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Dudeface wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
My personal theory is that this is for now all teasing Nids vs Termies as the final Kill Team Gallowdark chapter, which may or may not then tie into a Nids vs Marines 10th edition starter. Pretty sure the final 1st edition Kill Team box also matched the 40k starter set matchup of the time.

First edition in the lofty heights of 6/7th was tau vs marines, starter was CSM vs DA
2nd edition was in 8th and features GSC vs Admech, starter set was DG vs marines
3rd edition is Krieg vs Orks obviously and current starter is crons vs marines

So nope on all accounts.

The point you're trying to ignore is that the last box of the previous version of Kill Team was Fayled Ones versus Heavy Intercessors, which matched 9th ed released just over half a year earlier in that it was Necrons versus Marines. Your list does nothing to address or refute lord_blackfang's point.

The part of this idea that requires skepticism is that by the time the Kill Team box came around the latest edition of 40k had been released. Gallowfall should beat the release of 10th ed by a month or so. So it's not the same situation.

A point in favor of the proposed scenario is that 10th ed Marines versus Necrons can and probably will be announced at the same time as the Gallowfall contents, and therefore not accidentally give away 10th ed or its contents. The thing that gets in the way of it the most is that Kill Team probably shows off at least one model at Adepticon and there is no guarantee that the same is true of 10th ed. Any such model could hint at the design direction we'll see in the 10th ed starter factions and might therefore not be desirable to GW.

 Geifer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
My personal theory is that this is for now all teasing Nids vs Termies as the final Kill Team Gallowdark chapter, which may or may not then tie into a Nids vs Marines 10th edition starter. Pretty sure the final 1st edition Kill Team box also matched the 40k starter set matchup of the time.

First edition in the lofty heights of 6/7th was tau vs marines, starter was CSM vs DA
2nd edition was in 8th and features GSC vs Admech, starter set was DG vs marines
3rd edition is Krieg vs Orks obviously and current starter is crons vs marines

So nope on all accounts.

The point you're trying to ignore is that the last box of the previous version of Kill Team was Fayled Ones versus Heavy Intercessors, which matched 9th ed released just over half a year earlier in that it was Necrons versus Marines. Your list does nothing to address or refute lord_blackfang's point.

The part of this idea that requires skepticism is that by the time the Kill Team box came around the latest edition of 40k had been released. Gallowfall should beat the release of 10th ed by a month or so. So it's not the same situation.

A point in favor of the proposed scenario is that 10th ed Marines versus Necrons can and probably will be announced at the same time as the Gallowfall contents, and therefore not accidentally give away 10th ed or its contents. The thing that gets in the way of it the most is that Kill Team probably shows off at least one model at Adepticon and there is no guarantee that the same is true of 10th ed. Any such model could hint at the design direction we'll see in the 10th ed starter factions and might therefore not be desirable to GW.

That's fair I did misread the comment and yes you're right, pariah nexus was well after the 10th reveal and even launch.

But having a sample size of 1 isn't conducive to much.

Dudeface wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
An even playing field is the last thing GW wants. You're supposed to chase the meta.

Which people do so well! Just watch 2nd hand prices and stock levels chase the meta and you'll see there's plenty of people just waiting to buy "what's good".

What meta are they chasing right now?

Brickfix wrote:
If it is kill Team, why does it have the 40k logo? Kill Team products have been marketed with the orange/Black background and the knife/skull emblem

It could be the 40K universe which covers 40K, KT, Necro, AI, and BSF.

 The Phazer wrote:
I would be quite glad if they were going to make it clear that the boarding actions rules would carry over to 10th to justify the Space Hulk mentions.

While GW never want to go too early it would be a lot easier to justify buying that terrain if it was going to have a purpose in six months time.

Terrain has always use. Rules less so. Terrain good, books bad

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
An even playing field is the last thing GW wants. You're supposed to chase the meta.

Which people do so well! Just watch 2nd hand prices and stock levels chase the meta and you'll see there's plenty of people just waiting to buy "what's good".

What meta are they chasing right now?

I refer you back to the mass out of stocking and subsequent mass ebay resale of plasma inceptors from a month or two back as a key example. Meta wise look at terminator sales and GSC, although they always were more expensive generally.

Conversely there's lots of tyranid warriors going 2nd hand I've noticed.

What if GW is planning to incorporate boarding party into 10th replacing, or incorporating, them into the campaign part of the rules with BP/space hulk/kill team. It seems to me that they are all working at the same scale for combat so shouldn't it be easy to just mash them all together?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
What if GW is planning to incorporate boarding party into 10th replacing, or incorporating, them into the campaign part of the rules with BP/space hulk/kill team. It seems to me that they are all working at the same scale for combat so shouldn't it be easy to just mash them all together?

that would require them to actually keep a set of terrain in stock for more than a year.

I'm not saying they haven't done it, but their track record of actually keeping terrain in stock for certain game modes is quite poor.

There was an old space hulk expansion with Deathwing but can’t remember the title.

John D Law wrote:
There was an old space hulk expansion with Deathwing but can’t remember the title.

It was called:

John D Law wrote:
There was an old space hulk expansion with Deathwing but can’t remember the title.

I'm pretty sure it was just called Space Hulk Deathwing.

That makes sense 👍

 Geifer wrote:
Fayled Ones

Judging by the godawful models, this name feels accurate

The old Advanced Space Crusade was pretty cool. Marine scouts vs Tyranid warriors aboard a bio ship. Never played it myself but I got the impression the marines were the swarm force, not quite sure how it would work (maybe required some smaller tyranid beasts).

And it spawned Tyranid Attack, which is the first GW thing I ever got.

Played that game endlessly.

If its 10th edition perhaps they have figured out a brand new way to "fix" armour in 40k, and therefor include terminators and tyranids as two opposites in the armour department, to showcase how awesome their new system works to balance the different styled factions.
Otherwise its a weird choise for a starter.

 Fayric wrote:
If its 10th edition perhaps they have figured out a brand new way to "fix" armour in 40k, and therefor include terminators and tyranids as two opposites in the armour department, to showcase how awesome their new system works to balance the different styled factions.
Otherwise its a weird choise for a starter.

It is no less weird than Marines v Necrons which is what we got for 9th edition. If GW are basically using starter sets to do a range refresh for a faction (again like they did with Necrons) then in many ways it makes lots of sense.

10th edition for sure, but these are really bad previews. How many pics of eye have we got so far. Exciting stuff

Total wish listing but I'd like 10th to bring about removal of complexity of umpteen stratagems.

Then use the reduced "complexity space" (for want of a better term) to bring back more "realism" elements like Vehicle armour facings and the old damage tables for effects.

Think I might be in the minority there though...

So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be Votann vs Beastmen. I estimate the chance of Gallowfall being Idomi termies vs nids to be below 5%

I still think its 10th ed 40K or standalone Space Hulk

 streetsamurai wrote:
10th edition for sure, but these are really bad previews. How many pics of eye have we got so far. Exciting stuff

I think they operate under the assumption that another drawn-out campaign of vague teasers and in-setting flair that's open up to interpretation would be too much after we had 20 weeks of it for Arks of Omen, and that they'd better jump to the hype straight away for 10th edition. Can't say that i personally disagree.


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 tauist wrote:
So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be Votann vs Beastmen. I estimate the chance of Gallowfall being Idomi termies vs nids to be below 5%

I still think its 10th ed 40K or standalone Space Hulk

Can you point me to that scene please, preferably in a way that i can add to the OP?

 tauist wrote:
So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be Votann vs Beastmen. I estimate the chance of Gallowfall being Idomi termies vs nids to be below 5%

I still think its 10th ed 40K or standalone Space Hulk

Again, it's a gaunt and the article states the images are from planetside, so for it to be space hulk, it'd actually be "Space Planet Surface Battle - Featuring terminators and a mixed Tyranid force!"

What if they are doing some sort of Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest hybrid? Basically it would be space hulk with an increased enemies roster and some light levelling up mechanics. Unlikely, but maybe the next warhammer quest is likely to be a 40K themed one (if they do another) and Space Hulk already has that dungeon crawler vibe going on. It is not a big leap to combine the two.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
What if they are doing some sort of Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest hybrid? Basically it would be space hulk with an increased enemies roster and some light levelling up mechanics. Unlikely, but maybe the next warhammer quest is likely to be a 40K themed one (if they do another) and Space Hulk already has that dungeon crawler vibe going on. It is not a big leap to combine the two.

At what point does Space Hulk stop being Space Hulk, if it isn't actually on a Space Hulk? It'd just be Warhammer Quest: Tyranid Hive or something, which would be very cool admittedly, but it's kinda slapping logic in the face at this point.

Dudeface wrote:

 tauist wrote:
So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be Votann vs Beastmen. I estimate the chance of Gallowfall being Idomi termies vs nids to be below 5%

I still think its 10th ed 40K or standalone Space Hulk

Again, it's a gaunt and the article states the images are from planetside, so for it to be space hulk, it'd actually be "Space Planet Surface Battle - Featuring terminators and a mixed Tyranid force!"

It's Tyranids fighting in the ruins of Cadia and St. Josmane's Hope.

There's big ol' chunks of planetoid, so it can be both Space Hulk AND ground combat!

Dudeface wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
What if they are doing some sort of Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest hybrid? Basically it would be space hulk with an increased enemies roster and some light levelling up mechanics. Unlikely, but maybe the next warhammer quest is likely to be a 40K themed one (if they do another) and Space Hulk already has that dungeon crawler vibe going on. It is not a big leap to combine the two.

At what point does Space Hulk stop being Space Hulk, if it isn't actually on a Space Hulk? It'd just be Warhammer Quest: Tyranid Hive or something, which would be very cool admittedly, but it's kinda slapping logic in the face at this point.

We're probably overthinking it, it's just a joke from the Warhammer Community intern... people always take that stuff too serious and out of context, but if you're reading more than the first post in a thread it's clear they're just horsing around, the mention full zoat armies, fishmen and space fimir all the time, but somehow nobody falls for that

Dudeface wrote:

 tauist wrote:
So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be Votann vs Beastmen. I estimate the chance of Gallowfall being Idomi termies vs nids to be below 5%

I still think its 10th ed 40K or standalone Space Hulk

Again, it's a gaunt and the article states the images are from planetside, so for it to be space hulk, it'd actually be "Space Planet Surface Battle - Featuring terminators and a mixed Tyranid force!"

Or... "Gallowfall" refers to the space hulk remnants falling from the sky onto a planet? Then the terminators are trying to blow it up or seal it before the contents can escape.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
What if they are doing some sort of Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest hybrid? Basically it would be space hulk with an increased enemies roster and some light levelling up mechanics. Unlikely, but maybe the next warhammer quest is likely to be a 40K themed one (if they do another) and Space Hulk already has that dungeon crawler vibe going on. It is not a big leap to combine the two.

At what point does Space Hulk stop being Space Hulk, if it isn't actually on a Space Hulk? It'd just be Warhammer Quest: Tyranid Hive or something, which would be very cool admittedly, but it's kinda slapping logic in the face at this point.

We're probably overthinking it, it's just a joke from the Warhammer Community intern... people always take that stuff too serious and out of context, but if you're reading more than the first post in a thread it's clear they're just horsing around, the mention full zoat armies, fishmen and space fimir all the time, but somehow nobody falls for that

Oh I know, but I'm literally astounded at the number of people who keep saying space hulk despite every little grain of logic and evidence saying otherwise and missing the pun entirely.

We're almost certainly overthinking it. It's almost certainly (IMO) Warhammer 40K 10e or at least not space Hulk.

 tauist wrote:
So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be ~

With KT not being my favorite game, no I don't.

I find KT tolerable enough to play with a friend who does really like it. But beyond the base rules & the compendium I just sort of ignore it otherwise.

As for the pics?
I'm betting Space Hulk. Seems about time to recycle it.
And if the 10th starter is BA vs Tyranids, + the new KT/Boarding Action terrain? It'd be a perfect time to launch an all new, more expensive, version of SPace Hulk.