the last time anyone credible used Dakka to post anything for the first time.

I vaguely remember potato pics leaks and such from new accounts, there used to be rumour credible folks back in the day.

 Sasori wrote:
I have a hard believing anything that talks about a major reset, just simply because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective. They had to throw everything out for 8th, because 7th was failing and 40k was shrinking. 9th edition on the other hand has been the most successful edition of 40k ever.

Which is why it would be very surprising that they would take such a massive risk with a entire new edition rewrite, when they already clearly have a very successful formula. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The whole machine is fuelled by change, there's no risk as such, they'll keep churning out new releases, people will keep buying them. The change is how they get existing customers to buy old stuff they didn't pick up before, or expand on whatever they do own already. Any success is in spite of, not because of the rules. There's plenty of credible reasons people may be attracted to 40K, but the actual ruleset I'd suggest isn't all that near the top.

Dudeface wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I have a hard believing anything that talks about a major reset, just simply because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective. They had to throw everything out for 8th, because 7th was failing and 40k was shrinking. 9th edition on the other hand has been the most successful edition of 40k ever.

Which is why it would be very surprising that they would take such a massive risk with a entire new edition rewrite, when they already clearly have a very successful formula. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It feels like we're at a tipping point back to that 7th ed "eurgh not another set of crap" position and the stipulation has been they want the game to be more user friendly for people segwaying in from potential licensed franchises, ala TV shows.

But then the Amazon show is easily multiple years off at this point - they have just started doing the preleminary paperwork to even start production, so we're looking for most to all of 2023 for pre-production, writing, casting and scouting, 2024-2025 for actual shooting and then perhaps a premiere in mid to late 2025 or even 2026. At that point we're already starting to talk about 11th edition. And, on top of that, 10th would have been in a pretty advanced state of development when that whole story about the Amazon series was first rumoured, so i don't think that any considerations about that had much of a chance to influence 10th's design paradigms.

 Sasori wrote:
I have a hard believing anything that talks about a major reset, just simply because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective.

We had people defending Votaan with no fixes. You really think people wouldn't buy up whatever drivel GW releases?

a reset were everyone has to buy everything again while the big promise that "this time" everything will be perfect which will boost sales into the sky
is the perfect business perspective for GW

if it will work, we will see
but given that people are now defending a 6% increase were last years 5% increase caused an internet outrage, this will be the best selling version of 40k

Every new edition is "The best edition ever."... even when it's not.

Some of these rumors are intriguing, but the prospect of having another edition that will pander to the GT crowd gives me pause, and the prospect of two disparate modes of play, one targeting non-GT play and another specifically for GT-play is a serious red flag.

From Pastebin: GT is its separate ecosystem now, with its own rules, profiles and point costs.

Fragmenting W40K into effectively two different systems is the pinnacle of gak ideas. Crusade was a non-starter, so too will any differing mode of play if there also exists a Matched Play mode. If simplification and consolidation is the goal, two disparate modes of play would be its antithesis.

I don't know, but if the two-system thing is true... it could be the catalyst that pushes me to put away my dice for good.

 oni wrote:
Fragmenting W40K into effectively two different systems is the pinnacle of gak ideas. Crusade was a non-starter, so too will any differing mode of play if there also exists a Matched Play mode. If simplification and consolidation is the goal, two disparate modes of play would be its antithesis.

Well, that is most certainly a spicy take for a Friday.

Dudeface wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I hope this isn't true. Fixed loadouts on GT seems like a terrible idea, and it would most likely become the expected standard for pick up games too.

Conversely it might be possible to actually balance the damned thing a bit better.

The old damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 Dysartes wrote:

 oni wrote:
Fragmenting W40K into effectively two different systems is the pinnacle of gak ideas. Crusade was a non-starter, so too will any differing mode of play if there also exists a Matched Play mode. If simplification and consolidation is the goal, two disparate modes of play would be its antithesis.

Well, that is most certainly a spicy take for a Friday.

The good old "if I don't use it no one else must use it either". Classic.

 oni wrote:
Crusade was a non-starter

You know, for those of us who aren't tournament try-hards, Crusade is an absolute blessing. I love it WAY more than the tournament scene and wish more poeple would adopt it as standard. My FLGS is currently running a year-long Crusade, and I'm having a blast.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 oni wrote:
Crusade was a non-starter

You know, for those of us who aren't tournament try-hards, Crusade is an absolute blessing. I love it WAY more than the tournament scene and wish more poeple would adopt it as standard. My FLGS is currently running a year-long Crusade, and I'm having a blast.

Yeah, Crusade is by far my favourite way to play - and narrative play is always going to popular for people who enjoy the setting and lore.

Dudeface wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I have a hard believing anything that talks about a major reset, just simply because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective. They had to throw everything out for 8th, because 7th was failing and 40k was shrinking. 9th edition on the other hand has been the most successful edition of 40k ever.

Which is why it would be very surprising that they would take such a massive risk with a entire new edition rewrite, when they already clearly have a very successful formula. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It feels like we're at a tipping point back to that 7th ed "eurgh not another set of crap" position and the stipulation has been they want the game to be more user friendly for people segwaying in from potential licensed franchises, ala TV shows.

That's a pretty interesting take.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
The whole machine is fuelled by change, there's no risk as such, they'll keep churning out new releases, people will keep buying them. The change is how they get existing customers to buy old stuff they didn't pick up before, or expand on whatever they do own already. Any success is in spite of, not because of the rules. There's plenty of credible reasons people may be attracted to 40K, but the actual ruleset I'd suggest isn't all that near the top.

So if I'm hearing this right...Magnus did nothing wrong and Tzeentch is the most powerful god?






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Tsagualsa wrote:
But then the Amazon show is easily multiple years off at this point - they have just started doing the preleminary paperwork to even start production, so we're looking for most to all of 2023 for pre-production, writing, casting and scouting, 2024-2025 for actual shooting and then perhaps a premiere in mid to late 2025 or even 2026. At that point we're already starting to talk about 11th edition. And, on top of that, 10th would have been in a pretty advanced state of development when that whole story about the Amazon series was first rumoured, so i don't think that any considerations about that had much of a chance to influence 10th's design paradigms.

There are some pretty big games hitting sooner as well as that new animation.

Fascinating. Yeah, hard to put much faith in this latest set of rumors. They just seem way off the mark, changing things for the sake of changing things. I know GW does that, but initiative returning while wound rolls go away? Yeah, nah.

Someone's pulling the whole goat to laugh at our expense. But hey, that's internet cliques for you. People with so much time on their hands that they post in forums trying to make it so that THEIR "rumors" become the gospel so that when THEIR rumors turn out false, everyone gets mad at... GW.

The only thing I do know is that GW have pulled away from playtesters and have started to watermark documents and photographs with the persons NAME on them when the documents do go out, so leaking images is really, really unlikely to happen until someone actually gets the real product in hand. That's the only reason we don't have images of some of the rumored stuff that's coming out. People are actually scared of being pinned for the leaks this time around.

On the one hand... good? You presumably signed an NDA to become a playtester or get other early access material, so stick to the NDA.

On the other, it's a shame, but in theory that's where we get the slightly less precise text-based rumours (rather than images), as paraphrasing is trickier to track down on.

You would expect the paraphrasing to differ slightly from individual to individual, but some broad-brush trends should be identifiable if people are working from the same starting point.

 Dysartes wrote:
On the one hand... good? You presumably signed an NDA to become a playtester or get other early access material, so stick to the NDA.

Nah, people should break GW's NDA as often as possible. As long as playtesters are permitted to continue participating in competitive play all of GW's playtest material needs to be public.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
On the one hand... good? You presumably signed an NDA to become a playtester or get other early access material, so stick to the NDA.

Nah, people should break GW's NDA as often as possible. As long as playtesters are permitted to continue participating in competitive play all of GW's playtest material needs to be public.

Your takes continue to score a goose-egg on the scoreboard.

rumors help to spur discussion and hype, but have the danger of breaking expectations when something doesn't pan out the way people were hoping they would.

Actual leaks tend to ruin the hype, and once the leak is out, it can actually stifle a lot of discussion, to the point that people just sit around waiting for the thing to be released rather than hyped that something is coming.

When big announcements like Angron are predated by a potato-cam pic, then it spoils the wonder and surprise, because as long as things are text-based, there's still a possibility of them being false... but a picture is a lot harder to doctor up an fool people. (It happens, just less often).