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All those spikes make it hard to stick their head out.

All in all i like the datasheets.
Sure, there is a 110% chance for broken stuff in there and there are errors.
But attempts were made!

Thousand Sons feels as lovingly written as were Blood Angels. ( See how they gave Sanguinary Guard and Jumppack Death Company different roles, even though they are both fast melee elite units? LOVE)
Absolutely like the direction they take.

Other factions seem more... Chaotic. Some datasheets a bit bland. Some of my personal fav units got boring. Ah well, Happens all the time...
But just look at that defiler rule: i can finally move it around! Even when there is terrain!

Any sane person should have expected a huge overhaul like this to be riddled with issues.
And it is.
But at least PDFs can be changed. And jit printing just the few sheets you actually play should be easy for most of us ( bit of a warning though: do NOT buy the physical datasheets xD)

 kodos wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
TFGs existing isnt a good reason to do/not do something IMO, they'll always exist anyway

and the first thing we are going to see is tournaments not allowing any self printed rules at all

i don't care about those, the tournaments i organise will allow printed stuff


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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So if you bought the Tide of Spawn box back in the day you can just go get fethed? Or is there something I'm missing?

I guess? No more than people who bought X number of Hive Tyrants before the Rule of 3 showed up. Anyway, I concede. This discussion won't get anyone anywhere.

and i don't think fething over people that bought a box 16 years ago is such a big deal honestly.

I know right? I mean what did you expect? That you would actually be able to use the models you paid money for? HA-HA! That was like over a year ago! Now go buy something new pleeb!

How many spawns came in that box ? i can't tell from the pixelated images i get from google.
How often did you run all of them?
And it wasnt released 1 year ago but 16... some people that play the game are younger than that...

Honestly if I was running a tournament I'd fork out to get the datacards printed and laminated myself, completely eliminates the problem, you know the cards are legit (you can even mark them with the name/logo of the tournament) and if lists are pre-registered then you know in advance exactly what everyone needs anyway

I don't think people will actually go to the trouble of cheating via datacards though. People will absolutely make their own in the styles they like, but verifying the correct stats is so trivially easy I don't think cheating will be anything more than a couple of TFG anecdotes

CoALabaer wrote:

But just look at that defiler rule: i can finally move it around! Even when there is terrain!

I'm also quite happy my giant crab can scuttle over other units. But I also would have been happy if that was just a core rule for large models, instead of a datasheet rule.

CoALabaer wrote:
Thousand Sons feels as lovingly written as were Blood Angels

My big gripe is that they totally missed the opportunity to make Ahriman on disc something interesting like they did with Daemon Princes and the wing split.

But at least PDFs can be changed. And jit printing just the few sheets you actually play should be easy for most of us ( bit of a warning though: do NOT buy the physical datasheets xD)

Yea I just wish they'd go the extra mile on proofreading. At least we don't have to pay for this version.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

CoALabaer wrote:
Thousand Sons feels as lovingly written as were Blood Angels

My big gripe is that they totally missed the opportunity to make Ahriman on disc something interesting like they did with Daemon Princes and the wing split.

But at least PDFs can be changed. And jit printing just the few sheets you actually play should be easy for most of us ( bit of a warning though: do NOT buy the physical datasheets xD)

Yea I just wish they'd go the extra mile on proofreading. At least we don't have to pay for this version.

Ahriman's the only named Character that can be on foot and mounted, right? Talking about the whole game, not only TS

 Daedalus81 wrote:

CoALabaer wrote:
Thousand Sons feels as lovingly written as were Blood Angels

My big gripe is that they totally missed the opportunity to make Ahriman on disc something interesting like they did with Daemon Princes and the wing split.

But at least PDFs can be changed. And jit printing just the few sheets you actually play should be easy for most of us ( bit of a warning though: do NOT buy the physical datasheets xD)

Yea I just wish they'd go the extra mile on proofreading. At least we don't have to pay for this version.

The first round of physical cards will almost certainly be this version (or an older one, sadly enough) as they already exist, so some poor fools will pay for it.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

CoALabaer wrote:
Thousand Sons feels as lovingly written as were Blood Angels

My big gripe is that they totally missed the opportunity to make Ahriman on disc something interesting like they did with Daemon Princes and the wing split.

But at least PDFs can be changed. And jit printing just the few sheets you actually play should be easy for most of us ( bit of a warning though: do NOT buy the physical datasheets xD)

Yea I just wish they'd go the extra mile on proofreading. At least we don't have to pay for this version.

Ahriman's the only named Character that can be on foot and mounted, right? Talking about the whole game, not only TS

How about Logan Claws? Isn;t he both?

Aye, Logan has on sleigh and off sleigh forms.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
No Firing Deck on the Chaos Rhino either, and it appears they have transposed Vashtorr's sweep and normal attack on the datasheet.

It's not on the WE or 1k Sons version either . Hopefully a typo, but could be intentional, the beleaguered warbands can't maintain the firing decks anymore

The DG do have firing decks.
But that might just be holes from rusting

 Mr Morden wrote:

How about Logan Claws? Isn;t he both?

As a true member of the 15th legion, i do not waste my time reading about the 6th :p

But yeah, doesnt he stay the same (apart from movement, HP and what squad he joins?)

Since TS don't have Power armored cavalry, Ahzek just gets fethed (shame, i just started working on a cool disk conversion for him)

 Mr Morden wrote:
How about Logan Claws? Isn;t he both?

Yea his sheets are mostly the same, but the mounted version doubles his wounds and gives extra attacks. Not that I think Ahriman should get that, but just something a little more interesting.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

How about Logan Claws? Isn;t he both?

As a true member of the 15th legion, i do not waste my time reading about the 6th :p

But yeah, doesnt he stay the same (apart from movement, HP and what squad he joins?)

Since TS don't have Power armored cavalry, Ahzek just gets fethed (shame, i just started working on a cool disk conversion for him)

Well remains to be seen how expensive that wound is.

Also wgije not most useful extra movement can be useful.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
How about Logan Claws? Isn;t he both?

Yea his sheets are mostly the same, but the mounted version doubles his wounds and gives extra attacks. Not that I think Ahriman should get that, but just something a little more interesting.

Well just a movement boost would represent it fine so it should be just a equipment option...like alot of mounts used to be.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Well just a movement boost would represent it fine so it should be just a equipment option...like alot of mounts used to be.

He has that, but it's only useful for when the unit is dead, which is really situational.

Ok, late to the party. Let's look at the CSM Index......

Raptors and Warp Talons look ok (but still no Lightning Claws for the Raptor Champion ). Cool that you can do a full Cultists/Renegade Guard/Beastmen army.

Ok, done with the positives. Don't have time for all of the negatives. I'm going to go figure out what I need to build some Inductii. You guys have fun with "this"........

I'll be using Traitor Guardmen for special weapons I guess. Can they ride a Rhino LOL

EviscerationPlague wrote:
I'll be using Traitor Guardmen for special weapons I guess. Can they ride a Rhino LOL

They're going to be great backline objective holders. Give 'em three sniper rifles and ruin all the Leaders' days.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So if you bought the Tide of Spawn box back in the day you can just go get fethed? Or is there something I'm missing?

I guess? No more than people who bought X number of Hive Tyrants before the Rule of 3 showed up. Anyway, I concede. This discussion won't get anyone anywhere.

and i don't think fething over people that bought a box 16 years ago is such a big deal honestly.

I know right? I mean what did you expect? That you would actually be able to use the models you paid money for? HA-HA! That was like over a year ago! Now go buy something new pleeb!

How many spawns came in that box ? i can't tell from the pixelated images i get from google.
How often did you run all of them?
And it wasnt released 1 year ago but 16... some people that play the game are younger than that...

GW: Hey, you! Yes, you! Do you like Chaos Spawn? Well then do we have just the set for you! It's called Tide of Spawn and it comes with 10 (count em, 10!) Chaos Spawn! Order now while supplies last!

Also GW: What? You bought 10 Chaos Spawn?? Why would you do such a thing? The box only comes with 2! That was rather foolish of you, now wasn't it? By the way, can I interest you in a Combat Patrol? You can never have too many Tzaangors after all!

Well aren't I a fraggin eegit for having a unit of FIVE spawn.

Should'a seen that one coming, eh!

Tide of Spawn was a specific Apocalypse formation and not meant for normal games of 40k in the first place.

as was the Baneblade and Imperial Knights

 kodos wrote:
as was the Baneblade and Imperial Knights

Baneblades, yes, but Knights were released with a full standard 40K Codex.

Rules for extremely large vehicles have been in 40k since the very first book.

Charax wrote:
Honestly if I was running a tournament I'd fork out to get the datacards printed and laminated myself, completely eliminates the problem, you know the cards are legit (you can even mark them with the name/logo of the tournament) and if lists are pre-registered then you know in advance exactly what everyone needs anyway

I don't think people will actually go to the trouble of cheating via datacards though. People will absolutely make their own in the styles they like, but verifying the correct stats is so trivially easy I don't think cheating will be anything more than a couple of TFG anecdotes

Risky thing to cheat with edited datacards. As all someone needs to do is compare the online indexes or a GW bought copy from another player. Show that to the TO and boom, forfeit.

GW gave us the free indexes for a reason, may as well make good use of them. Maaaaybe I'll pick up a copy when the codexes come out, especially since as an ork player a set will get released with 10th and invalidated/replaced half a year later with the codex release.

I will say, while I like the identity of CSM I'm having a lot more trouble theorycrafting lists for them than space marines.

 cole1114 wrote:
I will say, while I like the identity of CSM I'm having a lot more trouble theorycrafting lists for them than space marines.

i'm not even bothering with it until we get points

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I will say, while I like the identity of CSM I'm having a lot more trouble theorycrafting lists for them than space marines.

i'm not even bothering with it until we get points

It doesn't hurt to at least see what units synergize with others though. Thar way once the points drop, you know what units to "price" first.
Also Marks and Enhancements are probably free, so it's good to see what units might benefit most from certain ones

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'Tomorrow brings the rest of the Imperium, with the Xenos factions and the first Munitorum Field Manual (which contains all the points) of the new edition arriving later in the week.'

So today we should get Imperial Knights, Astra Militarum, Mechanicus, Custodes, Sororitas, Inquisition/Agents.

By the end of the week we get points too. Not long to go now. Can't wait for points really as that's what is needed to make lists and figure things out.

When they say 'first munitorum field manual' does that imply there will be more than one?