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Tsagualsa wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

At the moment there's a bit of a lull in 10th edition rumours, but a bunch of the newer rumours have staked their credibility on the question of the 5th book in the Arks of Omen series - one batch of rumours says that that book throws a curveball and is about the Sanguinor, while several other batches and rumourmongers say it's about the Lion. Solving that question would mean that we know that either batch is probably fake or at least false. So we're debating that right now because we at least get the drip-feed of a new tarot card each friday for sure.

There were rumors awhile back about blood angels and dark angels being group together for some reason. And there was that vision from Arks of Omens about "a knight weeping crimson tears."

My crackpot theory is that the Lion ended up brain dead and the soul of sanguinius inhabits it, thus the model is the lion but it's actually Sanginius

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

Two additions here

Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake according to sources he trusts, video on 10th starter box to come next week

He said he wants to clear up with his sources which things he heard are true and which aren't, that's why the video will take until next week

Kill Team: new box called 'Ashes of Faith' with chaos cultists Dark Commune against an unspecified enemy, possibly Exodites

Not 100% Dark Commune in the Ashes of Faith box, he said could be them, could also be the Beastmen so if I understood correctly he knows Ashes of Faith is coming and he knows Beastman and Dark Commune will be in boxes just not which of the two will be in Ashes of Faith

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

Two additions here

Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake according to sources he trusts, video on 10th starter box to come next week

He said he wants to clear up with his sources which things he heard are true and which aren't, that's why the video will take until next week

Kill Team: new box called 'Ashes of Faith' with chaos cultists Dark Commune against an unspecified enemy, possibly Exodites

Not 100% Dark Commune in the Ashes of Faith box, he said could be them, could also be the Beastmen so if I understood correctly he knows Ashes of Faith is coming and he knows Beastman and Dark Commune will be in boxes just not which of the two will be in Ashes of Faith

Thanks, i clarified both parts.

 GaroRobe wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

At the moment there's a bit of a lull in 10th edition rumours, but a bunch of the newer rumours have staked their credibility on the question of the 5th book in the Arks of Omen series - one batch of rumours says that that book throws a curveball and is about the Sanguinor, while several other batches and rumourmongers say it's about the Lion. Solving that question would mean that we know that either batch is probably fake or at least false. So we're debating that right now because we at least get the drip-feed of a new tarot card each friday for sure.

There were rumors awhile back about blood angels and dark angels being group together for some reason. And there was that vision from Arks of Omens about "a knight weeping crimson tears."

My crackpot theory is that the Lion ended up brain dead and the soul of sanguinius inhabits it, thus the model is the lion but it's actually Sanginius

Me using whatever rules I feel like for my Marines

 GaroRobe wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

At the moment there's a bit of a lull in 10th edition rumours, but a bunch of the newer rumours have staked their credibility on the question of the 5th book in the Arks of Omen series - one batch of rumours says that that book throws a curveball and is about the Sanguinor, while several other batches and rumourmongers say it's about the Lion. Solving that question would mean that we know that either batch is probably fake or at least false. So we're debating that right now because we at least get the drip-feed of a new tarot card each friday for sure.

There were rumors awhile back about blood angels and dark angels being group together for some reason. And there was that vision from Arks of Omens about "a knight weeping crimson tears."

My crackpot theory is that the Lion ended up brain dead and the soul of sanguinius inhabits it, thus the model is the lion but it's actually Sanginius

The rumour can be tracked back at least to reddit in july of last year - it said that 10th edition will focus on the Imperium Nihilus with 'Angels of Death nostalgia', and 'Angels of Death' was a 2nd edition codex that had rules for both the Blood Angels and Dark Angels chapters and introduced some concepts and characters that have been staples for both chapters ever since.

Valrak, some time later, also mentioned that rumour and that a possible 'Angels of Death' codex may be coming - my personal stance on this is that this could be feasible considering that further chapter supplements are apparently in the works: putting two of them in a single volume under the 'Angels of Death' label for nostalgia's sake is something i can see GW doing for marketing value alone, especially if the supplements are rather thin.

Your crackpot theory is lucidly lunatic - it's something i could see GW doing in a convoluted and misunderstood way that got clarified later on in a novel

These rules rumours don't sound good at all.

As far as Tyranid design changes, I look to the video games, specifically the upcoming Space Marine II

Certain licensing partners get to see things well in advance of them ever gracing our table tops. For instance, I knew about quite a bit of what was in the 5th Ed Grey Knight Codex long before rumours of "Dread Knights" started floating around the Internet because the fine folks at FFG had been working on their Daemonhunter RPG expansion for quite a while and were provided the upcoming GK 'Dex to help writing that book. By the same token, Space Hulk: Deathwing came out not long after Genestealer Cultists returned to 40k, and was chock full of all the things that had only just received new miniatures. They clearly had been given the information in advance to add it to their games.

So what does the Space Marine II's trailer have? Gaunts and Warriors that do not look radically different to the current models. So it is my belief (hope?) that this is a portent of what is to come.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
These rules rumours don't sound good at all.

As far as Tyranid design changes, I look to the video games, specifically the upcoming Space Marine II

Certain licensing partners get to see things well in advance of them ever gracing our table tops. For instance, I knew about quite a bit of what was in the 5th Ed Grey Knight Codex long before rumours of "Dread Knights" started floating around the Internet because the fine folks at FFG had been working on their Daemonhunter RPG expansion for quite a while and were provided the upcoming GK 'Dex to help writing that book. By the same token, Space Hulk: Deathwing came out not long after Genestealer Cultists returned to 40k, and was chock full of all the things that had only just received new miniatures. They clearly had been given the information in advance to add it to their games.

So what does the Space Marine II's trailer have? Gaunts and Warriors that do not look radically different to the current models. So it is my belief (hope?) that this is a portent of what is to come.

It doesn't seem like Space Marine 2 got to see the new Imperial Guard designs, though.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

Edit 02/25/2023

A fresh video talks box sets and possible new armies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2lfolNIg-4

- Apparently a combat/boarding patrol box for Imperial Agents is on the way, including an Eversor assassin, Rogue Trader + retinue and Navis breachers
- Codex: Imperial Agents probably coming in 10th
- Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake according to sources he trusts, video on 10th starter box to come next week
- Primaris Chapter Command box is in the works, contents unclear according to sources he trusts
- Kill Team: new box called 'Ashes of Faith' with chaos cultists Dark Commune against an unspecified enemy, possibly Exodites
- Beastmen are coming for Kill Team and getting 'lots of love'
- Warhammer World open day will reveal Farsight, the 4th AoO book, possibly some of the stuff above

1. This one is a confirmer. No way you could guess thus
2. With the large amount of random and scattered Imperial Stuff that's come out recently, an Imperial agents codex is a good guess.
3. Obviously!
4. A possible "command" box could be anything.
5. Another Confirmer. An actual named box with confirmed contents is a big guess. However the Dark Commune set alone isn't enough for its own Kill team, so we'll see.
6. Would be cool. Another longshot confirmer. Maybe this is where that new Tzeentch familiar fits, alongside a Tzangor killteam. Maybe not.
7. Back to very obvious guesses.

Of course there's going to be an Imperial Agents Dex in 10th- how else are they going to get me to invest in another $%^&ing edition?

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

My first thought on this was IG Beastmen for Kill Team.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

My first thought on this was IG Beastmen for Kill Team.

And mine was Traitor IG Beastmen for Kill Team. We all know the Imperium's oppinion on "the mutant".

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

My first thought on this was IG Beastmen for Kill Team.

And mine was Traitor IG Beastmen for Kill Team. We all know the Imperium's oppinion on "the mutant".

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!

Yes, but once upon a time :

"Beastman bad. Bad Beastman. Dirty. Emperor no like. Beastman love Emperor. Give blood to Emperor. Give heads to Emperor. Say sorry."
— Packmaster Grasht, attached to the 7th Company, 14th Gratanor Regiment, Imperialis Auxilia during the Great Crusade

http://solegends.com/citrt2/rt4010igbeastmen/index.htm


Taking into account all of the nostalgia-stuff that has been coming out lately (Squats*, Navy Breachers, Arbites) and looking at the January 3rd
Rumor Engine.. who knows


*YMMV on this one..

 Mentlegen324 wrote:


It doesn't seem like Space Marine 2 got to see the new Imperial Guard designs, though.

A more 'premium' game like Space Marine 2 is very likely going to have a longer development time compared to other Warhammer games. It's entirely possible that new model details weren't finalised in time for last year's trailer to be developed. We could see minor tweaks to things like gaunts in the ~18 months between trailer and release.

Of course it's also possible that the game is deliberately being held back until more details on the 10E launch are made public as a tie-in release, and because it contains some upcoming new units & designs. I'm not expecting any release date for the game before this summer...

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

My first thought on this was IG Beastmen for Kill Team.

And mine was Traitor IG Beastmen for Kill Team. We all know the Imperium's oppinion on "the mutant".

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!

Yes, but once upon a time :

"Beastman bad. Bad Beastman. Dirty. Emperor no like. Beastman love Emperor. Give blood to Emperor. Give heads to Emperor. Say sorry."
— Packmaster Grasht, attached to the 7th Company, 14th Gratanor Regiment, Imperialis Auxilia during the Great Crusade

http://solegends.com/citrt2/rt4010igbeastmen/index.htm


Taking into account all of the nostalgia-stuff that has been coming out lately (Squats*, Navy Breachers, Arbites) and looking at the January 3rd
Rumor Engine.. who knows


*YMMV on this one..

In recent years we've had traitor beastmen with Blackstone fortress and loyalist beastmen in Necromunda, so it's not impossible we could see both (if they happen).

 xttz wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:


It doesn't seem like Space Marine 2 got to see the new Imperial Guard designs, though.

A more 'premium' game like Space Marine 2 is very likely going to have a longer development time compared to other Warhammer games. It's entirely possible that new model details weren't finalised in time for last year's trailer to be developed. We could see minor tweaks to things like gaunts in the ~18 months between trailer and release.

Of course it's also possible that the game is deliberately being held back until more details on the 10E launch are made public as a tie-in release, and because it contains some upcoming new units & designs. I'm not expecting any release date for the game before this summer...

It's also not entirely unheard of for trailers, especially big event trailers like E3 etc., to have little to no relation to the game that later gets released, swapping some character designs between early trailers and release would be on the tamer side.

So tomorrow seems to be a moment of truth for one rumour. If we're seeing either an Ossiarch Bonereaper or a Seraphon Spawning Pool, the recent Bolter and Chainsword rumour has more weight to it.

 Segersgia wrote:
So tomorrow seems to be a moment of truth for one rumour. If we're seeing either an Ossiarch Bonereaper or a Seraphon Spawning Pool, the recent Bolter and Chainsword rumour has more weight to it.

Iirc that rumourmonger did not say 'on [this] monday', but 'one of the next mondays', so it does not necessary need to be tomorrow, but any monday. It could be tomorrow, but if it's not that does not directly rule out the rumour.

https://10th.tiiny.site/

Sorry for being a bit cocky last time. I was pretty euphoric because I thought I have won in the 40k leak lottery. I got hold on a document that was making the rounds and thought I knew it all. I am not sure, if this document is fake or not but it was wrong, to pretend, that I was some super connected rumour monger.

I don’t know the source of this document. I got it on Disord and I am not the only one who has it. I put the raw *.txt into a proper editor and put some headers in, when I was still convinced I was sitting on the holy grail of leaks. I didn’t put the document out there right away because I was a bit power drunk and wanted to enjoy my spot in the spotlight. All I said last time was taken from this document and a separate snippet, I thought was connected. I do not have any inside knowledge, just the document in the link.

The reasons why I share this now:I think some of the current rumours are clearly feeding off of this document or parts thereof. And it might explain some of the outlandish claims of the past week.
Please do not carry this over to other platforms. And don’t accuse me of spreading false rumours. Even then I was convinced it was the real thing. I am on the fence now. See this as a hobby-historic document for those interested to see how rumours, fake or not, metastasize. It explains why there are suddenly so many different rumours talking about Initiative.

So my apologies for being an idiot last time. I hope I can remedy the situation by giving some insights with this.

What in the holy feth is that. That's... horrendous. Like, words can't describe how awful that will be if that's really 10th edition.

Yikes. Big fething yikes.

There is no earthly way that is real. Even by GW standards those rules are outright ridiculous.

Wayniac wrote:
What in the holy feth is that. That's... horrendous. Like, words can't describe how awful that will be if that's really 10th edition.

Yikes. Big fething yikes.

If you look at the last couple of pages, it's pretty clear imho that the dude that tried to sell these purported playtesting documents is just some sort of scammer that got increasingly pressuring and threatening once the mark voiced some doubts about all this and was averse on reneging the agreed-on payment

Tsagualsa wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
What in the holy feth is that. That's... horrendous. Like, words can't describe how awful that will be if that's really 10th edition.

Yikes. Big fething yikes.

If you look at the last couple of pages, it's pretty clear imho that the dude that tried to sell these purported playtesting documents is just some sort of scammer that got increasingly pressuring and threatening once the mark voiced some doubts about all this and was averse on reneging the agreed-on payment

Oh thank God

Wayniac wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
What in the holy feth is that. That's... horrendous. Like, words can't describe how awful that will be if that's really 10th edition.

Yikes. Big fething yikes.

If you look at the last couple of pages, it's pretty clear imho that the dude that tried to sell these purported playtesting documents is just some sort of scammer that got increasingly pressuring and threatening once the mark voiced some doubts about all this and was averse on reneging the agreed-on payment

Oh thank God

It's not the dumbest scam honestly, if you went around quietly, made up some serious-sounding rumours with the promise of much more and offered it for a couple hundred bucks to interested parties like rumour sites, streamers and so on you could probably make a quick thousand or two-thousand bucks before anyone got wise to your tricks. A couple hundred is small change for some of the more popular youtubers, and they could rationalize it because you could get weeks of streaming content out of this if it was real.

RoyRobHobGob wrote:
https://10th.tiiny.site/

I really don't buy any of this.

That "leak" seems absolutely fake. Lots of rambling on about stuff with the goal of something from someone, only to at the end become demanding and insulting because they expressed doubt about going through with it, while making out that there's no potential legal issues from it which, if someone had signed an NDA and understood what they were, is just absurd. It seems he was offering them as payment (along with money) for some sort of terrain files?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
That "leak" seems absolutely fake. Lots of rambling on about stuff with the goal of something from someone, only to at the end become demanding and insulting because they expressed doubt about going through with it, while making out that there's no potential legal issues from it which, if someone had signed an NDA and understood what they were, is just absurd. It seems he was offering them as payment (along with money) for some sort of terrain files?

As far as i understand it, the 'leaker' opened up the contact by hiring the other party to make them some '10th edition ready' terrain for 280€, then got to discussing the 10th edition terrain rules that he claimed to know, then spun his yarn about all the other stuff he claimed to have, and ended the whole story with wanting to get the terrain in exchange for a handful of 'playtesting files' and promo material, i.e. he tried to scam the other party out of 300 bucks worth of stuff.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
What in the holy feth is that. That's... horrendous. Like, words can't describe how awful that will be if that's really 10th edition.

Yikes. Big fething yikes.

If you look at the last couple of pages, it's pretty clear imho that the dude that tried to sell these purported playtesting documents is just some sort of scammer that got increasingly pressuring and threatening once the mark voiced some doubts about all this and was averse on reneging the agreed-on payment

Oh thank God

It's not the dumbest scam honestly, if you went around quietly, made up some serious-sounding rumours with the promise of much more and offered it for a couple hundred bucks to interested parties like rumour sites, streamers and so on you could probably make a quick thousand or two-thousand bucks before anyone got wise to your tricks. A couple hundred is small change for some of the more popular youtubers, and they could rationalize it because you could get weeks of streaming content out of this if it was real.

As far as I can tell, the rumour-monger was giving out the rumours in exchange for a $40
discount on some terrain (presumably 3D printed). The rumours monger agreed to pay $240 but the other party then freaked out about giving a discount due to receiving NDA'd info and said they'd only do it for the original price of $280. It's 50 frigging pages of garbled nonsense rules which honestly sounds like the worst ruleset I've ever seen in my life, but it seems like an awful lot of work (over multiple days it seems) for a $40 discount. Having said that, it's so awful that it *has* to be fake, surely.

Well unless the original AoS management team got a hold of 40K


But yeah more likely someone just running a scam and putting more effort into it in the hope that they'd get a nice pay-day out of it.

Heck if you thought you were going to get a few £100 to £1000 out of a bunch of people you could happily write 50 pages of stuff. Heck break it up to doing a bit here and there and you could easily churn out a whole load of it in not a huge amount of time.


Esp if you go copy-paste big chunks out of peoples wish lists and such.

Twilight Pathways wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
What in the holy feth is that. That's... horrendous. Like, words can't describe how awful that will be if that's really 10th edition.

Yikes. Big fething yikes.

If you look at the last couple of pages, it's pretty clear imho that the dude that tried to sell these purported playtesting documents is just some sort of scammer that got increasingly pressuring and threatening once the mark voiced some doubts about all this and was averse on reneging the agreed-on payment

Oh thank God

It's not the dumbest scam honestly, if you went around quietly, made up some serious-sounding rumours with the promise of much more and offered it for a couple hundred bucks to interested parties like rumour sites, streamers and so on you could probably make a quick thousand or two-thousand bucks before anyone got wise to your tricks. A couple hundred is small change for some of the more popular youtubers, and they could rationalize it because you could get weeks of streaming content out of this if it was real.

As far as I can tell, the rumour-monger was giving out the rumours in exchange for a $40
discount on some terrain (presumably 3D printed). The rumours monger agreed to pay $240 but the other party then freaked out about giving a discount due to receiving NDA'd info and said they'd only do it for the original price of $280. It's 50 frigging pages of garbled nonsense rules which honestly sounds like the worst ruleset I've ever seen in my life, but it seems like an awful lot of work (over multiple days it seems) for a $40 discount. Having said that, it's so awful that it *has* to be fake, surely.

These scams usually work by nickling and diming you in several steps, first it's a 40$ discount, then there's another one after you get shown *one* of the files and so on, and long after the initial transaction is done they offer you a full rulebook or a complete box or whatever for e.g. 500$ or something, the initial stuff is only to build a rapport and trust, and to weed out the people that are ultimately not dumb enough to fall for something like this.

Oddly I don't doubt that conversation potentially happened. I just think it's utter rubbish.