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Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

Probably AWOL on a bender with the Neurogaunt Nodebeast after they drank a couple of Phospex canisters.

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

The Thunderfire Cannon is a odd unit. It consist of 2 models, but the second model is destroyed when the first one dies due to the Crewed Artillery rule. Therefore, the unit has only 6 wounds, not 12 as expected. However, there are a bunch of oddities due to having two models: Fights with Close Combat Weapon for both models; has to take into account both models when moving, shooting, and fighting; has to take into account both models individually for LOS and unit LOS.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

Probably AWOL on a bender with the Neurogaunt Nodebeast after they drank a couple of Phospex canisters.

My read of that was both the gun and the gunner have the same statline, but there is the rule that once one of them dies, the unit is removed.

Seemed odd, but workable.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

Probably AWOL on a bender with the Neurogaunt Nodebeast after they drank a couple of Phospex canisters.

Last time they were seen with a Trygon Prime.

I have to see if my order will get delivered have two chances.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

 AduroT wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

I imagine allocation was probably based on past sales history and not just a 'every store gets x' concept.

 AduroT wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

He's in Australia, might be different allocations there.




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 Dawnbringer wrote:


I imagine allocation was probably based on past sales history and just a 'every store gets x' concept.

That's possible too.

Comic companies do it all the time, your store can order as many copies of an issue as they'd like but you can only get the special incentive cover if you've bought at least XXX issues of some other book.

 alextroy wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

The Thunderfire Cannon is a odd unit. It consist of 2 models, but the second model is destroyed when the first one dies due to the Crewed Artillery rule. Therefore, the unit has only 6 wounds, not 12 as expected. However, there are a bunch of oddities due to having two models: Fights with Close Combat Weapon for both models; has to take into account both models when moving, shooting, and fighting; has to take into account both models individually for LOS and unit LOS.

Yeah, it also has a total OC of four until it dies, is immune to normal battleshock tests (it’s dead the moment it would start taking them) and probably other oddities too.

Now I wonder if the other field artillery-type units will be treated similarly.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:



*and just like that I realized that I'm so out of touch with 40k lore since Rowboat Guilliman returned that I don't even know if those Termi dudes are "Firstborn" or Primaris

That's the newest addition to the lore, their are both. The new Terminators are explicitly a mix of firstborn and primaris

Got to be uncomfortable for one of them. Either armour head too short or tall.

Terminator suits, in the lore, have always been a bit of a "custom fit" job.

tneva82 wrote:

Got to be uncomfortable for one of them. Either armour head too short or tall.

Cawl discovered an ancient and lost technology called elastic

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Got to be uncomfortable for one of them. Either armour head too short or tall.

Cawl discovered an ancient and lost technology called elastic

He just reintroduced all the spandex, leotards and hairspray last seen in artwork in the OG Rogue Trader book

I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

That might be a while. We have easy to build starter termis, but GW would have to replace...

Terminators and Assault Terminators (assume they'll become one kit), Blood Angel Termis, GK Termis, Deathwing, Wolf Guard

We might be waiting well into 11th edition.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

That might be a while. We have easy to build starter termis, but GW would have to replace...

Terminators and Assault Terminators (assume they'll become one kit), Blood Angel Termis, GK Termis, Deathwing, Wolf Guard

We might be waiting well into 11th edition.

Full kit can easily be this fall with the general codex.

Deathwing termis have to be done (for DW Knights and because they previewed the DW command squad), but there really isn't much of a reason to do separate BA and WG terminator kits. Just throw the decorative bits and bobs on an updated chapter sprue to accompany the relevant codex (even better if the termi bits are compatible with gravis armor). The DA release is relative soon on the release map, so this problem seems functionally solved by Spring.

GK at this point are unrelated enough that its a separate model range (at least for non-tanks). I'd hope they update them, but that's true of everything GK at this point.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

That might be a while. We have easy to build starter termis, but GW would have to replace...

Terminators and Assault Terminators (assume they'll become one kit), Blood Angel Termis, GK Termis, Deathwing, Wolf Guard

We might be waiting well into 11th edition.

It's annoying, because I was going to buy some GK Terminators. I'd rather not now if there might be better ones just around the corner, but then again it might be years

New GK Terminators are definitely not going to be 'right around the corner'.

I expect Termies to get a proper kit within months, simply because they're such a massive update over the older kits.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
New GK Terminators are definitely not going to be 'right around the corner'.

True. Summer 2024 at the earliest.

Standard terminators are likely in Autumn, and Deathwing Knights/Command Squad in Spring.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
New GK Terminators are definitely not going to be 'right around the corner'.

Noting the upscaling of Crowe, and that two kits does the majority of the Grey Knight range I wouldn't be surprised if they are redone this edition. But also, unsurprised if not.

 AduroT wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

That is in Australia.

Some combo online/bricks and mortar stores may get more but pure brick and mortar stores get allocated up to the low 40s maxiumum.

Last edition 40K another store pre-sold over 100 and then was only allocated somewhere in the 30s which was the maximum for that launch. Very embarrassing.

This might have been asked before, but the redemptor dreadnoughts has reduce damage by 1, but does not declare it can't go below 1. So does that mean it basically ignores all damage 1 weapons?

 Eldarsif wrote:
This might have been asked before, but the redemptor dreadnoughts has reduce damage by 1, but does not declare it can't go below 1. So does that mean it basically ignores all damage 1 weapons?

Unless FAQ'd at some point, yes. I can't see a rule against reducing damage to 0.

I completely expect there is a rule, in an glossary not included in the Core Rules PDF, preventing any characteristic from being reduced below 1.

I'm sure it's not at all concerning that the Leviathan box is "No Longer Available Online" instead of "Temporarily Out Of Stock Online". Not that I was planning on getting one anyway.

 alextroy wrote:
I completely expect there is a rule, in an glossary not included in the Core Rules PDF, preventing any characteristic from being reduced below 1.

But you can definitely reduce oc below 1.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
I'm sure it's not at all concerning that the Leviathan box is "No Longer Available Online" instead of "Temporarily Out Of Stock Online". Not that I was planning on getting one anyway.

It was always going to be a one and done boxed set.
Of course there is typically stock for physical sale at most GW stores and the 2nd hand market will be healthy for a while.

We'll also likely see 3 new starter sets with bits of Leviathan within it and a good chance of another Partworks magazine which will be Imperial VS Tyranids (most likely).


So there's ample time and ways to get the models, the rules and even find some discounts if you're willing to wait or hunt around a bit.


GW doing a made-to-order of Indomitus was somewhat exceptional because the whole situation was exceptional .

 Trickstick wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I completely expect there is a rule, in an glossary not included in the Core Rules PDF, preventing any characteristic from being reduced below 1.

But you can definitely reduce oc below 1.

That is true. So the question is can any other characteristic be reduced to 0? Will be interesting to see what the put in the rules.