10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**Kanluwen**

Dudeface wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

I'm not really sure what you're on about.

It's a tournament that has been scheduled for how long?

Them having demos doesn't mean jack. You're letting confirmation bias make you think you actually have a definitive answer as to the release dates.
Warhammerfest, which is April 29th to May 1st, is also having demos.

Does that mean that the preorder will be May 13th?

No it means that the release date rumours still lime up with the kansas event. It means it won't be in people's hands by 4th June. It tells you a lot, it doesn't confirm a release date.

It tells you literally nothing. It just tells you that they're not going to force a tournament use new rules.

You're getting too angry about something irrelevant

Don't pretend to know my moods. I'm not angry. I just find it ridiculous to presume that it will 100% be June.

you've also been confidently wrong on these sorts of things before.

I've also been proven right on things, and yet I don't harp on that gak.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

I'm not really sure what you're on about.

It's a tournament that has been scheduled for how long?

What's stopping them from having planned it a long time ago and just only announcing it now?

Why did you trim the rest of the post?

I'm not the one claiming that the KC Open having a demo means that the preorders start the next week. Given how much of this edition is supposed to be digital, there's literally nothing stopping them from doing preorders for the Big Box in May, then releasing the physical indices and cards in June alongside of Seraphon.

**lord_blackfang**

Hm. No half range stipulation on that melta.

**Kanluwen**

Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

Source?

**lord_blackfang**

D1 on the plasmas seems too unbelieavable to risk putting on a fake.

**Tyran**

If it is a fake then it is an extremely well done fake.

**Asmodai**

lord_blackfang wrote:
D1 on the plasmas seems too unbelieavable to risk putting on a fake.

It just says "Rapid Fire" for the Bolter, which doesn't mean anything since the weapon rule "Rapid Fire X" does X extra shots within half range. (Unless Rapid Fire defaults to 1 if no value is specified, but that seems a little convoluted.)

**Dudeface**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

I'm not really sure what you're on about.

It's a tournament that has been scheduled for how long?

Them having demos doesn't mean jack. You're letting confirmation bias make you think you actually have a definitive answer as to the release dates.
Warhammerfest, which is April 29th to May 1st, is also having demos.

Does that mean that the preorder will be May 13th?

No it means that the release date rumours still lime up with the kansas event. It means it won't be in people's hands by 4th June. It tells you a lot, it doesn't confirm a release date.

It tells you literally nothing. It just tells you that they're not going to force a tournament use new rules.

You're getting too angry about something irrelevant

Don't pretend to know my moods. I'm not angry. I just find it ridiculous to presume that it will 100% be June.

you've also been confidently wrong on these sorts of things before.

I've also been proven right on things, and yet I don't harp on that gak.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

I'm not really sure what you're on about.

It's a tournament that has been scheduled for how long?

What's stopping them from having planned it a long time ago and just only announcing it now?

Why did you trim the rest of the post?

I'm not the one claiming that the KC Open having a demo means that the preorders start the next week. Given how much of this edition is supposed to be digital, there's literally nothing stopping them from doing preorders for the Big Box in May, then releasing the physical indices and cards in June alongside of Seraphon.

No, they're saying that the KC open having demo sessions and Q&A sessions and it being the first place US players can experience the edition, shows its not going to be for sale and in public hands.

I'd like you refute that please. Then when you add in that staff have centralised training sessions the first 2 weeks of June apparently and leave has been restricted for the back end of June, can you not perhaps see why people might be taking this as a degree of confirmation?

Regards your mood, if you're not angry that's OK and sorry for assuming, but you don't need to be on the offensive either.

**Daedalus81**

Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

I hope it's real so that GW puts something out today. Otherwise it looks like the information less Kansas City Open article is the article du jour.

**xttz**

There's an Avatar datasheet doing the rounds that looks legit at first glance, but has some strange errors that point more towards it being fake.

Faction keyword should be Asuryani
"Epic Character" should be "Epic hero"
"Fight on Dead" lol

**Eldarsif**

Kanluwen wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

Source?

Got from my friend who got it from the Death Guard FB.

**Asmodai**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

I hope it's real so that GW puts something out today. Otherwise it looks like the information less Kansas City Open article is the article du jour.

They announced in the article yesterday that they'd be doing an article about Oath of Moment today. I guess they're saving it till last since after it's up it'll dominate the conversation over Ossiarch and retro-Bretonnian stuff.

**Daedalus81**

edit - got covered

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

It’s blurry, but the Powerfist seems to be D3. Which is a point more than for Terminators. So I’m gonna say fake.

**Matrindur**

Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

Nothing stands out as obviously fake for now, interesting that all the different melee weapons got combines into just plague weapon and great plague weapon.
Also the ranged weapons look about as jampacked as I expected

**EviscerationPlague**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

It’s blurry, but the Powerfist seems to be D3. Which is a point more than for Terminators. So I’m gonna say fake.

That says D2 for the Fist

**Daedalus81**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

It’s blurry, but the Powerfist seems to be D3. Which is a point more than for Terminators. So I’m gonna say fake.

Looks like a 2 to me, but probably still fake given the sudden appearance of this and the avatar. Give gave the griefers a nice template to copy.

**EviscerationPlague**

Kanluwen wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

I'm not really sure what you're on about.

It's a tournament that has been scheduled for how long?

What's stopping them from having planned it a long time ago and just only announcing it now?

Why did you trim the rest of the post?

Because it wasn't relevant

**Kanluwen**

Dudeface wrote:

No, they're saying that the KC open having demo sessions and Q&A sessions and it being the first place US players can experience the edition, shows its not going to be for sale and in public hands.

Correction:

The smashing new edition of Warhammer 40,000 is getting closer by the day, and attendees at Warhammer Fest 2023 will be the first in the world to get to play it.

Fans in North America are not being left out, however. Attendees at the Kansas City Open just a month later – from the 2nd to the 4th of June – will be able to try this fantastic new game system out for themselves.

Full demo games will run all weekend – anyone can walk up and participate. Our event staff will also present nightly exhibition games you can spectate and ask questions during, featuring the full rules of the new edition in Strike Force* clashes over brand-new missions in both casual and competitive formats.

Got questions about the new edition? We’ll do our best to answer your most incisive queries at Q&A sessions, and you’ll also be able to see loads of incredible new Space Marine and Tyranid miniatures in person, including the <REDACTED>, <REDACTED>, and hotly anticipated <REDACTED>!

They don't say that it's the "first place" for US players. Just that demos will run.

I'd like you refute that please. Then when you add in that staff have centralised training sessions the first 2 weeks of June apparently and leave has been restricted for the back end of June, can you not perhaps see why people might be taking this as a degree of confirmation?

What region is that centralised training for? Is it the same most years?

Kidding, June is usually when they do centralised training here in the US even when there's not a new edition coming. Blackout days aren't just for new editions, but also for major codex launches and other big boxed products.

**Dudeface**

Matrindur wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

Nothing stands out as obviously fake for now, interesting that all the different melee weapons got combines into just plague weapon and great plague weapon.
Also the ranged weapons look about as jampacked as I expected

The trench fighters rule is a barely coherent rules salad that permanently sets their attacks to 1

Because I'm on a mobile and cba chopping up that response @Kan, they mention the first tplace you can play in the UK, then say North America won't miss out. That suggests that there aren't any other demos at this time. It also suggests that they wouldn't be doing demo sessions if the edition was already released.

Its training in the US and I'm not aware of any other large key releases due over summer that might require training days.

You're less likely to get the "dump on Kan" response if you don't aggressively tell people their thoughts and opinions are wrong, instead open engaging questions that allows people to respond regards validity of their stance. Ask if the article gives hints of the date, what supporting evidence there is etc.

**xttz**

Dudeface wrote:
Matrindur wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Plague Marine datasheet in the wild. Might be fake, might be not.

Nothing stands out as obviously fake for now, interesting that all the different melee weapons got combines into just plague weapon and great plague weapon.
Also the ranged weapons look about as jampacked as I expected

The trench fighters rule is a barely coherent rules salad that permanently sets their attacks to 1

One of the keywords says "Bubotic" instead of "Bubonic" too.

**NAVARRO**

Plague marines keywords format does not seem to be in bold so I would say fake.

**Tsagualsa**

Also in the 'Fake' camp, there's a typo in the keywords (Bubotic instead Bubonic), and their trench fighter ability should read 'increased by 1' and not 'increase to 3' if the ability wording is consistent. Also, the way it is worded, the 'once per turn' clause would be unnecessary, as 'increase to 3' would never stack anyway...

**Rihgu**

For everything else wrong with it, Bubotic is correct. It's an existing word in the Death Guard book to refer to weapons.

**Aash**

I also think it looks like a fake. Although not guaranteed, the terminator datasheet gave the impression that power fist aren’t unwieldy any more (admittedly this could be specific to terminators) and the death guard datasheet shows WS 4+ for the Power Fist.

**Tsagualsa**

Rihgu wrote:
For everything else wrong with it, Bubotic is correct. It's an existing word in the Death Guard book to refer to weapons.

Yeah, but the unit keyword is Bubonic Astartes. They could have changed that to Bubotic like for the Bubotic axe, but why?

Also, no overcharge profile on either Plasma Pistol or Plasma Gun, extra-doubtful right away. Especially when they still have 'Gets hot'

**Daedalus81**

Aash wrote:
I also think it looks like a fake. Although not guaranteed, the terminator datasheet gave the impression that power fist aren’t unwieldy any more (admittedly this could be specific to terminators) and the death guard datasheet shows WS 4+ for the Power Fist.

It would just mean terminators ignore unwieldly, as they should, but it does raise questions about what the chainfist would be officially.

**Kanluwen**

Dudeface wrote:

Because I'm on a mobile and cba chopping up that response @Kan, they mention the first place you can play in the UK, then say North America won't miss out. That suggests that there aren't any other demos at this time. It also suggests that they wouldn't be doing demo sessions if the edition was already released.

I literally quoted the article. You're making inferences based upon confirmation bias.

Its training in the US and I'm not aware of any other large key releases due over summer that might require training days.

As I said, training in the US usually happens in June even when there's not a new edition coming. My comment about the blackout days has to do with the other big boxes.

**Aash**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Aash wrote:
I also think it looks like a fake. Although not guaranteed, the terminator datasheet gave the impression that power fist aren’t unwieldy any more (admittedly this could be specific to terminators) and the death guard datasheet shows WS 4+ for the Power Fist.

It would just mean terminators ignore unwieldly, as they should.

I doubt this because the chainfist is still unwieldy, but yes it is possible.

**Kanluwen**

Aash wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Aash wrote:
I also think it looks like a fake. Although not guaranteed, the terminator datasheet gave the impression that power fist aren’t unwieldy any more (admittedly this could be specific to terminators) and the death guard datasheet shows WS 4+ for the Power Fist.

It would just mean terminators ignore unwieldly, as they should.

I doubt this because the chainfist is still unwieldy, but yes it is possible.

Or they wanted Chainfists to retain Unwieldy...

**Dudeface**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dudeface wrote:

Because I'm on a mobile and cba chopping up that response @Kan, they mention the first place you can play in the UK, then say North America won't miss out. That suggests that there aren't any other demos at this time. It also suggests that they wouldn't be doing demo sessions if the edition was already released.

I literally quoted the article. You're making inferences based upon confirmation bias.

Its training in the US and I'm not aware of any other large key releases due over summer that might require training days.

As I said, training in the US usually happens in June even when there's not a new edition coming. My comment about the blackout days has to do with the other big boxes.

Eh whatever, we'll have a moment of reflection afterwards but as it stands I wouldn't be expecting loads of other demo events in the US any time soon.