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I was expecting them to be the counterpart of Thousands Sons, turns out they are the counterpart of GSC with all that teleporting.

IMHO surprisingly fits, my local GK players love teleporting around.

Well. Ok then.
Teleporting and 2+ saves

Finally a weapon that feels like the 4+ WS is there for a reason- the big hammer on the babywalker is a pure upgrade otherwise.

[Psychic] on psycannons and psilencers feels like a detriment. And psilencers look dubious. GK look like they need higher strength/AP/damage weapons, not just more shots.

This article has reminded me how badly GK need new models. Purgation ones look like a chibi figures

Voss wrote:
Well. Ok then.
Teleporting and 2+ saves

Finally a weapon that feels like the 4+ WS is there for a reason- the big hammer on the babywalker is a pure upgrade otherwise.

[Psychic] on psycannons and psilencers feels like a detriment. And psilencers look dubious. GK look like they need higher strength/AP/damage weapons, not just more shots.

I highly suspect that there is a least one [Leader] character that tacks stuff onto [Psychic] weapons, probably more via powers or Stratagems. Dealing out keyworded bonuses willy-nilly seems a thing this time around - and high numbers of shots are always valuable in that paradigm because they give you more triggers. At least GW seems to think that.

The 2+ is to simulate being smaller and thus harder to hit

 Shadow Walker wrote:
This article have reminded me how badly GK need new models.

The proportions, man, the proportions:



That looks like a skinny fashion model with a gourd on their head juggling with anvils and sledgehammers

The image of land raiders teleporting around is amusing

So we have Deldar, GSC, something for SM supplements, and possibly Imperial Agents left?

2+ save is weird, might be a typo? (we've seen a few of those already)


(nvm, the fluff text confirms its on purpose, sheeeeesh thats gonna be strong)

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So we have Deldar, GSC, something for SM supplements, and possibly Imperial Agents left?

Pretty much, and it's not entirely clear Agents will get their own preview, we just assumed because they get a card deck. I guess they could also do a general overview of what's going to happen with all the Imperial Armour stuff and Legends to pad out the week if they wanted to.

Don't forget the breadboxes duct-taped to their left arm!

On the upside, its a single weekend's release to redo the whole faction.

I suspect we will see it next year. (or spring 2025)

I highly suspect that there is a least one [Leader] character that tacks stuff onto [Psychic] weapons, probably more via powers or Stratagems.

Yeah, I figure there's a ranged counterpart to the melee strat.

Purifying flame needs help, too. Sure you wound infantry on 2+, but... that's about it.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
2+ save is weird, might be a typo? (we've seen a few of those already)

We've seen things that some people want to be typos. But no, this is specifically called out in the article.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
2+ save is weird, might be a typo? (we've seen a few of those already)

“Grey Knights have also become tougher and more elite, as befits their reputation and tactics, with many units gaining an improvement to their Save characteristic – often to 2+! ''

So this rule uses discrete unit amounts for 4 sizes of game, whereas others are points-based with 3 sizes of game.

The inconsistency is so frustrating.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
2+ save is weird, might be a typo? (we've seen a few of those already)

It's mentioned in the text of the article as well, so I doubt it. I think they're getting upgraded to artificer armour, at least for the elites.

Voss wrote:

We've seen things that some people want to be typos. But no, this is specifically called out in the article.

yeah, just spotted it

(and i was referring to the sisters of silence swords having a BS instead of WS)

Tsagualsa wrote:
The proportions, man, the proportions:

The transition from metal to plastic caused their heads and Storm Bolters to grow. It's kinda weird.

Weirder still is a GK Grand Master who just has one psychic power, and always the same psychic power.

I also find it strange that Nemesis Force Swords, Nemesis Force Halberds, Nemesis Daemon Hammers, Nemesis Falchions, and Nemesis Matt Warding Staves are all the same thing. On the brightside, they're not called Nemesis DOOOOOOMfists again...

Hopefully after faction focuses are over they will get us the unrevealed so far stats for Leviathan units. I want to see ones for Psychophage.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
The proportions, man, the proportions:

The transition from metal to plastic caused their heads and Storm Bolters to grow. It's kinda weird.

Weirder still is a GK Grand Master who just has one psychic power, and always the same psychic power.

I also find it strange that Nemesis Force Swords, Nemesis Force Halberds, Nemesis Daemon Hammers, Nemesis Falchions, and Nemesis Matt Warding Staves are all the same thing. On the brightside, they're not called Nemesis DOOOOOOMfists again...

Consolidation: not just for chaos anymore.

Though I suspect hammers will be still be around for characters and a few units.

Voss wrote:
Consolidation: not just for chaos anymore.

You'd at least thing that Falchions would be the same but with Twin-Linked or something? Or maybe it's because this is a Purgation Squad, and they don't have the options?

Voss wrote:
Though I suspect hammers will be still be around for characters and a few units.

That's probably correct.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:
Well. Ok then.
Teleporting and 2+ saves

Finally a weapon that feels like the 4+ WS is there for a reason- the big hammer on the babywalker is a pure upgrade otherwise.

[Psychic] on psycannons and psilencers feels like a detriment. And psilencers look dubious. GK look like they need higher strength/AP/damage weapons, not just more shots.

I highly suspect that there is a least one [Leader] character that tacks stuff onto [Psychic] weapons, probably more via powers or Stratagems. Dealing out keyworded bonuses willy-nilly seems a thing this time around - and high numbers of shots are always valuable in that paradigm because they give you more triggers. At least GW seems to think that.

Well there's already devastating wound for melee. Wouldn't surprise same for guns.

I can't be the only one who thinks the emphasis on teleportation as an army-defining rule is a bit odd. The specific detachment is a Teleport Strike Force, for which this rule works wonderfully well, but presumably there will be other GK detachments that don't have such an emphasis on teleportation, and yet this rule will remain?

I'm not saying that GKs shouldn't have teleportation rules - they're GKs; of course they should! - but they should be native to the units in question, not a blanket rule that allows for oddities like teleporting Land Raiders.

It just screams "Flanderisation". GKs once had an emphasis on teleporting elite Terminators, that was transferred to regular Power Armour Squads with Teleport Attack Squads, who eventually morphed into teleport-jump pack troops, to teleporting Dreadknights, to emergency teleporting shunt units... to teleporting Land Raiders. It's nearly Space Wolves levels of conceptual drift.

Query: Do we know yet what the Psychic ability actually does?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't be the only one who thinks the emphasis on teleportation as an army-defining rule is a bit odd. The specific detachment is a Teleport Strike Force, for which this rule works wonderfully well, but presumably there will be other GK detachments that don't have such an emphasis on teleportation, and yet this rule will remain?

I'm not saying that GKs shouldn't have teleportation rules - they're GKs; of course they should! - but they should be native to the units in question, not a blanket rule that allows for oddities like teleporting Land Raiders.

It just screams "Flanderisation". GKs once had an emphasis on teleporting elite Terminators, that was transferred to regular Power Armour Squads with Teleport Attack Squads, who eventually morphed into teleport-jump pack troops, to teleporting Dreadknights, to emergency teleporting shunt units... to teleporting Land Raiders. It's nearly Space Wolves levels of conceptual drift.

Query: Do we know yet what the Psychic ability actually does?

We do not know yet that the Land Raiders do have this rule - in the Custodes preview, we did see units that are (presumably) part of a Faction, but do not get the Faction rule, so the Land Raiders could be excluded as well.

Where's Karol? Karol so what do you think? I don't play grey knight but from an outside observer I think they look pretty good. Movment is super strong and 2+ saves all around looks tough in particular with ap droping all around. I like seeing that they are changing profili around for space marines so they can be a little difrent from each other.

Honestly makes me wonder why death guard wasent just given an extra wound to represent the abundance of sickly flesh but ya from a non grey knight player this looks pretty good for a teaser.

Boosykes wrote:
Where's Karol? Karol so what do you think? I don't play grey knight but from an outside observer I think they look pretty good. Movment is super strong and 2+ saves all around looks tough in particular with ap droping all around. I like seeing that they are changing profili around for space marines so they can be a little difrent from each other.

Honestly makes me wonder why death guard wasent just given an extra wound to represent the abundance of sickly flesh but ya from a non grey knight player this looks pretty good for a teaser.

probably gonna bitch that theres no difference between termis and regular dudes anymore or something

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Query: Do we know yet what the Psychic ability actually does?

From the leaked rules:

Being able to swap flanks, drop on any objective every turn seems incredibly strong.

(People complained about the GSC redeploy strat when I used it.)

Plus they get gain Fly when they auto advance 6”…

All on super heavy infantry.

As some that loves fast, manoeuvreable armies, this seems a tad over tuned.

So the psychic ability doesn't really do anything.

Total War Warhammer has this odd issue where some things get 'Flaming Attacks', but flaming attacks don't really do anything beyond what regular attacks do. It's not extra damage, it's just an attack which is "Flaming".

Units with regeneration are vulnerable to Flaming attacks as it negates their regeneration, however there are far more things in the game with varying levels of flame resistance than there are with regeneration. Thus, in effect, flaming attacks are more of a detriment than a boon, as in most cases they make the enemy less vulnerable to your attacks.

So far all "Psychic" seems to do is give certain units a better chance of avoiding it.

 Souleater wrote:
...this seems a tad over tuned.

I'm guessing they will be pretty expensive in points if they get these cool abilities?

 Trickstick wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
...this seems a tad over tuned.

I'm guessing they will be pretty expensive in points if they get these cool abilities?

It will also be auto-correcting because that Deep Strike stuff needs you to set up at least 9'' from your enemy, and Advancing (to teleport) prevents you from shooting and charging. If you overuse these, you are very mobile, but you don't actually do much, while your enemy walks around the table and shrinks the zones where you can set up again.

Well, I never would have guessed this to be the GK army mechanic. Can't really evaluate it that well until we see the full picture.