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2023/03/29 16:51:57
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Maybe he has a parry move that they haven't shown us? Isn't Johnson supposed to be an expert swordsman?
He has the emperor's shield, how about you parry with the shield, lol.
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
2023/03/29 16:53:10
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
You know how in RPGs you give your companions gear you don't want or need anymore? Maybe it's like that.
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
I mean, it's in this well-known artwork if you can accept that the Emperor is about 45 meters tall:
Not many people know that, but the Emperor class titan is called that because just like the Emperor's, his legs could fit whole companies of guardsmen inside
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2023/03/29 17:08:17
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Usually you parry with a sword, not with a shield. It's a fencing move.
Shield parries are a Dark Souls thing.
It's a figure of speech, but yes, you could broadly deflect a sword stroke with a shield, the same as you could with a sword. They don't use shields in traditional fencing unless it's HEMA, but in HEMA obviously they use shields to deflect and follow up with a sword blow, control the opponent's weapon, or use the shield to provide cover while striking in much the same way as you would with a sword.
The point is, you would think his defensive rules would be encompassed by his shield. If it says 4+ invulnerable save, that says to me that's probably what he gets. Maybe they'll add a -1 to hit in close combat or something to his datasheet.
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
2023/03/29 17:09:15
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
Spoiler:
Oh, right. The Emperor's Shield. The Shield of the Emperor, the Shield chosen especially to be wielded by the Emperor, the Emperor's Shield. That Shield?
Sorry, I saw your post and this is immediately where my mind went to.
Usually you parry with a sword, not with a shield. It's a fencing move.
Shield parries are a Dark Souls thing.
It's a figure of speech, but yes, you could broadly deflect a sword stroke with a shield, the same as you could with a sword. They don't use shields in traditional fencing unless it's HEMA, but in HEMA obviously they use shields to deflect and follow up with a sword blow, control the opponent's weapon, or use the shield to provide cover while striking in much the same way as you would with a sword.
The point is, you would think his defensive rules would be encompassed by his shield. If it says 4+ invulnerable save, that says to me that's probably what he gets. Maybe they'll add a -1 to hit in close combat or something to his datasheet.
Fair enough, a shield could be used that way, yes.
I was thinking along more of the traditional parry, as used in fencing, because he is known as the "Duelist"
When I hear duelist, I think fencing.
As for the shield, I'm not sure it would encompass all defensive rules. Against ranged, sure, but specifically in melee? That would be when he could use a hypothetical parry move.
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2023/03/29 17:25:38
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
It’s from his pre-Emperor time. Isn’t he Saint George? One of those gates on Terra has a giant mural of him fighting a serpent
2023/03/29 17:46:00
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
The Emperor has always been shown with a shield, though.
The one on his shoulder....and his equipment is capable of changing size to fit the user.
2023/03/29 17:48:43
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
The Emperor has always been shown with a shield, though.
The one on his shoulder....and his equipment is capable of changing size to fit the user.
At this point of empowerment it's practically a demonic gift of the God-Emperor, i'd wager.
Also, nobody seems to bat an eyelid at mysterious forest-based warp teleportation, but a fancy shield for a swordsman is just a bridge too far...
2023/03/29 17:50:52
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Lord Damocles wrote: Ah yes: The Emperor's Shield. That well known relic that we're all aware of, and totally hasn't just been made up because Big Dude #2 had a free hand.
The Emperor has always been shown with a shield, though.
The one on his shoulder....and his equipment is capable of changing size to fit the user.
Back in MY DAY, the Emperor and all his Primarchs were the same size as other humans, and could blend in with the population if they weren't all the time being awesomely badass.
If the Emps can undergo 40 years of scale creep, why not the little shield he had on his shoulder?
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2023/03/29 17:52:54
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
"We heard you all think 40k is too lethal, so we are toning it down..."
"...Also btw the Lion has 10 WS2+ S10 AP-5 4 damage attacks, or 20 WS2+ S6 AP-3 2 damage attacks."
In the world of Abaddon, the Avatar of Khaine etc this is much of a muchness, but it does feel a bit silly, even if as Daedalus says it will just annihilate something for massive overkill a lot of the time.
2023/03/29 19:05:14
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
The model looks great, but I wonder how many folks will be willing to remove @ 10 Terminators from their lists to field him? I'm assuming a 300-350 points cost.
No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby.
2023/03/29 19:13:16
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Tyel wrote: "We heard you all think 40k is too lethal, so we are toning it down..."
"...Also btw the Lion has 10 WS2+ S10 AP-5 4 damage attacks, or 20 WS2+ S6 AP-3 2 damage attacks."
In the world of Abaddon, the Avatar of Khaine etc this is much of a muchness, but it does feel a bit silly, even if as Daedalus says it will just annihilate something for massive overkill a lot of the time.
Ironically, even though Abaddon does less raw damage, Abaddon could easily down Lion if the rules revealed so far are all there is. Just did some quick mathhammer.
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
2023/03/29 19:21:55
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Tyel wrote: "We heard you all think 40k is too lethal, so we are toning it down..."
"...Also btw the Lion has 10 WS2+ S10 AP-5 4 damage attacks, or 20 WS2+ S6 AP-3 2 damage attacks."
In the world of Abaddon, the Avatar of Khaine etc this is much of a muchness, but it does feel a bit silly, even if as Daedalus says it will just annihilate something for massive overkill a lot of the time.
Ironically, even though Abaddon does less raw damage, Abaddon could easily down Lion if the rules revealed so far are all there is. Just did some quick mathhammer.
Yeah, hopefully The Lion also has some wound-lock mechanism as well.
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2023/03/29 19:27:59
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
I’m just going to say it…. The terminators are dull. Not a bad thing for most chapters but I’d much rather stick with Deathwing box with all the extra goodness.
As for the Lion, really shocked he doesn’t have more of a defensive capability. -1 to hit for swordsmanship etc.
He’s a blender but I truly expected better defensive stats, and yes, the shield is pretty weak. No wonder the Emperor didn’t use it!
2023/03/29 20:07:47
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Tyel wrote: "We heard you all think 40k is too lethal, so we are toning it down..."
"...Also btw the Lion has 10 WS2+ S10 AP-5 4 damage attacks, or 20 WS2+ S6 AP-3 2 damage attacks."
In the world of Abaddon, the Avatar of Khaine etc this is much of a muchness, but it does feel a bit silly, even if as Daedalus says it will just annihilate something for massive overkill a lot of the time.
I am super curious on how they'll handle datasheets of big hitters like this. It'd be nice if they tossed us the 10th datasheet at the same time as these ones.
2023/03/29 20:33:20
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
bullyboy wrote: I’m just going to say it…. The terminators are dull. Not a bad thing for most chapters but I’d much rather stick with Deathwing box with all the extra goodness.
As for the Lion, really shocked he doesn’t have more of a defensive capability. -1 to hit for swordsmanship etc.
He’s a blender but I truly expected better defensive stats, and yes, the shield is pretty weak. No wonder the Emperor didn’t use it!
I suspect these are ETB, and may not be the general release unit.
But I do appreciate they seem better proportioned, and the shoulders look to be more realistically positioned.
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bullyboy wrote: I’m just going to say it…. The terminators are dull. Not a bad thing for most chapters but I’d much rather stick with Deathwing box with all the extra goodness.
As for the Lion, really shocked he doesn’t have more of a defensive capability. -1 to hit for swordsmanship etc.
He’s a blender but I truly expected better defensive stats, and yes, the shield is pretty weak. No wonder the Emperor didn’t use it!
I suspect these are ETB, and may not be the general release unit.
But I do appreciate they seem better proportioned, and the shoulders look to be more realistically positioned.
I'm almost certain they are ETB, I don't recall a multi build unit (not character) with tactical rocks, and several of the termis have them.
Edit: I still believe they are ETB, if for nothing less than they are almost certain to be included in the launch box, and those have been ETB for several editions now. However I will not the Eliminators and Blade guard to a lesser extent have tactical rock in the multipart kits, however, they are also a single model per small sprue and are three man kits. I can't see them taking that approach to a five man termi box.
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2023/03/29 20:46:11
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
At some point, there has to a game - somewhere - that takes it's narrative inspiration from the Battle Royales from the Anchorman movies. All the Primarchs returned and with their Chapter buddies.
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2023/03/29 21:04:10
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Tyel wrote: "We heard you all think 40k is too lethal, so we are toning it down..."
"...Also btw the Lion has 10 WS2+ S10 AP-5 4 damage attacks, or 20 WS2+ S6 AP-3 2 damage attacks."
In the world of Abaddon, the Avatar of Khaine etc this is much of a muchness, but it does feel a bit silly, even if as Daedalus says it will just annihilate something for massive overkill a lot of the time.
I'm not one to defend GW, but this IS an iteration for his release at the end of the edition.
2023/03/29 21:22:43
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Now with unspectacular leaks of the 'Lion's Guard' box!
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
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