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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Or they're going to re-re-re-release Fallen rules!

Oh boy, I can't wait to see the effort not made with their Chosen entry yet again!

Mysterious 3rd party either isn't shown or isn't lion. We know model isn't coming together with aoo3. Who thieks lion comes without model?

 bullyboy wrote:
So, how about that blurb in the WHC article? “ The Dark Angels aren’t taking this invasion lightly, and rally their forces as a mysterious third party enters the slaughter.”
Probably the Lion waking up to save the Rock.

The Lion wouldn't be a "third party" considering he's part of the Dark Angels.

The Tarot card for the ending of the book(which was Daemon inversed) implies that Chaos Daemons defeat the Chaos Forces. I'm expecting Be'lakor as he was mentioned to have a rivalry with Vashtor.

"Mysterious third party" sounds like someone or something unaffiliated with the Dark Angels at all, most likely some errant xenos force.

One imagines a third party would either be Cypher (given her has a new book, and he might be bringing the Lion back his sword?), or Farsight given the reference on his model.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
"Mysterious third party" sounds like someone or something unaffiliated with the Dark Angels at all, most likely some errant xenos force.

Maybe the AI that Vashtorr has dealt with is a Votann and that's how they crowbar the leagues into plot relevancy

These "Scaramouche" rumours make it sound as if GW is suddenly thinking that many of the rules mechanics of KT21 would make sense in 40K? Dicepools, opposing rolls with criticals and so on?

Unless Mr Hamer turns out to be one of the leading rules writers for 10th ed, I'm calling BS.

What I can see is the army selections getting looser so as to make combined forces armies (such as Eldar/Drukhari/Harlies army or Inquisition etc) a more viable thing, as well as dropping toughness from basic infantry. Dropping PL in favour of more simplified points. Oh and indexes for all major factions at launch. Those sound more or less believable to me.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the 3rd party was Russ & Co.?

 The Phazer wrote:
One imagines a third party would either be Cypher (given her has a new book, and he might be bringing the Lion back his sword?), or Farsight given the reference on his model.

I'd be very surprised if it was Farsight, given he's the "star" of the next book.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the 3rd party was Russ & Co.?

Again. Who believes russ comes without model ready for 3rd party to fill.

No model, no rules. And gw won't even mention return of primarch without model to sell.

3rd party almost certainly Cypher or Luthor.

It’s not the Lion because where is he going to secretly get an army fro
? Yeah there’s plot armour but realistically those first two can rally some of the Fallen, some kind of last redemption attack which leaves most of them dead but saves the day.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
3rd party almost certainly Cypher or Luthor.

It’s not the Lion because where is he going to secretly get an army fro
? Yeah there’s plot armour but realistically those first two can rally some of the Fallen, some kind of last redemption attack which leaves most of them dead but saves the day.

Depending on how long the Lion has already been active in secret - as it has been rumoured - he could have rallied the Fallen himself. The Legion of the Damned also is a convenient source of 'Deus Ex Machina' wonder-armies to appear without prior warning. Other more esoteric possibilities include the Yellow King and whatever his deal is, the Star-Child or completely new characters/forces, one of the various alien/archaetech contraptions and beings in the DA's possession...

Whatever it is it is one that requires no new models. That rules out yellow king for example.

No model, no rules.

tneva82 wrote:
Whatever it is it is one that requires no new models. That rules out yellow king for example.

No model, no rules.

Who's Yellow King

EviscerationPlague wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Whatever it is it is one that requires no new models. That rules out yellow king for example.

No model, no rules.

Who's Yellow King

According to Abnett's Penitent, the King in Yellow is

(I don't know how to do SPOILER correctly so I will instead space down a bit)








MOD EDIT. NEXT TIME PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS.

Put (spoiler) and then (/spoiler) around that but use square brackets.

It should be noted that the possible identity of the King in Yellow has changed through a few names or possible identities and the name dropped happens at the very end of the 2nd novel in the series. Which is all we have right now as the 3rd has yet to be published.

So it could be true or it might not be. Also

Can't really be him. Even if they don't use the current model, make a new one and call him "King in Yellow" (unlikely), thus avoiding spoilers for the book, people aren't going to know who / why he is, making it a bit pointless.

New Stuff from Valrak, this time in a post on B&C, concerning Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

Received more info on new Tyranid models, little muddy on whats in the box, take it for what you will.

⦁ New Hormagaunts
⦁ Vemon Crawler type Nid unit.
⦁ New Screamer Killer Karnifex.
⦁ New Lictors
⦁ Winged Warrior.
⦁ New Biovores
⦁ Plastic Spore Mines and Chunky
⦁ Norm Emissary (Beefed up Zoan Throat)

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/

Norm Emissary, Venom Crawler, and Screamer Killer Carnifex are the only things interesting there, rest is a no-brainer.

Tsagualsa wrote:
New Stuff from Valrak, this time in a post on B&C, concerning Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

Received more info on new Tyranid models, little muddy on whats in the box, take it for what you will.

⦁ New Hormagaunts
⦁ Vemon Crawler type Nid unit.
⦁ New Screamer Killer Karnifex.
⦁ New Lictors
⦁ Winged Warrior.
⦁ New Biovores
⦁ Plastic Spore Mines and Chunky
⦁ Norm Emissary (Beefed up Zoan Throat)

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/

Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

All of that in a box? Isn't that a bit too much? Maybe a £300 box XD XD

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
New Stuff from Valrak, this time in a post on B&C, concerning Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

Received more info on new Tyranid models, little muddy on whats in the box, take it for what you will.

⦁ New Hormagaunts
⦁ Vemon Crawler type Nid unit.
⦁ New Screamer Killer Karnifex.
⦁ New Lictors
⦁ Winged Warrior.
⦁ New Biovores
⦁ Plastic Spore Mines and Chunky
⦁ Norm Emissary (Beefed up Zoan Throat)

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/

Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

I corrected that stuff for the OP and added things he only mentioned in the Video. I think he literally just posted what the Youtube auto-transcripting thingy made out of his accent

Here's what's now in the OP:

Edit 03/08/2023 'Actually it's pronounced Zoan-GOAT'

Valrak got more info on Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

- 'Two to three new types of Gaunts' he does not know the name of
- New Hormagaunts
- Vemon Crawler type unit in the vein of a 'Brainbug'
- New Screamer Killer Carnifex.
- New Lictors
- Winged Warrior.
- New Biovores
- Plastic Spore Mines, have a 'chunkier' version
- Norn Emissary beefed up Zoanthrope

- After the box, Tyranids get 'a full range refresh'
- New Genestealers later on, possibly in another boxed set, possibly Space Hulk or Space Hulk themed Kill Team box w/ new Terminators

Valrak's B&C post: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/
Video: https://youtu.be/yoEPq0PTqAs

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 NAVARRO wrote:
All of that in a box? Isn't that a bit too much? Maybe a £300 box XD XD

He said that he's mixing general rumours with what he heard is in the box specifically in the video.

Dudeface wrote:


Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

The perfect caricature of his innacurate "content".

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
New Stuff from Valrak, this time in a post on B&C, concerning Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

Received more info on new Tyranid models, little muddy on whats in the box, take it for what you will.

⦁ New Hormagaunts
⦁ Vemon Crawler type Nid unit.
⦁ New Screamer Killer Karnifex.
⦁ New Lictors
⦁ Winged Warrior.
⦁ New Biovores
⦁ Plastic Spore Mines and Chunky
⦁ Norm Emissary (Beefed up Zoan Throat)

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/

Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

I corrected that stuff for the OP and added things he only mentioned in the Video. I think he literally just posted what the Youtube auto-transcripting thingy made out of his accent

Here's what's now in the OP:

Edit 03/08/2023 'Actually it's pronounced Zoan-GOAT'

Valrak got more info on Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

- 'Two to three new types of Gaunts' he does not know the name of
- New Hormagaunts
- Vemon Crawler type unit in the vein of a 'Brainbug'
- New Screamer Killer Carnifex.
- New Lictors
- Winged Warrior.
- New Biovores
- Plastic Spore Mines, have a 'chunkier' version
- Norn Emissary beefed up Zoanthrope

- After the box, Tyranids get 'a full range refresh'
- New Genestealers later on, possibly in another boxed set, possibly Space Hulk or Space Hulk themed Kill Team box w/ new Terminators

Valrak's B&C post: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/
Video: https://youtu.be/yoEPq0PTqAs

To add one extra note to yours:
- the winged warrior isn't clarified if it's multiple or singular, so might be the HQ opposite the captain

Added that note to the OP, thanks

 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

The perfect caricature of his innacurate "content".

On a side note on the rumours...
Apart from the big boys he pretty much said the vast majority of Nid species is going to be done : New gaunts, Fex, Lictors, warriors, Biovores/mines, Zoe and Stealers...

So yeah if from that list only one is updated he can do another tubevid saying - I WAS right!

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
New Stuff from Valrak, this time in a post on B&C, concerning Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

Received more info on new Tyranid models, little muddy on whats in the box, take it for what you will.

⦁ New Hormagaunts
⦁ Vemon Crawler type Nid unit.
⦁ New Screamer Killer Karnifex.
⦁ New Lictors
⦁ Winged Warrior.
⦁ New Biovores
⦁ Plastic Spore Mines and Chunky
⦁ Norm Emissary (Beefed up Zoan Throat)

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/

Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

Norm sends an emissary because he's too shy to show his beefed up throat

Also the spore mines bit is a little WTF. We have spore mines - if we get plastic biovores and they come with 3-4 spore mines, do we need a standalone kit? No, not really, GW did a good job with spore mines.

Yeah, this rumor seems fake and dumb.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
New Stuff from Valrak, this time in a post on B&C, concerning Tyranids in the 10th starter box:

Received more info on new Tyranid models, little muddy on whats in the box, take it for what you will.

⦁ New Hormagaunts
⦁ Vemon Crawler type Nid unit.
⦁ New Screamer Killer Karnifex.
⦁ New Lictors
⦁ Winged Warrior.
⦁ New Biovores
⦁ Plastic Spore Mines and Chunky
⦁ Norm Emissary (Beefed up Zoan Throat)

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377833-10th-edition-tyranid-rumours-boxset/

Christ he could at least look up the unit names for spelling.

Norm sends an emissary because he's too shy to show his beefed up throat

Also the spore mines bit is a little WTF. We have spore mines - if we get plastic biovores and they come with 3-4 spore mines, do we need a standalone kit? No, not really, GW did a good job with spore mines.

Yeah, this rumor seems fake and dumb.

He doesn't know if they're separate kits or not as detailed at the top. Same way you might not have known if scarabs came with warriors or not etc.

Dudeface wrote:
He doesn't know if they're separate kits or not as detailed at the top. Same way you might not have known if scarabs came with warriors or not etc.

The old scheme of packing a couple of Rippers into every other 'nid sprue or putting Scarabs on the Necron's was quite a good idea, they could do it with spore mines as well.