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drbored wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Plunging fire is idiotic because it only works on ruins. There is other terrain which is also 6" high and not a ruin, fortress of redemption, bastion, voidshield generator, sacristan forgeshrine, and probably more. As a defender its easily turned off by just placing one model on a barrel, or somewhere above ground level. Plunging fire requires all attacked models to be on the ground floor.

GW's mechanicum and imperialis ruins terrain has the 1st level at about 5" tall. In order to get the benefit of Plunging Fire, you'd need to build or stack the terrain two stories up, putting miniatures 10" above the board.

A lot of the other terrain, such as the Nachmund boxy terrain, munitorum containers, etc, don't get that tall, but there are a couple of combinations of terrain and a handful of kits that get up to the 6" mark.

IIRC, 6" was where the previous set of terrain GW made sat, the old imperial ruins.

For the most part, I doubt we'll see many tables at tournaments where Plunging Fire can even be used, but it's an extra little rule for people with old terrain, that like to build things up higher, and other things.

In other words: not something to be upset about.

Pretty much this. I play a lot of ITC games and there are technically two buildings in the entire setup that can fit the 6" height. However, ITC terrain also has a ton of LOS blocking stuff and those two buildings always end up as far corner buildings.

Back home I have a bit more of 6" terrains, but they are all from kits that haven't been sold in 6 years or so. So I am actually curious how many people will actually have access to it.

GW Honestly doesn't have that much terrain to sell, and I'd argue that not many reach the magical 6".

 Eldarsif wrote:

drbored wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Plunging fire is idiotic because it only works on ruins. There is other terrain which is also 6" high and not a ruin, fortress of redemption, bastion, voidshield generator, sacristan forgeshrine, and probably more. As a defender its easily turned off by just placing one model on a barrel, or somewhere above ground level. Plunging fire requires all attacked models to be on the ground floor.

GW's mechanicum and imperialis ruins terrain has the 1st level at about 5" tall. In order to get the benefit of Plunging Fire, you'd need to build or stack the terrain two stories up, putting miniatures 10" above the board.

A lot of the other terrain, such as the Nachmund boxy terrain, munitorum containers, etc, don't get that tall, but there are a couple of combinations of terrain and a handful of kits that get up to the 6" mark.

IIRC, 6" was where the previous set of terrain GW made sat, the old imperial ruins.

For the most part, I doubt we'll see many tables at tournaments where Plunging Fire can even be used, but it's an extra little rule for people with old terrain, that like to build things up higher, and other things.

In other words: not something to be upset about.

Pretty much this. I play a lot of ITC games and there are technically two buildings in the entire setup that can fit the 6" height. However, ITC terrain also has a ton of LOS blocking stuff and those two buildings always end up as far corner buildings.

Back home I have a bit more of 6" terrains, but they are all from kits that haven't been sold in 6 years or so. So I am actually curious how many people will actually have access to it.

GW Honestly doesn't have that much terrain to sell, and I'd argue that not many reach the magical 6".

They create some amazing terrain but it seems to come and go in availability and cost way too much. This might be against some peoples tastes but honest I'd love to see them producing some cheaper cardstock or MDF terrain to put in starter boxes or bundles as deal sweeteners and to help people get the terrain they envisage their rules working with. I know that's a saturated market, but the ability to include them and/or have people tack on a rules supported MDF building for a small amount to top up orders etc might be worth it. A large portion of the customer base plays at communal groups or garage hammer, GW needs to break into giving them accessible table tops of terrain to play on.

Don't let me derail the discussion about a +1 modifier that will hardly ever come up, because even if the terrain is on a board, how many units can make it up there in reasonable time, and then after that even have a positive effect on the flow of battle. Please continue discussing at your leisure. But to have a short interruption:

Looking at the new Combat Patrol for WE. I am thinking that they should have had the rules for the Combat Patrol system in mind when they assembled this box. And if so, then the system will be boring as hell. There is 0 versatility in that box, only run and charge. Even for WE already limited tactics portfolio, this is sad.

This would mean:
Combat patrols will remain the assembled release box "discount". Albeit now with attached rules, for an arbitrary unbalanced game mode. This way you can play something, as similar to the old starter boxes. And after you have played a couples of games, either be upsaled into main 40K or leave the system behind in total. Because 90% of games will be won by comparing the chosen forces before deployment.

Of course, limited information still applies, there is no proof for my suspicion.

I have been unable to locate it, but there was a rumor indicating GW was to sell terrain sets and it took two terrain sets (one from each player, I assume) to set up a tourney table. If true, this new terrain could be designed with Plunging Fire in mind as most modern GW terrain kits don't mesh with the rule.

I wouldnt be surprised if we see new terrain ruins which are 6" high, or has the first floor at 6".

 GiToRaZor wrote:
There is 0 versatility in that box, only run and charge. Even for WE already limited tactics portfolio, this is sad.

I mean you kind of said it yourself but World Eaters should be running and charging, that's their whole thing. What would you replace in that box?

 Sarigar wrote:
I have been unable to locate it, but there was a rumor indicating GW was to sell terrain sets and it took two terrain sets (one from each player, I assume) to set up a tourney table. If true, this new terrain could be designed with Plunging Fire in mind as most modern GW terrain kits don't mesh with the rule.

That rumour was from the 50 page "leak" that has been proven to be more and more false every reveal GW does.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/24/the-hive-mind-unleashes-death-from-above-with-the-winged-tyranid-prime/

Winged Prime.

No indication yet when the next substantive articles will be.

wrong thread

New Winged Prime is okeish. Need to see full 3D.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
New Winged Prime is okeish. Need to see full 3D.

There's the usual video with the rotate around the model on WHC:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/24/the-hive-mind-unleashes-death-from-above-with-the-winged-tyranid-prime/

 p5freak wrote:
I wouldnt be surprised if we see new terrain ruins which are 6" high, or has the first floor at 6".

Would still need people to buy it to use it.

Almost all the people I know are using standard TTCombat terrain which tends to max out at 3-4" for most buildings.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
New Winged Prime is okeish. Need to see full 3D.

There's the usual video with the rotate around the model on WHC:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/24/the-hive-mind-unleashes-death-from-above-with-the-winged-tyranid-prime/

Yeah, I meant one like in GW shop so I could rotate it as I wish, without pausing etc. with a video

Ah, yea. Fair enough.

 p5freak wrote:
Plunging fire is idiotic because it only works on ruins. There is other terrain which is also 6" high and not a ruin, fortress of redemption, bastion, voidshield generator, sacristan forgeshrine, and probably more. As a defender its easily turned off by just placing one model on a barrel, or somewhere above ground level. Plunging fire requires all attacked models to be on the ground floor.

the rule shouldnt be tied to specific terain, it should simply be : "If the base of the model firing is at least 6" above the target unit's base, you get +1 AP"



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 Shadow Walker wrote:
New Winged Prime is okeish. Need to see full 3D.

its such a meh pose IMO, i wish we got the "come at me" pose from the cinematic instead.

Although i can appreciate that this pose will make it easier to transport/move around on the tabletop

I like the new Prime's pose because almost every winged creature GW sculpts has the exact same pose (wings/arms outstretched), so this one is at least unique.

 DO IT TO IT wrote:
I like the new Prime's pose because almost every winged creature GW sculpts has the exact same pose (wings/arms outstretched), so this one is at least unique.

Its basically the vargheist wings, though neither of the prime's wings outright look like they're on backwards. Though the vargheists also have a better shoulder join.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


Although i can appreciate that this pose will make it easier to transport/move around on the tabletop

Agreed.

Added to the OP:

Edit 04/26/2023

New video with predictions for WarhammerFest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGEkCjRLt4

- Warhammer 40k preview will probably something more than the starter box
- Trusted source again confirms 24th June as release date, with 10th of June as the start of the preorder window
- Potentially sneak peeks at the first codexes at the event
- New Terminator Chaplain
- 4-5 new units for Space Marines
- Also 'most' of the Tyranid refresh
- Still speculating about a possible HH:Epic reveal tied to the HH reveal on Sunday (apply salt as needed)
- Just waffling about The Old World, no real idea what is going to get revealed
- He was told that 'by the end of the year something big was coming, something huge, that would shake the foundations' with no more information (duh)
- Trusted source says Bretonia vs. Tomb Kings for starter box
- Kill Team: Restating Ashes of Faith as a box name
- Eldar vs. SM Scouts in some form is another rumour he heard
- He thinks Terminators vs. Genestealers is a strangly absent 'classical' pairing that would make sense just now

Am I misremembering or did they do a sneak peek video at the end of the9th edition reveal for future factions - think it was Orks/DE/Mechanicus/Sisters? Hoping for something like that at the end of the stream.

 silverstu wrote:
Am I misremembering or did they do a sneak peek video at the end of the9th edition reveal for future factions - think it was Orks/DE/Mechanicus/Sisters? Hoping for something like that at the end of the stream.

I think the first few factions got a little silhouette reel, it may have been the event after though or the launch event, I forget.

I think there was something like that but I felt like it was a "lockdown special" long term sneak peek, not something I'd count on being repeated now that live events etc. are a regular thing again.

An article with old lore today. So I guess we need to wait until Saturday for anything new.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 04/26/2023

New video with predictions for WarhammerFest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGEkCjRLt4

- He was told that 'by the end of the year something big was coming, something huge, that would shake the foundations' with no more information (duh)

Another big thing to shake the foundations of the setting, right after or alongside the current big new Tyranid War to shake the foundations of the setting, which was right after the big thing of the Lion that shook the foundations, which was after all those other campaign books and big characters showing up that shook the foundations of the setting, all the way back to the Great Rift/Dark Imperium stuff being a huge shakeup to the foundations of the 40k setting....great....

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 04/26/2023

New video with predictions for WarhammerFest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGEkCjRLt4

- He was told that 'by the end of the year something big was coming, something huge, that would shake the foundations' with no more information (duh)

Another big thing to shake the foundations of the setting, right after or alongside the current big new Tyranid War to shake the foundations of the setting, which was right after the big thing of the Lion that shook the foundations, which was after all those other campaign books and big characters showing up that shook the foundations of the setting, all the way back to the Great Rift/Dark Imperium stuff being a huge shakeup to the foundations of the 40k setting....great....

Not watched it but there's no context in the summary to the game or setting in question. I took it to mean old world from the summary.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 04/26/2023

New video with predictions for WarhammerFest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGEkCjRLt4

- He was told that 'by the end of the year something big was coming, something huge, that would shake the foundations' with no more information (duh)

Another big thing to shake the foundations of the setting, right after or alongside the current big new Tyranid War to shake the foundations of the setting, which was right after the big thing of the Lion that shook the foundations, which was after all those other campaign books and big characters showing up that shook the foundations of the setting, all the way back to the Great Rift/Dark Imperium stuff being a huge shakeup to the foundations of the 40k setting....great....

Not watched it but there's no context in the summary to the game or setting in question. I took it to mean old world from the summary.

Ah yeah, you're right. Only read the summary and missed that.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 04/26/2023

New video with predictions for WarhammerFest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGEkCjRLt4

- He was told that 'by the end of the year something big was coming, something huge, that would shake the foundations' with no more information (duh)

Another big thing to shake the foundations of the setting, right after or alongside the current big new Tyranid War to shake the foundations of the setting, which was right after the big thing of the Lion that shook the foundations, which was after all those other campaign books and big characters showing up that shook the foundations of the setting, all the way back to the Great Rift/Dark Imperium stuff being a huge shakeup to the foundations of the 40k setting....great....

Not watched it but there's no context in the summary to the game or setting in question. I took it to mean old world from the summary.

Ah yeah, you're right. Only read the summary and missed that.

Well, it's in the Old World section of the video, so i assume it is about that - you don't always know with Valrak. I'd not put too much into it, literally anything for TOW is 'shaking the foundations', that game has been dead for almost a decade now. And seeing how GW sells any wet fart as the greatest thing since sliced bread, that omnious announcement could mean almost anything.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
An article with old lore today. So I guess we need to wait until Saturday for anything new.

Yea...I'm hoping we get a ton of info from the demos. I wonder if they've showcased most of the major changes and now we just have a long drawn out wait or if they'll at least feed us faction articles like with 8th.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
An article with old lore today. So I guess we need to wait until Saturday for anything new.

Yea...I'm hoping we get a ton of info from the demos. I wonder if they've showcased most of the major changes and now we just have a long drawn out wait or if they'll at least feed us faction articles like with 8th.

They said they would be covering factions in May in one of their previous articles

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 04/26/2023

New video with predictions for WarhammerFest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGEkCjRLt4

- He was told that 'by the end of the year something big was coming, something huge, that would shake the foundations' with no more information (duh)

Another big thing to shake the foundations of the setting, right after or alongside the current big new Tyranid War to shake the foundations of the setting, which was right after the big thing of the Lion that shook the foundations, which was after all those other campaign books and big characters showing up that shook the foundations of the setting, all the way back to the Great Rift/Dark Imperium stuff being a huge shakeup to the foundations of the 40k setting....great....

Not watched it but there's no context in the summary to the game or setting in question. I took it to mean old world from the summary.

Ah yeah, you're right. Only read the summary and missed that.

Well, it's in the Old World section of the video, so i assume it is about that - you don't always know with Valrak. I'd not put too much into it, literally anything for TOW is 'shaking the foundations', that game has been dead for almost a decade now. And seeing how GW sells any wet fart as the greatest thing since sliced bread, that omnious announcement could mean almost anything.

What if it's something as simple as new Gargants? Like a remodel of the Mancrusher?